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Germany "temporarily" suspends Schengen. Follow the news re border checks

Germany "temporarily" suspends Schengen. Follow the news re border checks

Sep 13th, 2015, 08:24 AM
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Germany "temporarily" suspends Schengen. Follow the news re border checks

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-34239674

There is no word yet as to how border control will now operate in German, especially along some its southern borders, and it may be that other countries will soon follow suit in opting out of the Schengen treaty for some unknown period of time. If nothing else, expect longer lines at passport control entering and exiting airports, and on trains -- and there is now disrupted train service in several parts of Europe.

So watch the news.
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Sep 13th, 2015, 09:20 AM
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Frankly, most of the countries have been doing sporadic border checks for months now. This is totally permitted by the Schengen treaty, so nobody is "opting out."
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Sep 13th, 2015, 09:26 AM
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Border/ passport control will be on the land border, only, and between Germany and Austria, only.
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Sep 13th, 2015, 10:12 AM
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Beyond the migrant issue, we never liked the Schengen treaty and never found passport controls to be onerous. Schengen should be abandoned.
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Sep 13th, 2015, 11:32 AM
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Hey, if Schengen is abandoned, the 90 day stay in those countries will go out the window, too. Yes !!!
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Sep 13th, 2015, 12:39 PM
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"Frankly" -- what you read on the internet travel forums is mostly foolish. These are not "informal" breeches of Schengen, where dark-skinned, North Africans are singled out at French borders. This is a major disruption to travel and will cause delays and headaches at certain border crossings that did not exist before.

Again, if you have real travel plans in affected areas, you should follow the news.

Personally, I grieve at the loss of open borders and don't imagine that once the Schengen treaty is abandoned something nicer will take its place.
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Sep 13th, 2015, 12:55 PM
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Well, believe me, the border controls were easy before Schengen. I don't remember any major delays. Then again, there are many more tourists nowadays.
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Sep 13th, 2015, 01:07 PM
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Sandralist, there is no breach at all of the Schengen rules.

Sometimes the reasons are not what you might expect:

Estonia has provided information that due to the visit of US President Barack Obama that the country will host from August 31 to September 3 2014, border control will be reintroduced at the Estonian internal borders during this period. Border checks might be carried out at all border crossing roads and railway connections and at ports and airports. Border control will be limited to strictly necessary measures in order to ensure public policy and safeguard internal security.

Every country in the Schengen zone can use border controls for temporary specific reasons. Naturally, they are clearly announced in advance, which is exactly what Germany did in this case.
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Sep 13th, 2015, 01:07 PM
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"Thomas de Maizière, the German interior minister, announced that while Austria was the focus of the new border controls, all of Germany’s borders would be affected. As the EU’s biggest country straddling the union’s geographical centre, Germany is the lynchpin of the Schengen system. It borders nine countries. Without Germany’s participation, Schengen faces collapse."

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...chengen-system

"Analysts predicted the halting of trains would prompt more desperate scenes on the Austrian-German border, as tens of thousands of refugees try to enter Germany by any means possible."

http://www.voanews.com/content/germa...n/2962171.html
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Sep 13th, 2015, 01:27 PM
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sandralist, never trust the Guardian. They don't have all the info, it seems. The minister of the interior in Saxony, for example, said that there will be no border controls between Saxony (which is part of Germany) and Czech Republic resp. Poland.
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Sep 13th, 2015, 02:50 PM
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It is being reported on CNN in the United States of America that there is no train service between Austria and Germany at this time.

This was reported on Headline News at 5PM EST.

The New York Times is running this as its lead story @NewYorkTimes.com

Thin, Guardian reader
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Sep 13th, 2015, 03:03 PM
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The BBC also says trains between Germany and Austria suspended for 12 hours (until 3 am tomorrow):
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-34239674

It looks as if at present it's just the border with Austria which is being monitored.
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