French pronunciation: Place des Vosges
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French pronunciation: Place des Vosges
I alway READ it and SEE it, but I've never heard it SAID. So to SAY it, it's "Ploss-dai __________"? Thanks for your help! (Please, don't work too hard on the finer points of "Ploss-dai", okay?)
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I don't know the origin of that word, but it has kept its old spelling and in modern spelling would be "Vôge" which you would probably know how to pronounce. You do see it spelled with a circonflex rather with the original "s" in some geographic matters in its region around Alsace. You probably know a circonflex represents a lost "s"; a "g" is always pronounced that way before an "e". I don't think there is a circonflex with there is an "s", it's one or the other.
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Christina added that "it's one or the other", an 's' OR a circonflex.<BR>Vosges or Vôges<BR>but the latter is hardly used.<BR>That is how f.ex. "vostre" became "vôtre", hostel hôtel, hospital hôpital, etc..
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Ira,<BR>The accent circonflexe is the little hat.It has nothing to do with the pronounciation of the vocal, but in fact it is an apostrophe you have to write on a vocal when the letter s is left out of the word (f.i.ethymologicly).<BR>example: être (= to be) comes from the Latin word esse (the s is gone in the French word). <BR> Il est (with s), but vous êtes (without s) <BR> frais (fresh)--> fraîche<BR><BR>And the little sign you have under the letter e is a "cédille". You write it when the c is pronounced as an s and when it precedes an "a", "o" or "u", like in français, garçon, reçu.<BR><BR>You pronounce Vosges "Vau"je (with the French "je" and without the English "w" sound at the end of Vau)<BR>
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When I went to school it was spelt "circumflex", but maybe something's changed. Jim, I think "place" should be pronounced more like "plahss" than "ploss" but I'm open to correction there.
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..as to the etiology of the name...it was the Place Royale..post revolution the "county" (departement) which was the first to pay its taxes was the Vosges and hence the name...or so ive been told..