food budget family of 5
Oct 12th, 2011, 10:36 AM
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I'm trying to get a handle on how much my family's trip to Italy will cost. My family consists of me, my husband, and three kids ages 8, 11, and 13. We will be in Italy for 2 weeks in June traveling to Rome, Florence (or Siena - haven't made a final decision yet) and Venice. About how much should we expect to spend on food? We'll be staying at hotels with breakfast included, so we'll be at restaurants for lunch and dinner. As for the type of restaurant, nothing too fancy but still good. I don't drink, so we'll save on wine. My husband does, but he'll just get a glass of the house wine - no bottles for us.
Oct 12th, 2011, 10:49 AM
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<< I don't drink, so we'll save on wine >>
Your comment sounds like you think you'll save money if you don't drink wine. If you're planning on drinking soft drinks you'll spend more money than if you drank wine.
You can save money by getting pizza slices or panini at bars and either stand up at the counter or take the food away and find someplace to sit down and eat. It costs more to sit at a table and more yet to sit at a table outside.
You can also save money by renting an apartment rather than staying in hotels. You can buy food, snacks, drinks at supermarkets and eat more cheaply and just have a few nice dinners in restaurants.
Your comment sounds like you think you'll save money if you don't drink wine. If you're planning on drinking soft drinks you'll spend more money than if you drank wine.
You can save money by getting pizza slices or panini at bars and either stand up at the counter or take the food away and find someplace to sit down and eat. It costs more to sit at a table and more yet to sit at a table outside.
You can also save money by renting an apartment rather than staying in hotels. You can buy food, snacks, drinks at supermarkets and eat more cheaply and just have a few nice dinners in restaurants.
Oct 12th, 2011, 11:04 AM
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Wine is one of the bargains at Italian restaurants. When we go to casual trattorias, we just split a carafe of wine and get tap water which is often cheaper than ordering two soft drinks or mineral water which are likely to be in expensive bottles.
Also your trip report indicates you have been to some of these places 4 yrs ago, so you should be familiar with the range of dining options available. Add perhaps 30-40% to get the current price estimate.
Take out types are the cheapest.
Also your trip report indicates you have been to some of these places 4 yrs ago, so you should be familiar with the range of dining options available. Add perhaps 30-40% to get the current price estimate.
Take out types are the cheapest.
Oct 12th, 2011, 11:04 AM
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Lunch is easy. Think about 10 euross per person average.
Pizza is everywhere, far more than ten or fifteen years ago, and some of it is good. Stay away from the places that have cooked pizza in a case that they heat in a microwave. Look for some form of the words "forno" (oven) aand "legno" (wood-fired). It is thin crust pizza, and there are usually twenty or thirty selections, but usually not more than two ingredients, not stuff like double meat triple cheese veggie supreme.
Sandwiches, which go by a variety of names (you thought subs, grinders, and hoagies were confusing!) are everywhere and usually good, but again, they have far less meat than we are used to on a sandwich. If you sit down at an outdoor cafe and see someone eating something interesting, ask the waiter what they are having.
You can also go to a "tavola calda", a place with cooked hot dishes on display, sort of like a cafeteria, and order what you want to eat in or often take out.
Salads are often a very good deal for lunch and are usually substantial.
Drinks are expensive, except for wine. Your husband should indulge because his wine is likely to cost less than a coke. Try to kill your thirst before the meal with bottled water from a grocery and split a big bottle of water or two at lunch to get the food down. Plain tap water with ice is not generally served. You pay.
Dinner is harder because many places do not open until 7:30, late for a lot of Americans, especially kids. Unless you go for pizza and a salad again, not a bad idea, it will cost at least 20 euros per adult, maybe less for the kids but there is no tax or tip on top of that, so that is net.
Menus will list three courses and desserts, and most Italians would probably have two of those four. You can order pasta and dessert or salad. There are three kinds of salad, verde or just greens, mixed greens and vegetables, and composed salads, which add meat and are the expensive salads on the menu. You cold order a substantial appetizer like cozze or mussels and a salad, or you could have a salad and a main course. Most courses, except oddly enough pasta, are quite large. Pasta has a lot less sauce on it than in an American restaurant. Vegetables usually have to be ordered separately (contorni). If you order a steak, you get a steak. No potatoes, no broccoli.
Gelato is the best dessert of all, so I wouldn't spend a lot of time thinking about dessert in a restaurant or cafe.
This isn't the quick answer you were looking for, but it is the way things more or less were a couple of weeks ago when we were there.
Pizza is everywhere, far more than ten or fifteen years ago, and some of it is good. Stay away from the places that have cooked pizza in a case that they heat in a microwave. Look for some form of the words "forno" (oven) aand "legno" (wood-fired). It is thin crust pizza, and there are usually twenty or thirty selections, but usually not more than two ingredients, not stuff like double meat triple cheese veggie supreme.
Sandwiches, which go by a variety of names (you thought subs, grinders, and hoagies were confusing!) are everywhere and usually good, but again, they have far less meat than we are used to on a sandwich. If you sit down at an outdoor cafe and see someone eating something interesting, ask the waiter what they are having.
You can also go to a "tavola calda", a place with cooked hot dishes on display, sort of like a cafeteria, and order what you want to eat in or often take out.
Salads are often a very good deal for lunch and are usually substantial.
Drinks are expensive, except for wine. Your husband should indulge because his wine is likely to cost less than a coke. Try to kill your thirst before the meal with bottled water from a grocery and split a big bottle of water or two at lunch to get the food down. Plain tap water with ice is not generally served. You pay.
Dinner is harder because many places do not open until 7:30, late for a lot of Americans, especially kids. Unless you go for pizza and a salad again, not a bad idea, it will cost at least 20 euros per adult, maybe less for the kids but there is no tax or tip on top of that, so that is net.
Menus will list three courses and desserts, and most Italians would probably have two of those four. You can order pasta and dessert or salad. There are three kinds of salad, verde or just greens, mixed greens and vegetables, and composed salads, which add meat and are the expensive salads on the menu. You cold order a substantial appetizer like cozze or mussels and a salad, or you could have a salad and a main course. Most courses, except oddly enough pasta, are quite large. Pasta has a lot less sauce on it than in an American restaurant. Vegetables usually have to be ordered separately (contorni). If you order a steak, you get a steak. No potatoes, no broccoli.
Gelato is the best dessert of all, so I wouldn't spend a lot of time thinking about dessert in a restaurant or cafe.
This isn't the quick answer you were looking for, but it is the way things more or less were a couple of weeks ago when we were there.
Oct 12th, 2011, 11:06 AM
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You're typically paying a cover charge and a bread charge (per person which can be several euro each). Wine can be cheaper to drink than other things. Water is bottled and not free. For five people, you will at least need a couple of bottles every meal (it will be hot so everyone will be thirsty).
While walking around, everyone can carry a bottle of water and refill it at the hundreds of fountains you see. I
While walking around, everyone can carry a bottle of water and refill it at the hundreds of fountains you see. I
Oct 12th, 2011, 12:28 PM
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<< As for the type of restaurant, nothing too fancy but still good. >>
That statement is meaningless. It's generally hard to find a bad meal in Italy.
I agree that the notion of "saving on wine" is misbegotten. Last time I was in Italy, I had to have my diet Coke every day during the day and that ritual became known as getting my $2 Coke (3000 lire then at 1500/dollar). This was in 1996. The house grape juice was usually far less.
Once upon a time, there were the tavola calda, the trattoria and the ristorante. For more information, see if this helps:
http://www.globalgourmet.com/destina...#axzz1abKoBNng
That statement is meaningless. It's generally hard to find a bad meal in Italy.
I agree that the notion of "saving on wine" is misbegotten. Last time I was in Italy, I had to have my diet Coke every day during the day and that ritual became known as getting my $2 Coke (3000 lire then at 1500/dollar). This was in 1996. The house grape juice was usually far less.
Once upon a time, there were the tavola calda, the trattoria and the ristorante. For more information, see if this helps:
http://www.globalgourmet.com/destina...#axzz1abKoBNng
Oct 12th, 2011, 01:53 PM
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Thanks for the suggestions. Let me clarify my comment about "saving" on wine. If my husband were traveling with someone who drank wine, he would want a bottle far more expensive than the water I will be drinking and the glass of house wine he will be drinking. Also, by nothing too fancy I meant not a Michelin starred restaurant or one most people would consider for a splurge meal - about 300 euros for 2 people.
Oct 12th, 2011, 05:03 PM
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With 3 kids you need to be careful about soft drinks. They are very expensive versus the US and come in teeny little cans I think about 6 ounces. If your kids are used to large size soft drinks -or refillable cups - you need to get them used to drinking water instead. Otherwise you can easily spend $40 a day or more for soft drinks.
I find sandwich shops a better choice than pizza places - how much pizza can you eat? Just don;t over order - the sandwiches are much smaller than in the US (as are all portions) but may be enough for kids.
As for dinner - you can get meals at a host of price ranges - and except for Venice (where you have t be careful) we have found italian restaurants to be unfailingly good (assuming you avoid the ones right near tourist attractions, that have menus in 14 languages or with pictures). The latter are rourist traps and generally high prices and poor food.
I find sandwich shops a better choice than pizza places - how much pizza can you eat? Just don;t over order - the sandwiches are much smaller than in the US (as are all portions) but may be enough for kids.
As for dinner - you can get meals at a host of price ranges - and except for Venice (where you have t be careful) we have found italian restaurants to be unfailingly good (assuming you avoid the ones right near tourist attractions, that have menus in 14 languages or with pictures). The latter are rourist traps and generally high prices and poor food.
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14 days x 5 people= 70 "man" days
Gelato fix 2x daily= 140 gelato fixes
2 scoops per fix = 280 gelato scoops
1 euro per scoop = 280 euros
Exchange rate assumption of 1.5= $420
Plus free breakfast
Plus free water
I think you can budget $450 total and be in good shape!
Seriously, though, I think you could budget 15 euro per person per meal and make it ok, particularly if the youngest eat lightly, you eat big at breakfast, eat cheap for lunch and you are somewhat creative/flexible. A safer "modest" budget is probably 25 euro per person. In each case, I'm assuming adults use up some of the younger childrens' budgets.
Gelato fix 2x daily= 140 gelato fixes
2 scoops per fix = 280 gelato scoops
1 euro per scoop = 280 euros
Exchange rate assumption of 1.5= $420
Plus free breakfast
Plus free water
I think you can budget $450 total and be in good shape!
Seriously, though, I think you could budget 15 euro per person per meal and make it ok, particularly if the youngest eat lightly, you eat big at breakfast, eat cheap for lunch and you are somewhat creative/flexible. A safer "modest" budget is probably 25 euro per person. In each case, I'm assuming adults use up some of the younger childrens' budgets.
