First trip to europe with mom

Old Mar 11th, 2023, 01:45 PM
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Originally Posted by cs_adri
If you're going to spend so much time in Florence, make sure you visit the Cinque Terre for at least a day.
While in Venice, check out Burano.
This itinerary is not exhausting, you will have plenty of time to do everything. At most, public transport is tiring, I don't like it in Europe. I prefer the car.
I usually do not outright disagree so directly with anyone, but must.
It will be Summer and the CT will be mobbed. It is not a great day trip from Florence at any time, but in Summer with a Senior traveler, no. Don’t think about it. There is enough great stuff to do near Florence.

While the itinerary may not be exhausting, it certainly is not leisurely. I consider both Paris and Venice rushed. There is no time to add anything! The OP has only one (1) full day in Venice. I love Burano, but unless they give up a day someplace else, they likely can’t do it.

Possibly:
They should fly from Paris to Venice early in the day. With getting to the airport, flights and getting to their Venice hotel, they will have a late afternoon and evening in Venice, just to walk around and have dinner. If they can do early sightseeing the next morning (perhaps a guided walking tour), they could perhaps head to Burano that afternoon. The next day, they could do a morning of specific sightseeing and go to Florence very late afternoon, in time for short walk and dinner. All rushed, but doable.

They do not have “so much time” in Florence. One day is a tour to Pisa and other places, leaving two (2) full days in Florence. Because Florence is so crowded and muggy in Summer, I might actually consider another day trip, but there is a lot to see in Florence if it interests them. I might consider keeping that day in Florence, but departing early evening for Rome. At any rate, No to CT. It would be easier to add Orvieto from Rome if they want to see a different place.

Traffic in Summer in Italy can be miserable. Also, except for perhaps a bit of countryside in Tuscany, the OP is going to cities. Renting a car to mostly pay to park, to deal with restrictive zones, etc. is not wise. The train goes from city center in Venice to city center in Florence and the drive between would be long and boring. The train is comfortable and relaxing.

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Old Mar 11th, 2023, 01:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Sassafrass
I usually do not outright disagree so directly with anyone, but must.
It will be Summer and the CT will be mobbed. It is not a great day trip from Florence at any time, but in Summer with a Senior traveler, no. Donít think about it. There is enough great stuff to do near Florence.

While the itinerary is not exhausting, it certainly is not leisurely. There is no time to add anything.

Traffic in Summer in Italy can be miserable. Also, except for perhaps a bit of countryside in Tuscany, the OP is going to cities. Renting a car to mostly pay to park, to deal with restrictive zones, etc. not wise. The train goes from city center in Venice to city center in Florence and the drive between would be long and boring. The train is comfortable and relaxing.

Absolutely 100% ditto to everything you say ^^^

I was going to post something similar -- but likely less 'kind' but you beat me to it.

A day trip tp the C T is a naff idea, and in the middle of summer even worse.
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I must have written something very bad that you reacted like that.
First of all, Europe does not have "CT" and "AC" and so on. In Europe, we like to say things by their proper name.
Second: questioner, if you get bored in Florence after that long time, there's always Plan B, which I gave you some ideas for.
Florence is a forgettable city with a few minor attractions. What is really outstanding in Italy are the Dolomites, Venice, Cinque Terre, Rome and the Amalfi Coast. I would plan with these in my itinerary, although it's not easy to do these by train only. Perhaps even group bus trips might help.
I might add, despite the criticisms, that I travel to Italy 8-10 times a year and visit 15-16 countries a year. I am not a beginner so I do not tolerate the above style.
Oh, and to the critics: in summer, not only in Italy, but all over Europe, everything is full of people. There are crowds everywhere, even in the forest near the city. So if you don't like crowds, travel in the off-season.
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In Europe, we like to say things by their proper name.
Nonsense, there is nothing wrong with abbreviations.

Florence is a forgettable city with a few minor attractions
I have not been to Florence because its particular attractions are not high on my list and I would probably benefit from a guide, but I am aware that most visitors to Italy rate Florence much more highly than I do. To suggest that Michelangelo's David and the Uffizi gallery are "minor" is ridiculous.

What is really outstanding in Italy are the Dolomites, Venice, Cinque Terre, Rome and the Amalfi Coast. I would plan with these in my itinerary, although it's not easy to do these by train only.
It is true that you would need to supplement trains with buses in the Dolomites and the AC, but it is absolutely not true that you have to have a car. A car would be a nuisance in all of those places.

The OP should consult seat61.com for information on trains in Europe in general and Italy in particular. https://www.seat61.com/train-travel-in-italy.htm
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The OP has also not posted in this thread in four weeks. Unless the plans have changed, the trip was slated for April - I'd presume the itinerary has been set. Let's allow the OP to return if he or she needs additional input for this trip.
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Originally Posted by cs_adri
I must have written something very bad that you reacted like that.

Oh, and to the critics: in summer, not only in Italy, but all over Europe, everything is full of people. There are crowds everywhere, even in the forest near the city. So if you don't like crowds, travel in the off-season.
In Europe, It's easy enough to get away from the crowds in summer. Just don't go where EVERYONE is going. Aside from a few spots, I have never had a problem with crowds in provincial France and most places I've been in the summer. For example, crowding in Florence is intense, but not Siena. Even in Paris you can do it. Crowding at the Louvre, sure, but not so much the Centre Pompidou.
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