First time travelling to Europe.
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<<You obviously are moving in the wrong circles of Brits - no Brit you know probably says they go to Blackpool either though zillions of them do - ditto for Tussauds - one of the top sights in the U K for Brits, like it or not.>>
If it was remotely true I wouldn't like it. But it really isn't.
If it was remotely true I wouldn't like it. But it really isn't.
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#24
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OPs have not mention their interests, then still people suggest one place upon an other. Maybe they are keen on Ancient civilizations, Greek taverns and water sports. I do not see why they should keep Amsterdam and drop Greece in that case or whatever...
I think OPs should come back and comment further on specifics before making further suggestions.
I think OPs should come back and comment further on specifics before making further suggestions.
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Mariha
The majority on this forum thinks that Greece should be visited in a single trip, without being combined with any other country...
Whenever threads with multiple countries appear that also include Greece, the first advice is always to skip Greece...
Also when people are wanting to visit Italy and Greece , or Turkey and Greece, they are usually being told to focus on either Italy or Turkey and save Greece for another trip.
All i can think of is that there is a lack of information on Greece, and people mostly associate it with the islands and the summer.
The majority on this forum thinks that Greece should be visited in a single trip, without being combined with any other country...
Whenever threads with multiple countries appear that also include Greece, the first advice is always to skip Greece...
Also when people are wanting to visit Italy and Greece , or Turkey and Greece, they are usually being told to focus on either Italy or Turkey and save Greece for another trip.
All i can think of is that there is a lack of information on Greece, and people mostly associate it with the islands and the summer.
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Mariha has a good point: the fact that Jessica is tentatively planning half her trip in Italy and Greece indicates to me that southern Europe is a priority. Glibly suggesting she drop Greece without knowing her interests is unhelpful.
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Heimdalll - had the OP said that she just wanted to visit Italy and Greece I'd agree with you, but there are a lot of other places on the list as well, with which Greece just doesn't fit so well.
I by no means discount it, in fact I have a friend who goes every year and has even travelled by ferry from Italy to Greece, so I know that they can be combined, but it's going to be a stretch to get everything else AND Greece into the same trip.
I by no means discount it, in fact I have a friend who goes every year and has even travelled by ferry from Italy to Greece, so I know that they can be combined, but it's going to be a stretch to get everything else AND Greece into the same trip.
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Actually the ferry from Bari through the Corinth Canal is a wonderful trip--if you have a lot of time.
I agree with Annhig--the itinerary is far north and far south and not enough time to do it particularly well. I asked a similar question about why the various places were chosen--it is fine and great--it's her trip--but unless there are some reasons, it may need some paring.
I agree with Annhig--the itinerary is far north and far south and not enough time to do it particularly well. I asked a similar question about why the various places were chosen--it is fine and great--it's her trip--but unless there are some reasons, it may need some paring.
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Greece fits pretty well with Italy, in fact (2 hrs flying time between Rome and Athens). Perhaps there are some northern destinations that could be dropped, but that's not for us to say. For goodness sake, everyone is trying to change her itinerary without even knowing her interests! ;-)
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I would spend the entire 29 days in Madame Tussauds and the hell with everybody else.
After slogging through years of these boards, people who ask for the bests, must-dos, are excited about their trip and will not know what they wanted to see until they are headed home.
There are many seasoned travelers here and that is why they recommend expanding the time Paris and shortening or eliminating Greece.
Jessica86 was probably born in 1986 which means she will return to Europe again and again whether she sees Greece or not. And as a first timer she does not realize that you will overwhlemed once you get to any of those places by the sights, sounds, and differences.
You can get lost in France, England, and Italy for a month each and never regret it. So I would eliminate something and savor what you are seeing.
After slogging through years of these boards, people who ask for the bests, must-dos, are excited about their trip and will not know what they wanted to see until they are headed home.
There are many seasoned travelers here and that is why they recommend expanding the time Paris and shortening or eliminating Greece.
Jessica86 was probably born in 1986 which means she will return to Europe again and again whether she sees Greece or not. And as a first timer she does not realize that you will overwhlemed once you get to any of those places by the sights, sounds, and differences.
You can get lost in France, England, and Italy for a month each and never regret it. So I would eliminate something and savor what you are seeing.
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lol, clauser! ;-)
Here is one "seasoned traveller" who finds going between London and Athens almost routine. It's about 3½ hours flying time, only a few minutes longer than a flight to Rome.
Rather than playing detective, let's wait for Jessica to come back and tell us what her interests are, and why she included those destinations in her original post. Whatever her reasons, she allocated more time to Greece than any other destination save Italy. Perhaps she wants to see Santorini, spend some time island-hopping, or take in a few ancient sites on the mainland. If her interests don't coincide with what Greece has to offer I will be happy to recommend going somewhere else.
Here is one "seasoned traveller" who finds going between London and Athens almost routine. It's about 3½ hours flying time, only a few minutes longer than a flight to Rome.
Rather than playing detective, let's wait for Jessica to come back and tell us what her interests are, and why she included those destinations in her original post. Whatever her reasons, she allocated more time to Greece than any other destination save Italy. Perhaps she wants to see Santorini, spend some time island-hopping, or take in a few ancient sites on the mainland. If her interests don't coincide with what Greece has to offer I will be happy to recommend going somewhere else.
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Sure, I'm OK with that. If she wants to cut London and Amsterdam but keep Greece and Italy, that would work too.
I don't think people are trying to 2nd guess her interests, rather just trying to smooth out her timeline for a better overall experience.
I don't think people are trying to 2nd guess her interests, rather just trying to smooth out her timeline for a better overall experience.
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Here is one "seasoned traveller" who finds going between London and Athens almost routine. It's about 3½ hours flying time, only a few minutes longer than a flight to Rome.>>
but you don't go via Paris, Amsterdam, Berlin, and an unspecified number of places in Italy, do you?
but you don't go via Paris, Amsterdam, Berlin, and an unspecified number of places in Italy, do you?
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If you fly in Europe, the distance isn't relevant for anything but the price (and even for this there are so many deals available that a distance-price relationship isn't simple).
Checking in and out of a hotel, getting to and from an airport and checking into the flight plus the very common delays are the most important factors. Whether you fly one or three hours isn't that important in comparison.
So if someone wants to fly from Berlin to Greece is in my opinion no big difference from wanting to fly to Munich.
Checking in and out of a hotel, getting to and from an airport and checking into the flight plus the very common delays are the most important factors. Whether you fly one or three hours isn't that important in comparison.
So if someone wants to fly from Berlin to Greece is in my opinion no big difference from wanting to fly to Munich.
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That's right, annhig, but if I were travelling from Rome to Athens the trip would be even shorter. Actually I think jessica86's itinerary looks pretty good for a four week trip. I have covered more territory than that in two weeks by car. 
Anytime someone tags a post with five different countries, everyone jumps in with their own preferences. Yes, I will admit that after travelling to every continent more than once, my favourite destination is Greece. I have made every effort to be impartial, only suggesting that we wait until the OP makes her interests known before telling her what to include and what to omit.

Anytime someone tags a post with five different countries, everyone jumps in with their own preferences. Yes, I will admit that after travelling to every continent more than once, my favourite destination is Greece. I have made every effort to be impartial, only suggesting that we wait until the OP makes her interests known before telling her what to include and what to omit.

