Europe in winter

Apr 13th, 2007, 09:34 AM
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have you looked into airlines like ryanair or easy jet? When we went to europe we flew from london stanstead to germany(bavaria) for like $20.00 american each way. it may help you get from one place to the next faster!
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Apr 13th, 2007, 10:03 AM
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hi, susi, welcome to fodors and europe.

Here's some prelim ideas.

allow yourselves at least one extra day in your first destination to allow for jet-lag.

given you are aussies, starting in London makes sense. stay 5 nights.

Eurostar to paris - another 5 nights.

Train to munich - how about going skiing? 5 nights

train to rome - 5 nights

Go home.

you could go to more places, travel more, see less!

regards, ann
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Apr 13th, 2007, 10:03 AM
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Traveled in December and January several times and for the most part the weather ranged from the 40's to the 60's. Right around Christmas in '04 it snowed in Paris but briefly. Last January in Rome it was in the 50's and 60's. Take layered clothing and be prepared for everything in between.
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Apr 13th, 2007, 10:29 AM
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English soccer is great and I'd try for Man U, Chelsea or Arsenal, but don't count out games in Italy. Serie A -- the top league there -- is fabulous and more fun to watch, especially if you visit San Siro in Milan, a true temple of the game.

Plus, given the months you're traveling, sitting in the stands is likely to be much more pleasant in Italy (and the food will be better).
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Apr 13th, 2007, 01:55 PM
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Re the football tickets - it's very hard to get to see Premiership games (unless you want to pay a tout a small fortune). Teams like Man U and Arsenal almost never have spare seats these days. The one exception is when extra games are unexpectedly scheduled, such as FA Cup replays in the evenings - then you might have a shot - so keep an eye on the papers for results/fixtures.
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Apr 14th, 2007, 06:14 AM
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hi, again,susi,

Re football matches, as you're likely to be in London, it makes sense to look at london clubs. Forget Arsenal, chelsea, spurs. You might try fulham or charlton, or even reading. or what about a rugby match?

regards, ann
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Apr 14th, 2007, 09:57 AM
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The football matches for 2007-2008 won't be fixed for a while yet. As of this writing it isn't even known which teams will be playing in the various divisions, as every year the bottom clubs are relegated, and replaced by the top clubs from lower divisions. Look for next season's fixture list sometime this summer.
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Apr 14th, 2007, 11:43 AM
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Somehow a think the most attractive names in the sport that a vistor would want to catch -- Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal and AC Milan won't have to worry about relegation ...

As for matches "being fixed" -- in the U.S. context of the word that would involve Juventus, I guess ....
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Apr 14th, 2007, 11:44 AM
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Somehow I think the most attractive names in the sport that a vistor would want to catch -- Man U, Chelsea, Arsenal and AC Milan won't have to worry about relegation ...

As for matches "being fixed" -- in the U.S. context of the word that would involve Juventus, I guess ....
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Apr 14th, 2007, 11:45 AM
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awww, apologies for the double post -- especially on a smart alec version....
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Apr 14th, 2007, 12:22 PM
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Living up to your handle repete? I almost added that Man U etc won't be relegated, but why state the obvious? Nevertheless, the match schedule can't be finalized (is that better?) until it is known which teams will compete against each other. BTW, those of us with long memories can recall when Man U was briefly in the old Second Division.
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Apr 14th, 2007, 12:55 PM
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To get an idea how much daylight you'll have, I pulled up this calendar for Glasgow in December: tinyurl.com/352qwg

You can adjust the display for other cities and dates.
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Apr 14th, 2007, 02:39 PM
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Heimdall,
I seem to be ... I hate it when that happens.

I just got a chuckle when I read "fixed" which, of course, was the perfectly correct term in areas where the sport is called by its real name.

It rang ever more true because I was able to attend a Serie A game last year when one of the major offenders was involved. BTW, Stadio dell Alpi was a very disappointing venue -- reminded me of a lot of 1970s cookie-cutter baseball/football venues in the U.S.

My post was not to nitpick, but given the wide spectrum of football/soccer knowledge for none-Europeans on the board (from nothing to a fair bit) I was just trying to add a little more info.
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Apr 14th, 2007, 11:35 PM
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Repete, I am an American who has lived in England too long, apparently. Now I remember how strange terms like 'match fixture' sounded to me all those years ago. I still have an American accent, but use the terms 'lorry' instead of 'truck', 'petrol' instead of 'gas', and many more. And yes, 'soccer' has become'football' to me.
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Apr 15th, 2007, 06:28 AM
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Thanks all for your advice - especially on football - although in Oz we call our national game football, or colloquially "Aussie Rules" or just plain "footy" and "the round ball game" is generally known as soccer - despite a concerted effort to have it recognised as football here! Whatever it's called, I hope we manage a ticket. We have taken several overseas visitors to Aussie Rules matches - they generally have no idea of what is happening but seem to enjoy the spectacle just the same, especially when played before a capacity crowd at the MCG in Melbourne - well worth it if you're ever in Melbourne in our winter!
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Apr 15th, 2007, 06:52 AM
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In continuing, the the "nation's separated by a common language" theme, I'm sure seasidesusi would get a kick out of it if I asked what teams her son would "root" for.

I remember the Aussies chucking at the Sydney Games, when they played "Take me Out to the Ballgame" and they said "root, root, root for the home team" ....
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Apr 15th, 2007, 08:55 AM
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Yep, it still gets a laugh here when we hear it used referring to supporting a team or whatever! When it comes to sporting contests we don't r (nup, can't even say or type the word!!! Not something a nice girl would say!) ... we BARRACK! (I remember a visiting Irish footballer, GAA player, who was in Oz to play the hybrid game, visited my house (with my mother and m-in-law present)and was under strict instructions from me not to use the profanity (in the presence of the grannies)which so readily seemed to come to his (and it seems many other Irishmen's lips - maybe just the sporting types??) albeit quite innocently and seemingly without a second thought! He did very well, curbed his language, then quite innocently at the end of the evening thanked me for my hospitality and said it was ...... (expletive) grand! The oldies laughed when they saw how mortified he looked when he instantly realised what he had said! We're not really wowsers but the language barrier can catch you unawares!
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Apr 15th, 2007, 10:23 AM
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I'm from Amsterdam. If there's any funny english in this post, ignore it. That's just me being Dutch.

It's not a bad time to visit Europe!

Snow in december is rare (can't even remember the last white xmas). Winter really begins in february. We had snow in march this year, december was mild.
December is a good month for citytrips to mediterranean cities like Rome, Barcelona, Venice, Lissabon, Dubrovnik and Athens. In London expect some rain. Berlin has a more continental climate. Most German cities are great to visit at Christmas time (Christmas markets, big trees, etc.)

Consider a short stay in Amsterdam!
The Netherlands is #1 at soccer (Johan Cruijff! Ruud Gullit! Marco van Basten!)
Best soccer-club in the world is Ajax (http://english.ajax.nl/web/show/id=49331). And if the Berlin Wall is on your list, so is the Anne Frank House. Btw, they took down the Berlin Wall! Do you know that?

Bath and Munich are ok cities, but are strange choices to me when you come all the way from Australia. Prague (one of the most beautiful historical cities of Europe) is even closer to Berlin than Munich. Or go to Dubrovnik. It's the most beautiful city in the world.
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