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Old Jun 12th, 2005 | 09:29 AM
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Should 'dog tags' be an international travel requirement? No names or addresses but an identification number to ensure privacy. There may be another 9-11. Comments?
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Old Jun 12th, 2005 | 09:32 AM
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Want to hear about an interesting Dog Tag?
Pup got his new dog tags in 2001 and the number is 911. We kept them.

I like the idea of a gps kind of chip under the skin. No one can lose or steal one of those.
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Old Jun 12th, 2005 | 09:38 AM
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Scarlett, I think GSteed is talking about Dog Tags for humans (not canines).

All my pups have a micro-chip. No GPS feature, but like the idea that humane societies and vets can find the info that will give me a call. Also like that medical labs will not accept dogs with chips.

Now, if we are talking about chips for humans that's a bit too Big Brother for me!
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Old Jun 12th, 2005 | 09:40 AM
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Thanks, I know what he is talking about.
And I think the idea of humans getting a chip is a good one too.
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Old Jun 12th, 2005 | 09:48 AM
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Ve used to do that in the Old Days. The technology vas different. Ve had to use tattooing, but the idea is the same.

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Old Jun 12th, 2005 | 09:59 AM
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I've already got tags for my dogs. Frankly, I just don't trust 'em and Dog only knows what they'd get up to if they started traveling internationally.
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Old Jun 12th, 2005 | 10:07 AM
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Oh God, ira.

Children are kidnapped and if someone could find them with a chip locater ( you can see my tech speech is lacking) I think it would be a good thing..case in point- the girl in Aruba. They would have known where she was immediately.
They have our info on our passports etc, but those can be seperated from us..
I do like the idea of being able to locate someone when there has been a terrible event, as in those poor people waiting and wondering where their family members were who went to work that day in the World Trade Center.
Our friend was there. When the first plane hit, he left the bldg , he kept walking because he could not get cell phone connection.
All the while his wife, friends and family were wondering where he was.
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Old Jun 12th, 2005 | 10:19 AM
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A GPS transponder isn't the same as a RFID wafer. I doubt that girl in Aruba would have been instantly found unless she was wearing a transponder - much too large for human implantation.

To the original question, I wouldn't be opposed to a DNA/biometric database for everyone.
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Old Jun 12th, 2005 | 10:52 AM
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I agree with Ira. Himmler would've loved the idea of subcutaneous e-tags. Not nearly as messy as branding and much more efficient.
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Old Jun 12th, 2005 | 11:31 AM
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If I'm following Ira and platzmans' logic here, it seems they're saying that any method that has been used for nefarious purposes in history would have no basis for an updated application in the present day??
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Old Jun 12th, 2005 | 11:51 AM
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My dear Holmes,

Consider a State in which everyone had an implanted chip which could be used to access all information about that person.

The State would be able to know where you were and what you were doing at all times. There would be no need for secret police spies and informants.

Why make it easy for them?



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Old Jun 12th, 2005 | 11:59 AM
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Gee, just think of the abundance of work you would save all of us family law attorney's. Think your spouse is cheating on you? Just file an action and use the discovery process to find out exactly where your spouse and the alleged paramour were at all times. Way to easy. I don't think anybody would like this idea if they really thought about the consequences of having this information available to subpoena at any time. We can already find out everything you have purchased at the local Piggly Wiggly by sending a subpoena for the records during a lawsuit. Comes in very handy when someone is claiming they don't drink but I can proove the 12 pack of Bud they purchase every night after work. Just how much information do you really want out there about your personal life? If you ask me the risk of not being found is a lot less frightening than the thought that anybody can find out exactly where you are every minute of every day.
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Old Jun 12th, 2005 | 12:22 PM
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Sorry, it's not clear to me how having a RFID implant, giving a iris scan, DNA sample or biometric handprint will enable "Big Brother" to watch my every move. We're talking identification - not tracking. RFIDs give off low radio frequencies that can be read from a meter or two. Typically, the information containted - for humans - would be name, address, medical alerts, emergency contacts.

FYI, the government in Britain has a DNA database and over 4.2 million CCTV cameras watching the populace. Works fine.


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Old Jun 12th, 2005 | 12:28 PM
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<i>Should 'dog tags' be an international travel requirement? No names or addresses but an identification number to ensure privacy.</i>

I was answering this question. I was unaware that DNA or such was a part of a dog tag..like soldiers wear? I am too ignorant of all these facts to even discuss it ..
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Old Jun 12th, 2005 | 12:47 PM
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I think I'll pass.
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Old Jun 12th, 2005 | 03:28 PM
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Ira ,my very thoughts ,If I see george Orwell's name appear I will definitely run for cover.There has been alot of chatter on talk shows over the years about these devices.The bad guys would just remove them from there victims!
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Old Jun 12th, 2005 | 05:52 PM
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I even hate cell phones!
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Old Jun 12th, 2005 | 05:56 PM
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More than one very wise person has said that no one has to take freedom away from people. They willingly give it away bit by bit in the name of convenience, security, safety, or &quot;if it saves just one life.&quot;
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Old Jun 12th, 2005 | 06:59 PM
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uh, hellloooo..? Revelations?
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Old Jun 13th, 2005 | 04:25 AM
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Hi S,

&gt;it's not clear to me how having a RFID implant, ....&lt;

Because the information on this implant can be used to access a database.

All of your credit card info, medical info, bank info, shopping info, etc will be open for review.

Every time you go through a scanner of any sort, it will be noted.

So you say, &quot;I wasn't doing anything wrong. I don't care&quot;.

What if you attend a meeting of the Young Republicans for Freedom and Democracy and it turns out that it is suspected of having Al Qaida connections; how will you explain your presence to the Homeland Security Agency?

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