Confusion about Eurostar w/ Eurail pass
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Confusion about Eurostar w/ Eurail pass
I will be traveling to Germany, Rome, Austria in June. I have the 3 country select pass from Eurail. I would like a quick train ride from Venice to Rome (or Rome to Venice). I see the ES has a train (less than 4 hrs), but is this included with the Eurail pass? I see that there is a 10 euro supplement. Does this mean I just need to pay 10 euros to "reserve" my seat, or is it 10 euros PLUS the cost of the ticket. I find the "supplement" very confusing. I would think that the ES train would be included considering the cost of a Eurail pass.
Also, I am not finding many trains to/from Venice and Rome when I search online. Might this be because the summer schedule is going to change in June? I have been searching for Mid June (14th-28th)
Also, I am not finding many trains to/from Venice and Rome when I search online. Might this be because the summer schedule is going to change in June? I have been searching for Mid June (14th-28th)
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The train is included with the rail pass, but seats on most trains in Italy are mandatory so you have to pay 10€ to reserve a seat. AV,ES, ESCity trains are 10€. IC trains are 3€. R trains don't have reserved seats.
Schedules are only listed through June 11, but they won't change much so just enter a date within the next 7 days to see all trains/prices.
Schedules are only listed through June 11, but they won't change much so just enter a date within the next 7 days to see all trains/prices.
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If you want to reserve a seat, you will have to wait until late May or early June when schedules get loaded. When you select your train there will be a choice of fares. In the drop-down box that says more fares, select global pass.
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I have another question about trains if you could help me out. We will be taking about 3 night trains on our trip. I understand that if a night train leaves after 7 pm and does not have any changes before 4 pm, then it counts as one day of travel (day of arrival). So say, we leave Munich Sat. night on a train with no layovers and arrive in Rome on Sunday morning. That would only count as Sunday on my pass, right? If I need to use my pass AGAIN during the same day (Sunday), would I have until midnight to use it?
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You can book your Munich/Rome train on bahn.de. Find the train you want and check availability (you must enter your age and refresh), scroll to the bottom and click "book only extra charge", then you will get a selection to click "pass offer".
http://www.bahn.com/i/view/USA/en/index.shtml
From Man in Seat 61 website:
The 'overnight trains leaving after 19:00' rule...
Although a Flexi pass day normally runs from midnight to midnight, direct overnight trains leaving after 19:00 count as running the following day, so this only uses up one day of your pass. So for example, if you travelled on the 'Phoenix' sleeper train from Amsterdam to Prague, leaving Amsterdam at 19:01 on August 2nd arriving Prague 09:38 next morning, then travelled on to Cesky Krumlov later that day, this would only use up one day of free travel, and the date you'd write in the box on your pass would be August 3rd. You will need to pay the normal supplements for overnight travel in a couchette or sleeper, see the couchette & sleeper page.
Important: To use this sleeper train rule, your pass validity period must have started on or before the day the sleeper train leaves. In other words, in this example the pass validity must have started on or before 2 August, even though the first day written into any of the five 'boxes' on the pass would be 3 August. Obviously with continuous passes this isn't an issue, the rule just applies to 'Flexi' type Eurail passes.
http://www.fodors.com/community/euro...urail-pass.cfm
For supplements you have to pay with a rail pass, maninseat61 also has a list.
http://www.seat61.com/Railpass-and-E...lements%20cost
http://www.bahn.com/i/view/USA/en/index.shtml
From Man in Seat 61 website:
The 'overnight trains leaving after 19:00' rule...
Although a Flexi pass day normally runs from midnight to midnight, direct overnight trains leaving after 19:00 count as running the following day, so this only uses up one day of your pass. So for example, if you travelled on the 'Phoenix' sleeper train from Amsterdam to Prague, leaving Amsterdam at 19:01 on August 2nd arriving Prague 09:38 next morning, then travelled on to Cesky Krumlov later that day, this would only use up one day of free travel, and the date you'd write in the box on your pass would be August 3rd. You will need to pay the normal supplements for overnight travel in a couchette or sleeper, see the couchette & sleeper page.
Important: To use this sleeper train rule, your pass validity period must have started on or before the day the sleeper train leaves. In other words, in this example the pass validity must have started on or before 2 August, even though the first day written into any of the five 'boxes' on the pass would be 3 August. Obviously with continuous passes this isn't an issue, the rule just applies to 'Flexi' type Eurail passes.
http://www.fodors.com/community/euro...urail-pass.cfm
For supplements you have to pay with a rail pass, maninseat61 also has a list.
http://www.seat61.com/Railpass-and-E...lements%20cost
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>>>madgicsh on Apr 29, 11 at 12:02am
Another question re trains for those who have done it recently: does the Eurail pass really save money? It certainly seems to add lots of complications so unless it saves huge money I am not convinced it's worth it.<<<
Some countries train systems are more expensive than others so it depends on where, how far/often you are traveling. Many of the faster trains have supplements or limit the number of pass holders. Most train systems have online booking and you can snag some bargain fares which can save a lot of money. There are also lots of budget airlines in Europe and they can often be cheaper than taking the train.
Another question re trains for those who have done it recently: does the Eurail pass really save money? It certainly seems to add lots of complications so unless it saves huge money I am not convinced it's worth it.<<<
Some countries train systems are more expensive than others so it depends on where, how far/often you are traveling. Many of the faster trains have supplements or limit the number of pass holders. Most train systems have online booking and you can snag some bargain fares which can save a lot of money. There are also lots of budget airlines in Europe and they can often be cheaper than taking the train.
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I posted on Eurail versus point to point tickets in Italy recently.
In a nutshell a pass only saves money if you travel the equivalent of Rome Venice every pass day.
If you only go Rome to Florence in a day, or Florence to Venice, ordinary tickets save money over passes and if you prebook cheap 'Mini' fares this saves even more. Check Italian fares at www.trenitalia.com
In a nutshell a pass only saves money if you travel the equivalent of Rome Venice every pass day.
If you only go Rome to Florence in a day, or Florence to Venice, ordinary tickets save money over passes and if you prebook cheap 'Mini' fares this saves even more. Check Italian fares at www.trenitalia.com




