Cancel trip to France
Mar 14th, 2003, 09:00 PM
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OK Kids, I was apolitical at the top of this discussion, but did you notice > Chirac hightailed to Algeria a couple weeks ago to kiss up to ... Not us.<BR>when this all shakes out, we are talking economics here, and who will supply the petrol for the high priced European cars..not to mention ours?<BR>It's money, man, and that seems to overweigh morals. Look at the internal slaughter and lack of human rights in "that" part of the world. why are we entertaining any society that allows these atrocities for a tank of gas in our road hogs? France took in Baby Doc Duvalier, and I will never forget him and his thugs at Moulin Mougin in the So. of France in '89 at at least $100 pp. They were sitting around the exterior and interior of that restaurant with MACHINE GUNS..
Mar 14th, 2003, 09:29 PM
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No one, me inlcuded, has forgotten 9/11. But that has absolutely nothing to do with Iraq. There has been no proof delivered whatsoever linking Iraq with Bin Laden's thugs. As far as France goes it was reported just tonight on NBC that they are one of the most helpful nations in assisting with getting the terrorists.
Mar 15th, 2003, 02:54 AM
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<BR>If Operaboy and Thingorjus want to go to France and tiptoe through the tulips, that's their choice. But I find it despicable. <BR><BR>As for the reasons for this war and the weapons SH has, I don't think anyone doubts that Iraq has biological and chemical weapons that they are prohibited from having by the League of Nations resolutions. However, for the sake of argument, let's say the US led invasion doesn't discover a lot of WMD. Let's say we topple SH, hte murderer, but don't find a lot of prohibited weapons. <BR><BR>What's so wrong with that? It's easy for the fat-cat protestors to hop in their Lexuses and drive to DC to protest and return to a comfortable (but hypocritical) existence. Where is the compassion for the Iraqis, who are abused and murdered by their gov't at will? Don't start with the baloney about civilian casualties, either. If you read or talk to anyone who has suffered under someone like SH and they'll tell you they would rather die liberating their country then suffer day after day with no hope. <BR><BR>So, even if WMD aren't found, the lives of the Iraqi people will have been greatly improved, or do our friends the protestors not care at all about the wretched state of life in Iraq today? Do they really care about what's right or are they more concerned about getting in the papers, stroking each other and deluding each other they have a conscience? <BR><BR>
Mar 15th, 2003, 03:41 AM
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I am going to France next month and really have no intention of cancelling my trip. I don't think the French are acting ant different than they have in the past. Their MO is to maintain a superiority complex by making things difficult for Americans.<BR><BR>Everything from the clothes we wear,to our wine,and of course our military. <BR><BR>I plan on enjoying my trip to Paris,and if anyone questions the motives of our government,I will respond to them in German.<BR><BR><BR>
Mar 15th, 2003, 03:54 AM
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And the "ironic quote of the board" award goes to, who else, Uncle, when he refers to Operaman's remarks as "another thoughtful post".<BR>Magnus: Sorry to disillusion you but politically I am a moderate independent with 2 jobs who drives a minivan- when I attend war protests, I'll see if I can find a ride in a Lexus. What a bizarre(humorous, pathetic) assumption that George W. Bush and Rummy have even the slightest interest in "liberating" the people of Iraq.
Mar 15th, 2003, 04:03 AM
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Uncle Sam wrote: "Iraq served our interests at one time...now they do not!"<BR><BR>That just about says it.<BR><BR>The biggest service is done to Osama Bin Laden, who condemned US and secular Saddam Hussein in the same sentence.<BR><BR>And I think Magnus should study a bit the ethnic and religious divisions in Iraq before talking about the happy future of the people. The aftermath will be bloody and long and widespread.<BR><BR>
Mar 15th, 2003, 04:50 AM
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RNC: I guess I question the strategy of blowing up Baghdad to liberate the Iraqi people. Our "make the world safe for democracy" policy has not had a favorable track record since WW2. I'm highly skeptical of this working in such a diverse and unstable region as the Middle East. As I said, I'm not yet ready to sacrifice 20 yr. olds as long as there remains even the slightest hope of further diplomacy- And now it even looks as though our friends, the Brits, agree.
Mar 15th, 2003, 04:58 AM
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Beatle..Nobody wants war. Diplomacy and inspections have failed miserably IMO. Diplomacy only works when all parties want it to,SH does not want that.<BR><BR>SH is basically saying <if you want me disarmed and out,make me>.<BR><BR>I can picture the Iraqis people running around singing "ding dong the witch is dead" when he is gone. This would also stabilize this highly volatile middle east.
Mar 15th, 2003, 05:29 AM
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The differences are:<BR>1. the USA did not give cara about liberating Jews from Hitler before Pearl Harbor. Thanksyou Japan, otherwise there would not be a single alive Jewin Europe nowadays.<BR>2. The USA also tried to liberate Vietnamese from communism; one million of them were freed from commonism by killing them with american bommbs.<BR>3. What about liberating Palestinians from these bloody (litteraly) Israelis ?<BR>4. UN resolution 1441 is about disarmement of Iraq, not about regime change.<BR>5. if regime change is the goal, why not follow the international law and pass a new resolution ay the UN first?
Mar 15th, 2003, 05:57 AM
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You are right Tomato...it was the isolationist anti-war crowd that kept us out of WWII until Pearl Harbor, although many people including Roosevelt wanted to get involved years before..it wasn't until we were attacked that we overcame our isolationist pacifist tendencies...are we going to do the same thing again???No one was ready for what they found as a result of Hitler...they did not know the extent of the atrocities he commited. There were protests when we entered that too...led by none other than Joe Kennnedy...good thing we didn't listen to him. Also, concerning Viet Nam, the figures are staggering at how many Vietnamese have been slaughtered since we pulled out of that area...so there are many more facets than just what you listed.
Mar 15th, 2003, 06:17 AM
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Thank you Armand. I was worried about the crowds in June on my first trip to France, now I can sigh with relief.<BR><BR>To the people going to Ireland instead of France, I didn't realize that Ireland was a big supporter of the war on Iraq. I'll have to revise my list of war supporting countries.<BR><BR>If you choose to go to countries that support the US position, Spain will undoubtedly be flooded and our good friends in Bulgaria will be inundated with happy American tourists.<BR><BR>If you decide to not go to countries because they have not supported the US in the past, I hope you add these countries to your list:<BR><BR>Great Britain (American Rev, War of 1812)<BR>Germany (WWI, WWII)<BR>Japan (WWII)<BR>Italy (sided with Central Powers originally in WWI)<BR>ANY former Soviet Republic<BR><BR>and there are MANY more! I choose travel based on interest, culture, history, and the chance to learn more about other countries, not the political leanings of the leaders. If everyone adopted your ideas, then the United States would RARELY have tourists from other countries. The sad thing is, seems like a lot of people on this thread would be happy with that prospect.
