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Aug 3rd, 2007, 04:46 PM
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roger represents all those cloistered Americans who think the U.S. saved the world - heck the Soviets were at least as responsible for winning WWII.
It's an embarrassment for me, as a yank, to have such Americans say this drivel years after.
How long do the English, which were never invaded, have to thank the U.S. for 'winning' the war - 50 years, 100 years or i guess in your case forever.
I too am sorry for all the lives lost in WWII or other wars, but if you think that American did not enter the war for self-survival and sel-serving reasons well that says it all.
Why didn't America enter the war much earlier? Until Japan slapped them they didn't care much.
Ugly American!
It's an embarrassment for me, as a yank, to have such Americans say this drivel years after.
How long do the English, which were never invaded, have to thank the U.S. for 'winning' the war - 50 years, 100 years or i guess in your case forever.
I too am sorry for all the lives lost in WWII or other wars, but if you think that American did not enter the war for self-survival and sel-serving reasons well that says it all.
Why didn't America enter the war much earlier? Until Japan slapped them they didn't care much.
Ugly American!
Aug 3rd, 2007, 04:47 PM
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Roger_Lisa wrote: "I will now refer to all of my post about the UK citizens as those dumb lymies."
Now you're behaving like a bloody Yank. And if you want to diss the Brits, learn to spell the word "limey".
Do you really think that your posts do anything to improve the regard in which America and Americans are held?
Now you're behaving like a bloody Yank. And if you want to diss the Brits, learn to spell the word "limey".
Do you really think that your posts do anything to improve the regard in which America and Americans are held?
Aug 3rd, 2007, 04:54 PM
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I'm not gettinng into the discussion of whether us Yanks got into the war early enough, or too late, or saved the civilized world or just helped.
That can be debated for hours elsewhere. The issue is that all these people on both sides of the Atlantic are saying Roger_Lisa is dead wrong about "Yanks". But she is stubborn and - yes, being ridiculous - about the word YANK.
R_L - you simply are mistaken. honest. Maybe you have misunderstood other interactions. Just because you say Yank is disrespectful -- does not make it so . . . .
That can be debated for hours elsewhere. The issue is that all these people on both sides of the Atlantic are saying Roger_Lisa is dead wrong about "Yanks". But she is stubborn and - yes, being ridiculous - about the word YANK.
R_L - you simply are mistaken. honest. Maybe you have misunderstood other interactions. Just because you say Yank is disrespectful -- does not make it so . . . .
Aug 3rd, 2007, 05:22 PM
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Yanˇkee (yngk) KEY
NOUN:
A native or inhabitant of New England.
A native or inhabitant of a northern U.S. state, especially a Union soldier during the Civil War.
A native or inhabitant of the United States.
ETYMOLOGY:
Probably from Dutch Janke, nickname of Jan, John
WORD HISTORY:
The origin of Yankee has been the subject of much debate, but the most likely source is the Dutch name Janke, meaning "little Jan" or "little John," a nickname that dates back to the 1680s. Perhaps because it was used as the name of pirates, the name Yankee came to be used as a term of contempt. It was used this way in the 1750s by General James Wolfe, the British general who secured British domination of North America by defeating the French at Quebec. The name may have been applied to New Englanders as an extension of an original use referring to Dutch settlers living along the Hudson River. Whatever the reason, Yankee is first recorded in 1765 as a name for an inhabitant of New England. The first recorded use of the term by the British to refer to Americans in general appears in the 1780s, in a letter by Lord Horatio Nelson, no less. Around the same time it began to be abbreviated to Yank. During the American Revolution, American soldiers adopted this term of derision as a term of national pride. The derisive use nonetheless remained alive and even intensified in the South during the Civil War, when it referred not to all Americans but to those loyal to the Union. Now the term carries less emotionexcept of course for baseball fans.
mimi, a N. E. Yank,
now about Harrod's. I enjoyed looking around.
NOUN:
A native or inhabitant of New England.
A native or inhabitant of a northern U.S. state, especially a Union soldier during the Civil War.
A native or inhabitant of the United States.
ETYMOLOGY:
Probably from Dutch Janke, nickname of Jan, John
WORD HISTORY:
The origin of Yankee has been the subject of much debate, but the most likely source is the Dutch name Janke, meaning "little Jan" or "little John," a nickname that dates back to the 1680s. Perhaps because it was used as the name of pirates, the name Yankee came to be used as a term of contempt. It was used this way in the 1750s by General James Wolfe, the British general who secured British domination of North America by defeating the French at Quebec. The name may have been applied to New Englanders as an extension of an original use referring to Dutch settlers living along the Hudson River. Whatever the reason, Yankee is first recorded in 1765 as a name for an inhabitant of New England. The first recorded use of the term by the British to refer to Americans in general appears in the 1780s, in a letter by Lord Horatio Nelson, no less. Around the same time it began to be abbreviated to Yank. During the American Revolution, American soldiers adopted this term of derision as a term of national pride. The derisive use nonetheless remained alive and even intensified in the South during the Civil War, when it referred not to all Americans but to those loyal to the Union. Now the term carries less emotionexcept of course for baseball fans.
mimi, a N. E. Yank,
now about Harrod's. I enjoyed looking around.
Aug 3rd, 2007, 05:32 PM
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I'm trying to think of some clever way of tying "lymies" (misspelling of limeys) to Lyme Disease, the name coming from those pesky ticks in Lyme Conn, where lots of Yankees live....
But I can't do it.
But I can't do it.
Aug 3rd, 2007, 05:40 PM
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The term Yankee (also Yank) has a number of possible meanings, but in almost all contexts, it refers to someone of American origin or heritage. Within the USA, its popular meaning has varied over time. Historically, the term usually refers to residents of New England, as used by Mark Twain in A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court. During and after the American Civil War, its popular meaning expanded to include any Northerner or resident of the Union, and included any resident of the Northeast (New England, Mid-Atlantic, and upper Great Lakes states). Over time, however, the term has since reverted to its 18th century geographic indication of New England, except when the speaker is from the South. Outside the USA, Yank or Yankee is the most common slang term for any American, whether from New England or not.
Aug 3rd, 2007, 05:43 PM
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finally:
A humorous aphorism attributed to E.B. White summarizes these distinctions:
To foreigners, a Yankee is an American.
To Americans, a Yankee is a Northerner.
To Northerners, a Yankee is an Easterner.
To Easterners, a Yankee is a New Englander.
To New Englanders, a Yankee is a Vermonter.
And in Vermont, a Yankee is somebody who eats pie for breakfast.
A humorous aphorism attributed to E.B. White summarizes these distinctions:
To foreigners, a Yankee is an American.
To Americans, a Yankee is a Northerner.
To Northerners, a Yankee is an Easterner.
To Easterners, a Yankee is a New Englander.
To New Englanders, a Yankee is a Vermonter.
And in Vermont, a Yankee is somebody who eats pie for breakfast.
Aug 3rd, 2007, 05:53 PM
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Wow the side step I commented about took on a life of it's own! Anyways, I grew up in PA (the northeast) and when I heard the word "yank" being used it was normally by a southerner in a negative comment, ie, the "yanks" are causing the price of our land to go up, I'd expect that from a "yank", etc. since we were close to the Virginias. If some Americans don't find that comment offensive I am guessing they have been around people that did not use it in a negative connotation. I stand by what I wrote and do find the comment offensive. Did I want this thread to go off in this direction, no, it surprised me and I'm sorry to have caused this heated discussion.
Sorry this has deviated from the topic, it was about Harrods....
Happy travels to all
Sorry this has deviated from the topic, it was about Harrods....
Happy travels to all
Aug 3rd, 2007, 06:18 PM
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Roger_Lisa: Now that IS one of the most offensive posts I've every seen on here.
Here in my hometown <u>in the USA</u> - three little kids soccer and T Ball teams are called Yanks. Not Yankees - Yanks. That is not counting all the "Yankee" little league teams.
In my local major newspaper's style book, Yank, and Yanks are acceptable words for use in headlines. This is at one of the most politically correct newspapers on the west coast - which is saying something.
And finally - the newspaper published for the US Army during WWII (and sponsored by General/Chief of Staff George C. Marshall) was called --- YANK
So you are "right" and everyone else in the world is wrong.
Here in my hometown <u>in the USA</u> - three little kids soccer and T Ball teams are called Yanks. Not Yankees - Yanks. That is not counting all the "Yankee" little league teams.
In my local major newspaper's style book, Yank, and Yanks are acceptable words for use in headlines. This is at one of the most politically correct newspapers on the west coast - which is saying something.
And finally - the newspaper published for the US Army during WWII (and sponsored by General/Chief of Staff George C. Marshall) was called --- YANK
So you are "right" and everyone else in the world is wrong.
Aug 3rd, 2007, 07:01 PM
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Roger_Lisa: Now that IS one of the most offensive posts I've every seen on here.
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Here in my hometown in the USA.."
YOU MEAN YOU DON'T LEAVE IN OXFORD OR EVEN ENGLAND ?
Interesting how some people are "right"
and everyone else in the world is wrong.
Date: 08/03/2007, 10:18 pm
Roger_Lisa: Now that IS one of the most offensive posts I've every seen on here.
"
Here in my hometown in the USA.."
YOU MEAN YOU DON'T LEAVE IN OXFORD OR EVEN ENGLAND ?
Interesting how some people are "right"
and everyone else in the world is wrong.
Aug 3rd, 2007, 08:49 PM
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I am a Yankee....born and raised in the northeastern part of the US....Yankee territory for sure. I now live in Texas....I have been called a lot worse than "Yankee". I've never heard the term used in a derogatory way though. Redneck...now that's derogatory! A Redneck would be very offended if he/she were called a Yankee. That could start a new Civil War over here.
Proud to be a Yank......
Proud to be a Yank......
Aug 3rd, 2007, 09:33 PM
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My Pennsylvanian husband frequently refers to me as his frugal Yankee wife, seeing I was born and raised in Massachusetts. And as for Yank being an insult to those who served in WWII, why was it used as a compliment in WWI in the lyrics to "Over There" by George M Cohan?
"Over there over there
Send the word, send the word over there
That the Yanks are coming, the Yanks are coming..."
Wasn't an insult then, and it isn't an insult now.
"Over there over there
Send the word, send the word over there
That the Yanks are coming, the Yanks are coming..."
Wasn't an insult then, and it isn't an insult now.
Aug 3rd, 2007, 09:49 PM
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Out of curiosity, I wonder how some travelers here feel about the confederate flag waving on backs of cars or in front of people's homes? Some people see it as a sign of racism others think it's a sign of southern pride and that there's nothing wrong with it.
Aug 3rd, 2007, 09:58 PM
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The Confederate battle flag doesn't have anything to do with the War Between the States; it has to do with the fight to preserve segregation, against civil rights, in the 50s and 60s. That's when it was added to Southern state flags; that's when it became a symbol of resistance and Southern pride. Look it up. Pure and simple racism all the way.
Aug 3rd, 2007, 10:12 PM
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That's my point fnarf999. Some people think there is nothing wrong with confederate flag waving while others find it offensive. I also see that some of the posters here have never had been called "yank" in a pejoritively which is surprising (but then again some of them are not from the northern states). Being called a "yank" by your spouse is not having the word being used against you negatively. When someone tells you that the "yanks" tried to abolish slavery during the civil war for spite, that is a negative connotation. And I am surprised people here have never been called a "yank" in a negative way.
From Wikipedia, which was also quoted earlier leaving this part out but mentioned later:
In some parts of the world, particularly in Latin American countries, and in East Asia, yankee or yanqui is used sometimes as an insult politically associated with anti-Americanism and used in expressions such as "Yankee go home" or "we struggle against the yanqui, enemy of humanity" (words from the Sandinista anthem).
From Wikipedia, which was also quoted earlier leaving this part out but mentioned later:
In some parts of the world, particularly in Latin American countries, and in East Asia, yankee or yanqui is used sometimes as an insult politically associated with anti-Americanism and used in expressions such as "Yankee go home" or "we struggle against the yanqui, enemy of humanity" (words from the Sandinista anthem).
Aug 3rd, 2007, 10:53 PM
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I am not so sure that many Europeans (me included)understand the significance of this part of American history. So flags to us (me)are insignificant.
I called an American mate (from Boston)a yank and he was offended, crikey he called me a limey git in return; I was just as offended lol
Anyway what a digression ! Harrods to the USA confederate flag.
That is why I love this forum..lol
Muck
I called an American mate (from Boston)a yank and he was offended, crikey he called me a limey git in return; I was just as offended lol
Anyway what a digression ! Harrods to the USA confederate flag.
That is why I love this forum..lol
Muck
Aug 4th, 2007, 12:32 AM
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There was a three handkerchief weepy film called "The hasty heart" in which a character called Yank was played by a certain Ronald Reagan. It was a very sympathetic character I seem to remember.
He was rather good in the part although I suppose that he was more or less playing himself.
travelinwifey, old love, if somebody shouts "yanks go home", it doesn't mean that the word yank is pejorative in itself. It is just being used in a pejorative sense.
You have dug yourself into a hole and should just stop digging.
BTW, the OP advised people not to have lunch in Harrods because Harrods is expensive. I think that most of us would agree with that.
He was rather good in the part although I suppose that he was more or less playing himself.
travelinwifey, old love, if somebody shouts "yanks go home", it doesn't mean that the word yank is pejorative in itself. It is just being used in a pejorative sense.
You have dug yourself into a hole and should just stop digging.
BTW, the OP advised people not to have lunch in Harrods because Harrods is expensive. I think that most of us would agree with that.
