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Read Hembrow, and you can see why the "there isn't space for bike lanes" argument is spurious. As in The Netherlands, it's the political will to provide decent infrastructure for cyclists that comes first and determines the outcomes.
this kind of infrastructure
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0CKr0UXQsM
would simply be unacceptable in the Netherlands. I can full well understand why cyclists can't use it as it has been designed, because it wasn't designed with cyclists' best interests in mind.
per billion km's cycled, NL has 9 fatalities (without much helmet use), the UK 21. Don't know the US figure.
this kind of infrastructure
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0CKr0UXQsM
would simply be unacceptable in the Netherlands. I can full well understand why cyclists can't use it as it has been designed, because it wasn't designed with cyclists' best interests in mind.
per billion km's cycled, NL has 9 fatalities (without much helmet use), the UK 21. Don't know the US figure.
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There appears to be strong evidence that wearing helmets makes drivers think the bicyclist is ready for the fight, while cyclists think they are protected. Since the thing that kills them is a tonne and drives at 30 mph min it is unlikely that a helmet has any use apart from making helmet manufacturer's happy. Studies in Australia and Spain where helmets are mandatory merely show that helmets stop people cycling. (fewer deaths and fewer cycled miles)
So to get healthier cyclists you need a whole bunch of stuff. Good infrastructure, car drivers who are also bicyclists, bicyclists who are also car drivers and generally tolerant road sense. The upside for a society is you get lower medical costs (due to a healthier population) and streets brought back to the side of the angels (rather than where hustlers hang out).
So to get healthier cyclists you need a whole bunch of stuff. Good infrastructure, car drivers who are also bicyclists, bicyclists who are also car drivers and generally tolerant road sense. The upside for a society is you get lower medical costs (due to a healthier population) and streets brought back to the side of the angels (rather than where hustlers hang out).
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Stats on deaths per kilometer cycled are frightening with Netherland, Denmark and Germany way in the lead. Poland way out at the back in Europe.
A UK transport minister recently got pilloried for claiming there are fewer deaths by cycling that in Netherlands (there are, even taking into account the population difference) but of course not by kilometers cycled. He made it worse by suggesting the UK could give the Netherlands advice on bike lane design.
A UK transport minister recently got pilloried for claiming there are fewer deaths by cycling that in Netherlands (there are, even taking into account the population difference) but of course not by kilometers cycled. He made it worse by suggesting the UK could give the Netherlands advice on bike lane design.
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No Dutch wear helmets - never sen one and they would probably be ostracized for it and considered Cassandras due to billoburgler's comments about the efficacy of helmets - studies I have seen bear it out too - helmets can even makes cyclists feel safer than they are and take more risks, etc.
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Well, they do but in the situations that makes it sensible. For instance, if I cycle at a speed of 30 km/h, I do wear a helmet. One bit of loose gravel on the road and a fall... And you see many groups of cyclists on training runs on road bikes wearing helmets too. But not in everyday cycling so much, because there it doesn't add to safety. As David Hembrow doesn't stop pointing out: it's subjective safety that counts.
And in Amsterdam a bike is simply the most (cost) efficient means of getting from A to B. Try reaching an address along one of the canals by car... ugh!
And in Amsterdam a bike is simply the most (cost) efficient means of getting from A to B. Try reaching an address along one of the canals by car... ugh!
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For the normal daily commute to work and school in the Netherlands, people mostly don't wear helmets. It's not thought to be more dangerous than walking to work - would you wear a helmet when walking to work?
For longer trips, cycling at speed on the road, or for mountainbiking, many people do wear helmets.
For longer trips, cycling at speed on the road, or for mountainbiking, many people do wear helmets.
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We were very impressed by the school bike trips we saw around the villages along the Vecht. Twenty or so youngsters all cycling together with perhaps two adults. They seemed well organised and well supervised.
We did find it a challenge to remember to look both ways when approaching a roundabout as the cyclists on the cycle path came from both directions.
We did find it a challenge to remember to look both ways when approaching a roundabout as the cyclists on the cycle path came from both directions.
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