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Old Apr 20th, 2015, 08:42 PM
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We are all Gods children. My dad was 100 percent Cherokee.
My family did not participate in the traditional Thanksgiving.
The Friday after we gave thanks to God that our forefathers were exempt from the massive slaughter of the indigenous population of America.
I will not continue my tyrant against the lies that exist in all American History books.As I have not laid my eyes upon proven BS for 35 years.

I pray for change.I feel deeply saddened for all those 700
Souls lost at sea.
God be with them and thy families.

I fear humanity will never learn to love his own brother.
We are all Gods children.
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Old Apr 20th, 2015, 09:50 PM
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"We are all Gods children"

Unfortunately, not all of the same God.
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Old Apr 20th, 2015, 10:51 PM
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We are all human. We are all created equal.
What we do with ourselves depends on many factors.

Maybe those people on that ill fated journey had
to flee for fear of death or torture.

My heart bleeds for them.I myself believe in the Lord,
And his ability to forgive those less fortunate who may
not have yet learned of him.

God bless those in search of refuge. I pray they have found
Peace in your everlasting love.
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Old Apr 20th, 2015, 10:56 PM
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BC, Thank you for bringing this our attention.
Sad as it is people need to know.
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Old Apr 20th, 2015, 11:58 PM
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Bvlenci, Malta is already struggling with the massive numbers that have landed (small island and all that) hence they decided to pull up the drawer bridges.

Present EU policy is not well thought out and is not working. Italian policy is also very flawed, however since Italy (two islands) is closer to Libya than Malta their decisions are critical to any conclusions.

My own views are pretty hard hearted. I would station gun boats on the Libyian coast and sink these boats close to African land. This would not solve the problem (just move it to another border) but would give a clear message.

The damage the West has done in Iraq, Libya is unacceptable, yet the two monsters in charge in those countries were just terrible, and let's not forget what Russia has done in Syria, or the religiously obsessed in Egypt, Iraq, Algeria etc etc. People in charge, with religious belief or just holding guns are normally pretty dumb. "to a man carrying a hammer every problem is a nail"

The second part of the policy is to round up anyone involved with this trade and make their life a hell. Since they advertise freely on docks it cannot be hard to pick them up.

One of my friends (he invented the 3D barcode) is only alive today because his parents swam the Straights to Hong Kong. Picked up on the beach by the soldiers the rule was "married couple could stay while singles were taken back". His parents grabbed each others hands and declared "we are married" but of course didn't even speak the same language.

Tough calls
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Old Apr 21st, 2015, 12:10 AM
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Just another thought on this issue

Vietnam boat people, do you remember them?

Australian boat people (Afghani and Iraqi mainly) are you aware how big an issue this is in Indonesia and Australia?

The Med, are you aware how many of these are sub-saharan people rather than Syrian, Iraqi etc.? So which countries down there are underperforming?

Did you know that, for instance Zimbabwe (the "bread basket of Africa") now has to import food, or that (until a recent Chinese "loan") was spending more on maintaining the President's cars than it was on the whole of its national health service capital budget? When you hear about South African immigration riots (and I hope you do) do you realise that these immigrants are mainly from Zimbabwe?

There is a mass movement of people, not because it is suddenly nastier where they are, but because there is "hope" that it might be better somewhere else.

When does the movement stop? When there is hope that it might be nicer to stay where you are.
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Old Apr 21st, 2015, 12:16 AM
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Imagine, how bad it has to be to not only leave your home, your local contacts or family and your language base to move great distances trusting only people who want your money, to try and get across legal boundaries and to try and live in another country, where you do not speak the language and you are going to have to live outside the law for most of your life.....

I got married in Puglia a couple of years back and we discussed who the last foreigners were who had been married there. The local staff told us that they had been two African boat people, arrived in 2012, woman had managed to get a job as a nurse in the UK very quickly (trained and spoke the language), man stayed in Puglia, doing odd jobs, she came back in 6 months having received residency to marry him and take him back.
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Old Apr 21st, 2015, 01:21 AM
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"There is much talk about taking Syrians"

Yes there's lots of talk but no action in the US. It'smalls countries like Sweden that have taken in these refugees.

We were in Syrian in 2011 and our guide, a fabulous chap who had previously worked in the US. is now a refugee in Brazil. He and his wife are divorced and even though the children are US citizens (they were born in the US when he worked over there) their mother can't get a visa to live in the US. She and the kids are currently refugees in Lebanon. We've written so many letters to our politicians in California but it's to no avail. These are US citizens (now refugees) and the US will do nothing for them because their parents are not citizens.

If we do nothing for our own citizens what hope do these others have?

Incidentally in the Ancient Egyptian period there's a lot of historical evidence of a mass migration of people from the north (including Europe) flooding into Egypt. They were knows as the "Sea People" and seem to have been escaping some social or environmental catastrophe so it isn't always a migration from the south.
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"There is much talk about taking Syrians"

Yes, and there was much TALK about taking Iraqis who had worked for the US. Know how that worked out?

See: http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/26/op...oned.html?_r=0
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