3 Month Europe Itineray -- please critique :)
Mar 3rd, 2017, 10:28 AM
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Wow, long-winded, much? People who are happier planning, should plan. People who are happier winging it, should wing it. People on two week trips should plan. See? Three sentences.
" I have never seen anyone who undertook longer term travel write in a travel forum that next time they would 'plan more'. I have seen plenty of people write that they would 'plan less.'"
I take it that a ten month trip would count as "longer term travel"? I did just that, a while back - RTW, mostly on the ground, by train from Scotland to Saigon. I now travel mostly for two to three months at a time, and I plan <b>more</b>, because I care more about where I sleep, and since I travel by train whenever possible it generally saves me money.
" I have never seen anyone who undertook longer term travel write in a travel forum that next time they would 'plan more'. I have seen plenty of people write that they would 'plan less.'"
I take it that a ten month trip would count as "longer term travel"? I did just that, a while back - RTW, mostly on the ground, by train from Scotland to Saigon. I now travel mostly for two to three months at a time, and I plan <b>more</b>, because I care more about where I sleep, and since I travel by train whenever possible it generally saves me money.
Mar 3rd, 2017, 12:22 PM
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You actually read that whole thing, thursdays? More power to you.
Sorry, I actually have things to do here in Europe and just couldn't make my way through that dog-eared collection of insults and random thoughts. Let me just say this: We LIVE in Europe and have many European friends, many of whom are young and love to travel, and not a single one of them condones traveling around by hitchhiking. They'd rather buy a 500€ jalopy and run it into the ground going from country to country. It's dangerous. The local gendarmeries have posters about it on their walls, along with posters about child abuse, sex trafficking, domestic abuse, etc.
Go ahead and look up links yourself. I'm busy.
Sorry, I actually have things to do here in Europe and just couldn't make my way through that dog-eared collection of insults and random thoughts. Let me just say this: We LIVE in Europe and have many European friends, many of whom are young and love to travel, and not a single one of them condones traveling around by hitchhiking. They'd rather buy a 500€ jalopy and run it into the ground going from country to country. It's dangerous. The local gendarmeries have posters about it on their walls, along with posters about child abuse, sex trafficking, domestic abuse, etc.
Go ahead and look up links yourself. I'm busy.
Mar 3rd, 2017, 01:48 PM
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To suggest hitchhiking is unsafe is simply an opinion unless you can find evidence to refute it being more dangerous than flying in an airplane or getting on a train. People die using both of those methods of travel too. The risks of hitchhiking are comparable to the risks of flying or taking a train and LOWER than the risk of falling down accidentally and dying.
That people or the police or anyone else BELIEVE it is unsafe does not make it unsafe. It just makes them wrong in their belief. The facts do not support that belief.
Thursdaysd, you're right. It should only take 3 sentences. Now tell me why then instead, you chose to write, " I'm a careful planner, as are many here (precisely because I don't want to waste time and money, and know how not to)." Which clearly indicates that you believe planning is BETTER than not-planning and will save you time and money over a non-planner.
Those who don't plan have no problem agreeing with your 3 sentences. It is those who plan who are unwilling to agree to them, apparently including yourself.
"People who are happier planning, should plan. People who are happier winging it, should wing it. People on two week trips should plan. See? Three sentences."
If you believe your 3 sentences, then we should not see people advising that it is better to get a railpass or pre-book beds, etc. etc. UNLESS we know the person has first made a decision as to whether planning or not planning will suit them better. What we should see is people advising them to make that decision FIRST and then IF they come back and say, 'I prefer to plan', then and only then should we read, 'get a railpass, etc.'
Non-planners do not tell anal retentives that it's a bad idea to plan, only anal retentives try to tell non-planners that it's a better idea to plan.
II can name that tune in ONE sentence. Choose to travel in a way that suits your personality better, planned or unplanned.
That people or the police or anyone else BELIEVE it is unsafe does not make it unsafe. It just makes them wrong in their belief. The facts do not support that belief.
Thursdaysd, you're right. It should only take 3 sentences. Now tell me why then instead, you chose to write, " I'm a careful planner, as are many here (precisely because I don't want to waste time and money, and know how not to)." Which clearly indicates that you believe planning is BETTER than not-planning and will save you time and money over a non-planner.
Those who don't plan have no problem agreeing with your 3 sentences. It is those who plan who are unwilling to agree to them, apparently including yourself.
"People who are happier planning, should plan. People who are happier winging it, should wing it. People on two week trips should plan. See? Three sentences."
If you believe your 3 sentences, then we should not see people advising that it is better to get a railpass or pre-book beds, etc. etc. UNLESS we know the person has first made a decision as to whether planning or not planning will suit them better. What we should see is people advising them to make that decision FIRST and then IF they come back and say, 'I prefer to plan', then and only then should we read, 'get a railpass, etc.'
Non-planners do not tell anal retentives that it's a bad idea to plan, only anal retentives try to tell non-planners that it's a better idea to plan.
II can name that tune in ONE sentence. Choose to travel in a way that suits your personality better, planned or unplanned.
Mar 3rd, 2017, 02:11 PM
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That people or the police or anyone else BELIEVE it is unsafe does not make it unsafe. It just makes them wrong in their belief. The facts do not support that belief.
What facts do you refer to regards hitching - for one thing no one hitches anymore so yes there will be few if any reports of problems.
Where are your facts about other forms of travel being more dangerous than hitching?
Verbosity does not lend itself to folks thinking what is being said is not complete drivel as the case above. You are way way out of touch with today's travelers but stuck in some last millennium time warp it seems.
Your may point it seems is to be a contrarian.
Cheers!
What facts do you refer to regards hitching - for one thing no one hitches anymore so yes there will be few if any reports of problems.
Where are your facts about other forms of travel being more dangerous than hitching?
Verbosity does not lend itself to folks thinking what is being said is not complete drivel as the case above. You are way way out of touch with today's travelers but stuck in some last millennium time warp it seems.
Your may point it seems is to be a contrarian.
Cheers!
Mar 3rd, 2017, 02:31 PM
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Like StCirq, I have better things to do than read this verbal diarrhea. You are obviously keen to have the last word. You got it. And congratulations, you have made my extremely short list of people to ignore. (Actually, right now that list is only one person long. Previous incumbents have happily disappeared.)
To the unfortunate OP: I suggest you abandon this thread and start a new one.
To the unfortunate OP: I suggest you abandon this thread and start a new one.
Mar 3rd, 2017, 02:52 PM
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PalenQ, you wrote, "saves a lot of time and money by being sure to get something that is affordable to you."
I've yet to stay in a place I couldn't afford. Tell me how anyone could do that, it defies logic. LOL
Defies logic? I see little logic in your drivel except to argue - about meanings of words and number of sentences needed to convey one's ideas.
A bunch of hot air - to put it nicely. And by these diatribes about totally unrealistic travel styles dis-serves the OP who came asking specific questions about his/her travels and not travel style - how many threads are you going to ruin for OPs - why not start your own thread about your pie-in-the-sky topics.
Of all the zillions of lines you write above there is nearly nothing of substance to the OP - but mainly justifying your obtuse travel style.
And where are YOUR facts:
<That people or the police or anyone else BELIEVE it is unsafe does not make it unsafe. It just makes them wrong in their belief. The facts do not support that belief.>
WHAT FACTS ARE YOUR USING TO SUPPORT YOUR BELIEF?
Apparently none.
Cheers (and jeers)!
I've yet to stay in a place I couldn't afford. Tell me how anyone could do that, it defies logic. LOL
Defies logic? I see little logic in your drivel except to argue - about meanings of words and number of sentences needed to convey one's ideas.
A bunch of hot air - to put it nicely. And by these diatribes about totally unrealistic travel styles dis-serves the OP who came asking specific questions about his/her travels and not travel style - how many threads are you going to ruin for OPs - why not start your own thread about your pie-in-the-sky topics.
Of all the zillions of lines you write above there is nearly nothing of substance to the OP - but mainly justifying your obtuse travel style.
And where are YOUR facts:
<That people or the police or anyone else BELIEVE it is unsafe does not make it unsafe. It just makes them wrong in their belief. The facts do not support that belief.>
WHAT FACTS ARE YOUR USING TO SUPPORT YOUR BELIEF?
Apparently none.
Cheers (and jeers)!
Mar 3rd, 2017, 02:59 PM
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Are you effing kidding me? The fact that gendarmeries in France have billboards warning against hitchhiking (as well as warnings about domestic abuse, sex trafficking, drug pandering, etc.) just means that they BELIEVE that these things are dangerous? You don't think that the police base advertisements like this on concrete statistics that they themselves are familiar with in their own and other communities? You don't think that they KNOW these are bad practices? Do the police where you live post warnings about things they just BELIEVE might be bad ideas?
What planet do you live on?
It's NOT safe anymore to hitchhike in Europe. Period. Could you get away with it? Sure, maybe...but don't be an idiot and try it. And don't be an idiot and say it's OK. You obviously don't live here and have only an outsider's, and very antiquated and probably limited, notion of what actually goes on here.
I live in a very rural commune in SW France, 4 kms from one village and 7 kms from another. The one and only person who hitchhikes here is a disabled man who has no transportation. He hitchikes between the two towns I live between, between his doctor's office and the larger medical center in the larger town. People pick him up because they know him and they know where he's going and they know he's harmless. Other hitchhikers can stand by the roadside for days before anyone will pick them up. I've seen them, many times.
What Pal said above rings totally true. You are out of touch and trying, who knows why, to pretend that you know what's happening on the ground in Europe. No matter how many dull paragraphs you write, you just aren't au courant.
What planet do you live on?
It's NOT safe anymore to hitchhike in Europe. Period. Could you get away with it? Sure, maybe...but don't be an idiot and try it. And don't be an idiot and say it's OK. You obviously don't live here and have only an outsider's, and very antiquated and probably limited, notion of what actually goes on here.
I live in a very rural commune in SW France, 4 kms from one village and 7 kms from another. The one and only person who hitchhikes here is a disabled man who has no transportation. He hitchikes between the two towns I live between, between his doctor's office and the larger medical center in the larger town. People pick him up because they know him and they know where he's going and they know he's harmless. Other hitchhikers can stand by the roadside for days before anyone will pick them up. I've seen them, many times.
What Pal said above rings totally true. You are out of touch and trying, who knows why, to pretend that you know what's happening on the ground in Europe. No matter how many dull paragraphs you write, you just aren't au courant.
