logos999

>issue of insulation in a U.S. extension cord is not a problem at 220V
It won't cause a problem unless the insulation accidentally is cut somwhere, but it's ILLEGAL to use. It's THAT simple .

Robespierre

I would think that cut insulation would be bad news at <u>any</u> voltage - legal ramifications aside.

logos999

Just two layers are better than one, aren't they

Wayne

Holy cow, logos999 just won't give up. I'll bet he wears belt and suspenders, plus keeps his hands in his pockets to make sure.

Gardyloo

(Walks down the hall. Opens door.)

Q: WHAT DO YOU WANT?
M: Well, I was told outside that...
Q: Don't give me that, you snotty-faced heap of parrot droppings!
M: What?
Q: Shut your festering gob, you tit! Your type really makes me puke, you vacuous, coffee-nosed, maloderous, pervert!!!
M: Look, I CAME HERE FOR AN ARGUMENT, I'm not going to just stand...!!
Q: OH, oh I'm sorry, but this is abuse.
M: Oh, I see, well, that explains it.
Q: Ah yes, you want room 12A, Just along the corridor.
M: Oh, Thank you very much. Sorry.
Q: Not at all.
M: Thank You.
(Under his breath) Stupid git!!

(Walk down the corridor)
M: (Knock)
A: Come in.
M: Ah, Is this the right room for an argument?
A: I told you once.
M: No you haven't.
A: Yes I have.
M: When?
A: Just now.
M: No you didn't.
A: Yes I did.
M: You didn't
A: I did!
M: You didn't!
A: I'm telling you I did!
M: You did not!!
A: Oh, I'm sorry, just one moment. Is this a five minute argument or the full half hour?
M: Oh, just the five minutes.
A: Ah, thank you. Anyway, I did...

<i>...With eternal gratitude to the Pythons...</i>

logos999

You can do whatever you want, and you're free to kill yourself . Using this 120V stuff on 240V is just fuc.ing dangerous for those who aren't experienced. Those soft rubber cables and plugs are a bad joke.

fnarf999

If I'm not mistaken, &quot;double insulation&quot; doesn't have anything to do with two layers of insulation, but rather insulating the hot wire and the return wire, obviating the need for a third grounding wire. A double-insulated appliance is one with a motor, a drill or saw for example, that can safely be operated with a two-prong plug instead of the formerly-required three.

I'm sure I've muddled that up, but the basic part is correct -- it's nothing to do with &quot;insulation&quot; as in the rubber stuff that's coating the wire.

Wayne

I give up. There is no hope for logos999.

logos999

Yes you're right, a double insulated device (Class2) (=Schutzklasse2 in German) doesn't require additional grounding. &quot;Two layers&quot; in that respect does not equal &quot;double insulated&quot;.

DAX

I didn't realize we have so many EE on this board. If you decide to buy the extension cord in Amsterdam, it's called Verlengkabel.

Just for the heck of it, here's an extension cable producer website with all the necessary ampere info attached:
http://tinyurl.com/2ff9b8

hopscotch

Robs,

Thanks for recognizing me as a genius. I am.

Your convoluted reply did nothing to answer the OP's questions.

knmusic,
Amsterdam's best known department store, De Bijenkorf, is at the Dam, on the left side of Damrak as you walk south from Centraal Station, about 500 meters. See http://tinyurl.com/2fy4v7.

If you can't find an extension cord there go to the V+D near the Munt Toren at the south end of Kalver Straat. I know they have them.

Robespierre

This is getting too contentious for me. Let's leave it at &quot;E=IR&quot; and &quot;hopscotch claims he's a genius.&quot;

hopscotch

<i>&quot;hopscotch claims he's a genius.&quot;</i>

Let's get it right Robs. I don't claim it. I am, a genius.

What you meant to say, assuming you understand what this is all about, is P = IV
P is power, watts
I is current, amperes or amps
V is voltage, volts

Those are the terms you see on the nameplates of consumer electrical equipment. Knowledge beyond this is meaningless for non-technical people.

Now let's get to the history lesson. Troy was in England. Historians have it all mucked up.

Robespierre

I can show that historically, the universal letter abbreviation for voltage was E, as in Electromotive force. As in the statement of Ohm's Law formulated by Georg: E=IR. Therefore my previous P=IE was correct. When I got my ham license in 1956, E was still in use.

But you may call them &quot;measles&quot; if you wish.

hopscotch

Robes,


Let's just call a ceasefire. This is fun but does not contribute to anything. I'm sure the other people are getting bored and sitting on the edge of their keyboard waiting for Fodor's to scratch this thread.

You post tons of valuable information here which I appreciate very much. Thank you. Peace.

JJ Hopscotch

GSteed

Tesco and Carrefour all carry 100s of extension cords with a myriad of options. Why not simply buy a 5 meter length of HD cable, a local plug and an outlet with enough openings to accommodate all your gear? Too late! What did you do?

hetismij

GSteed sadly we have neither Tesco or Carrefour in Holland