Cruisenews 6/23/02

Old Jun 23rd, 2002, 12:11 AM
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Paul Therault
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Cruisenews 6/23/02

Our prayers have been answered .... Two new ships are going to be built in the USA (shipyard - Baltimore Marine Industries) by Voyager Holdings. About 2,300 passengers each. The designs are all set and will include gas turbines and water jet propulsion rather than the new pod technology. At this time Voyager Holdings aims to get clearance from Congress to re-flag foreign ships while the newbuilds are under construction. All American crew will be trained. These ships will be purchased from those that are for sale now. An interesting itinerary is being planned. There will be 3 and 4 day cruises through the Hawaiian Islands with land packages which will equal 7 days. All included in the price. The number of hotel beds will equal the number of cruise beds.

The proposed merger between Royal Caribbean and Princess moved a step closer to reality as the U.K. Competition Commission gave its go-ahead to the deal. Meanwhile, back in the States, neither the merger nor the takeover can move forward without the FTC approval. Reviews from the FTC are expected in late summer. Last but not least, Princes shareholders must approve any deal.

The new Carnival Legend is all set with its 20 sailings to the Caribbean from NYC in 2003. May 13 through October 12 the 8 day itinerary will be San Juan, St Thomas/St John and Tortola/Virgin Gorda. Since the sailings are all 8 days it will give passengers the choice of what day of the week they would like to sail and the island visits will usually occur on non-busy days.

The Carnival Victory (the green ship) will again replace the Triumph sailing out of NYC to Canada in 2003.

The Carnival Skipper's Club Program is now complete. It will be offered in all ports. Passengers who book a category 11 or 12 suite should ask for the "Skippers Club" when they arrive at the pier. They will be offered special registration and boarding privileges.

New ports ..... Joining the Celebrity Galaxy sailing out of Baltimore year round doing 10 and 11 night alternating cruises to the Caribbean, Bahamas, Belize, Mexico, Key West and Charleston will be the Horizon sailing on Oct. 6 and 13 to Hamilton and St. George Bermuda.

The new Carnival Legend will sail from Philly on Oct. 23 for a 6 night King's Wharf Bermuda run. On Oct. 30 she will leave from Baltimore on another 6 day King's Wharf run and end on a Nov. 10 cruise to the Caribbean.

P&O rumor is that it is negotiating with the government of French Polynesia over the purchase of the "old" Renaissance R3 and R4 ships. The rumor is that the ships will operate under the Princess flag. One to sail year-round Tahiti cruises and the other to sail in New Caledonia waters.

Here's an itinerary to die for.... Regal Princess is offering a 22 day trip leaving Honolulu to Midway Island, Marshall Islands, Guadalcanal, Guam, Saipan, cruise past Iwo Jima, Okinawa, Hiroshima and end in Osaka. For those that are old enough to remember these WW2 Pacific Islands it will be a visit into the past. Book fast since the ship is almost full. Inside cabins are reasonable.

Carnival Corporation has entered into a joint venture with Parque Xcaret to build a large cruise port in Cancun. It will include 2 wharves and a terminal capable of handling four mega-ships and 2 smaller vessels. Immigration will be able to handle 10,000 passengers simultaneously.

Until next time, happy cruising.

Paul
 
Old Jun 23rd, 2002, 12:36 AM
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Great paul we can read the trade rags to. Go away! Pat yourself on the back somewhere else!
 
Old Jun 23rd, 2002, 05:44 AM
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With the merger of Princess and RC what is this going to do to the cruise industry Paul.. What with Carnival Corp. owning or having a major interest in many cruise ships and now RC and Princess....will this water down the individuality and personality of cruise ships? From what I hear Celebrity hasn't been the same since the takeover..
 
Old Jun 23rd, 2002, 06:43 AM
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Hahahaha. You old stoic types are finally getting what you deserve. People have been complaining that cruise line are going to pot. All you have said Paul, Parrotmom, and the rest of the cruise line devotees is that we are whiners and nothing could be wrong with the beloved lines. Guess what wrong! This board is an excellent indicator of what is happening to cruise lines. The masses are taking over and ruining it. Look at the average question or reply by most of these posters. They have nothing to do with cruising. Can I sneak in a six packs? Can I wear jeans at a formal night? Etc... Well now you are all so smart how are they going to fix it?
 
Old Jun 23rd, 2002, 09:52 AM
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What is wrong with the "new" cruisers..besides boomboxes and excessive drinking is LACK OF MANNERS, CLASS AND RESPECT!!
 
Old Jun 23rd, 2002, 10:23 AM
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You're pulling my leg right? Do you really believe that going anywhere in the world is going to get you away from the types you are mentioning? Possibly Tibet, but you would still have to travel there, you can't just appear.

As far as Carnival changing the individuality of each cruise line I guess all we can we can go on is the difference of each Carnival Corp. Line. Windstar, Holland, Costa, Festival, Cunard and Yachts of Seabourn. If Royal Caribbean takes over P&O then we may see what has happened to Celebrity. But really, how much as Celebrity suffered? Little bit in food and little bit in service.

Paul



 
Old Jun 23rd, 2002, 10:51 PM
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Uhhh yes Paul. Most of the people that frequent cruises don't speak a second language. Like the rest of the world. So you will not find most of these inbred types in foreign countries. They are so busy worrying about bingo, where they can buy another bauble for the dashboard of their car, and how to sneak alcohol in that they never bother to explore anything out of their element. Most of the people frequenting cruises can't spell Tibet let alone know where it is so I'm not worried about that.

Just wish I could find a cruise without the beer guzzling, tank top wearing crowd of todays cruise lines. Problem is they have made them too affordable.

You want to give some advice? Tell us where to find a ship that has the amneties of old without the crowd of today.
 
Old Jun 23rd, 2002, 11:45 PM
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I believe it is good that cruises are so affordable. Most Fodorites would not be able to cruise at all if it wasn't for the price. Everyone can not afford to cruise the upscale lines. But I'll tell you there is not much difference between an excessive beer drinker than an excessive cocktail drinker. Just visit one of your local exclusive country clubs or attend an exclusive wedding.

Cunard has two different classes but the lower class certainly isn't steerage.

I don't get your point. Maybe you should try one of the small-ship cruise lines. Fewer passengers, fewer drunks. I am also what you may call a snob since I do not drink and hate those that fall all over me and spill drinks.

What's a guy to do? Commit suicide?
Will you be then in a better place?
Hope so.

Paul
 
Old Jun 24th, 2002, 02:53 PM
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Sure there is one screams at tennis and another at football.
 
Old Jun 27th, 2002, 08:53 PM
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Paul, Is there a date set for the USA ships to begin Hawaii sailings?
 
Old Jun 28th, 2002, 12:13 AM
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Hi Virginia,

The company did not publish a date since they have to get an OK from Congress to fly the US flag on a foreign ship. They are planning to purchase 2 older ships. This all should come to fruition without much of a problem since American Hawaii Cruise Line did buy the foreign flagged Nieuw Amsterdam from Holland America a few years ago before they went belly-up.

Here's my guess. The cruises they offer will be expensive since they will be hiring American employees and therefore will more than likely have to pay union scale. Hope this doesn't sink the line. Well ....maybe we will not have to tip.

Paul
 
Old Jun 28th, 2002, 06:52 AM
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There are a lot more issues than the pay scale for an American crew. They will have to meet all of the other regulatory requirements from the miriad of U.S. government agencies - immigration, OSHA, EPA, etc. Getting their ships in compliance with all of this and then withstanding inspections might make the cruise almost unaffordable.
 
Old Jun 28th, 2002, 09:09 AM
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Thank you Paul and Peter for your replies. I was feeling very happy about the news but now sadness has taken over again. Hopefully a good combination of price and itinerary can be found. Please keep the information coming!
 
Old Jun 29th, 2002, 12:48 AM
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Don't be sad Virginia. I am sure the price will be competitive and fair for an excellent itinerary.
They will not price themselves out of the market since they will have to fill their ships.

All ships now have to comply with the CDC and the Coast Guard for sanitation and safety. This is where Norwegian got in so much trouble and lost quite a bit of money. Therefore the only problem I can foresee is the high cost of wages and no casino income. If they run efficiently they will find somewhere else to cut to make up the added costs. American Hawaii did well for many years. When they picked up the old Nieuw Amsterdam they incurred astronomical rebuilding costs (poor planning) and then came 9/11. They did not have enough backing (money) to operate all their ships in Hawaii and in the states. They also put many millions into newbuilds even though us taxpayers took the brunt on those.

Be patient. Should be interesting to see how all this develops.

Paul
 
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