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Old Jun 9th, 2005, 06:54 AM
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To the fodors editors:

Well since there has been sufficient question as to why the "missing in Aruba" thread was deleted, a thread which seemed so innocent as compared to others which are much longer and nastier then why was it deleted? The discussion was very interesting.
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Old Jun 9th, 2005, 08:12 AM
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The discussion was in no way negative towards Aruba - just discussing the missing student. I find it odd that you would delete such a positive discussion surrounding such a tragic event.
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Old Jun 9th, 2005, 03:24 PM
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Someone must be scared that it could affect tourism??Aruba is known as a very safe island.
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Old Jun 9th, 2005, 03:38 PM
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Chrisite have you gone yet to the VI's? As much pub as this has been getting elsewhere would, I think be more adversarial to tourism. It will be interesting to see if it does drop, at least for the short term. Also to be fair there is seldom any editing of neg. threads inre to other places. Recently Jamaica and Bali have been discussed inre to safety. I just can't fathom why it was deleted.
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Old Jun 9th, 2005, 04:29 PM
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yes Larry..we just got back Tuesday night at 1:45 am.I am still trying to recoop.St John was beautiful..just a bad trip with my mom and 2 yr.old Ryan who both complained the whole time.I will NEVER take my mom on another trip or Ryan until he is older.

Back to the Aruba thread maybe someone favors Aruba over Jamaica and that is why the thread was deleted.If that is so,it is very unfair.
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Old Jun 9th, 2005, 05:09 PM
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When I think back to my trip to Aruba in April 04...I had a really erie feeling about a young guy that I passed on the road.

My husband and I stayed at the Renaissance and one night we where in the Crystal Casino.At about 2:00 am I went to the room to sleep.My husband stayed at the casino and said that he would be back shortly.I fell asleep and awoke at 4:00am and he still was not in the room..so I went to the casino and he was nowhere to be found.So I went walking down the main road looking for him and passed a yound guy (around 18 or so)just sitting in front of McD's.I had the weirdest,scariest feeling..so I walked a little farther and then turned around and went back to the room.I was so mad at my husband..I could have been hurt or killed and I was worried about him.He finally came back to the room at around 6:00am and said that he had been at a bar.(BS)I still do not know what was going on.
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Old Jun 9th, 2005, 07:22 PM
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Christie - never mind, I thought this last post had been deleted.

How creepy that must have been. Did you ever figure out where your DH was?
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Old Jun 10th, 2005, 03:13 AM
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About 15 years ago I was at the British Colonial with my wife. I couldn't sleep,and went to the lobby and talked with the desk clerk. I mossied out onto the front steps and smoked a cigarette (I since quit) and was approached by a man, who said I could go to a party with drugs and "pretty women". It was 1am. I said no. The desk clerk came out after he left and said that man was "very dangerous" and if I went with him, I probably would have been beaten and robbed, or worse. What happened in Aruba could happen anywhere. When I was helping save the Bahama Parrot on Abaco in the Bahamas, this local man (white man), ended up helping the researchers with the parrot project. For some reason, I never trusted him. A year later, he molested a young 8 year old girl on Abaco, and was sentenced to the Fox Hill Prison in Nassau. And, that was a remote, out island. I must say the political repercussions from this Aruba experience is startling. The police never scrutinized the car by the three young men...one being the son of the Dutch Judicial higher-up? Hmmmmm. I hope the FBI agents totally clean their car and study every hair follicle, finger print, and smudge mark from the car, back at the lab in Washington, D.C. I just can't imagine what the parents are going through. Robert
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Old Jun 10th, 2005, 05:38 AM
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MIM..My husband still says that he was in a bar.I just find that hard to believe at 6:00 in the morning.

Robert..You are right...it could happen anywhere.It just really freaked me out because of the erie feeling that I got from my experience.When I was looking for my husband..a security guard told me that I did not need to be out walking the streets at that time of night.I was totally scared that something had happened to my husband.

I really feel for Natalee's parents.I hope that justice is served.Has Aruba allowed the US to help with the search??I read in my local news that Aruba was refusing our help??
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Old Jun 10th, 2005, 05:41 AM
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My only comment is, to be fair how many murders do they see there? I'll bet they just don't have the expertise to do a proper investigation of such a crime. Its probably the same here in any part of the US, say a small rural area where the incidence of such crimes is rare. However in a large urban area CSI's are probably much more competent due to far more practicing of their techniques.
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Old Jun 10th, 2005, 05:50 AM
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Larry..I bet that you are right.
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Old Jun 10th, 2005, 06:05 AM
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It's just amazing to me that the car the original 3 men drove her in wasn't taken in for a check. Apparently, the Aruba authorities didn't look in them at all. Hopefully, the 10 FBI agents are interviewing neighbors, etc., just to determine if the 3 suspects washed and vacuumed the car, inside and out. That would raise the suspicion up a notch. Does anyone know if the Aruba authorities will allow the agents to inspect the car? The nailed a hit-and-run Ohio man after he ran someone down with his car. He washed it 11 times at car washes, and still, an electron microscope took blood samples from his car fender. I think the state dept. should request the car be helicoptered to Washington. Robert
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Old Jun 10th, 2005, 07:52 AM
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I really don't like to speculate as to what was or wasn't done. I prefer to wait until all the facts are in. Maybe they should watch more CSI programs there. . To me this is like asking an MD who works primarily in an office to do open heart surgery. The skills just aren't there and its understandable. Larry.
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Old Jun 10th, 2005, 08:05 AM
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It will be interesting to see how the Aruban authorities cooperate with and allow the 10 FBI agents there to conduct their investigation. In New Providence, when an English and American woman were murdered on Cabbage Beach, the Bahamian authorities immediately flew the immediate family members and cousins from both countries to the Bahamas, for free. They also allowed U.S. law enforcement free reign in the investigation. The Bahamian Parliament, with the Prime Minister of the Bahamas, put out a hefty reward for the capture of the men who committed the murder. The killers were caught quickly. I, too, will wait to see what happens, and am very curious to learn more about the bottlenecks vs cooperation the U.S. authorities encounter in Aruba. When it's all said and done, a complete report, I'm sure, will be released to the news media. Robert
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Old Jun 10th, 2005, 08:09 AM
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P.S.; the facts are already in that the car driven by the 3 men wasn't inspected by any one. Now, hopefully, it is being inspected due to the outside pressure. Robert
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Old Jun 10th, 2005, 08:41 AM
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Where did you see that, about the car not being inspected?
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Old Jun 10th, 2005, 08:44 AM
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Do you remember when a young woman about that same age disappeared off a cruise ship maybe 15 years ago? Wasn't that Aruba? Or was it somewhere else? And, if it was, did they ever find her?
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Old Jun 10th, 2005, 08:49 AM
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The Bradley girl. Her mom was on the Today show this morning. She was missing after docking in Curacao. She was on board after they sailed from Aruba. Passengers had not been allowed off the ship yet into Curacao but they think a crew member could have gotter her off. Or she could have been thrown overboard. The cruise line tried to claim that she jumped.
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Old Jun 10th, 2005, 08:53 AM
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While reading related articles from a google search yesterday, I read that a girl 7 years ago, about the same age was last seen on the cruise ship at 5:30 am, was missing ab 6:15am. She has never been found. The story mentioned 3 workers on the boat invited her to go-ironically-Carlos and Charlies, it didn't say if she accepted. I believe her name is Amy Bradley. The parents came forward to share the nightmare they have lived for these last 7 years--poor souls. I hope and pray for a safe return. Carol
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Old Jun 10th, 2005, 08:55 AM
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PS: I said ALL the facts.
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