Sydney or Bangkok?

Old Jan 29th, 2005, 02:41 AM
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Hey Liz, Rookwood's always nice, unusual!
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Old Jan 29th, 2005, 06:57 AM
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Please stop fighting on my post and tell me about Sydney
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Old Jan 29th, 2005, 11:34 AM
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Oh you are a Party-Pooper Richard. Ok if you have 12 days then split your time between the two 5 in B'kok and 5 in Sydney and travel in beteen and that should be a good split. 5 days in B'kok will give you the highlights and you will have had enough of the oppressive humidity by then.
April in Sydney is a terrific month, the weather is lovely and the surrounds will be also.
There are many, many things you can find to do in Sydney from exploring the historic Rocks section, the harbour, the beaches.
A trip to the Blue Mountains is lovely too and here I will answer one poster who said that it was a "rip off" because they are not big - true, but obviously that poster did no research as no-one has ever suggested that they were and that is not the reason people go there anyway. The Blue Mountains is an ecological delight with hiking paths everywhere and down on the valley floors there are many beautiful waterfalls and unique animals and plants - one of which was only rediscovered recently having been thought extinct for many years. Its beauty lies in its villages, caves, views and ambiance.
Sydney itself is a cosmopolitan, vibrant city with all that goes with that.
There is no comparison between Sydney and B'kok as they are as different as say Istanbul is to Anchorage but each has its own interesting aspects and each is worthy of a visit. B'kok because of its unique cultural aspects perhaps and Sydney because of its beauty and charm as well as its own cultural aspects, which will be different from your own but not in such stark contrast as perhaps B'kok.
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Old Jan 30th, 2005, 01:49 AM
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What is Istanbul like?
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Old Jan 30th, 2005, 11:28 AM
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Istanbul? Its fabulous as is the rest of Turkey, very interesting particularly the historical aspect and geographical aspects as well. I found Istanbul to be probably one of 'the' most intersting places in "Europe/Asia" and would love to go again. The beaches down the south west are lovely and everyone was very friendly. However, I have always been a fan of parts of the Middle East and if I had only one more place that I could go to my choice would be to return to Jordon and spend more time in Petra ( which I think is the ultimate place that one should see before they die).
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Old Jan 30th, 2005, 02:56 PM
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Richard-

If you do your planning and research, you will enjoy either Bangkok or Sydney.

We just got back from Bangkok over the holidays- the weather was hot but bearable. Although the traffic is still horrendous, we found the air quality to be much cleaner than in the past. The Sky train and Subway make for cool and clean movement around much of the city, and even the taxis are cool and cheap despite the long commute times on the road.

The hotels and restaurants are wonderful and cheap and the shopping is fabulous.
In addition, the people are very kind and the temples and local markets and neighborhoods fascinating. There are many ways to get out of the tourist loop and see the Thai culture in the city.
You will definitely know that you "aren't in Kansas anymore"

Sydney is a whole different experience.. It a civilised western style city. That said though, it is a really nice city with lots of interesting things to do: We loved the beaches, the bridge climb, the markets, the pubs, and the friendly and interesting locals and their culture. I hope to go back sometime soon.

I don't think you'll be unhappy with either city, but I would not attempt these two countries in 12 days. Instead, I'd go to Australia OR Thailand and visit two cities.
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Old Jan 31st, 2005, 12:46 PM
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I was surprised originally when Liz said she preferred Singapore to Bangkok as I found Singapore almost antiseptic ( a decided change from the days when the fabulous smell of spices hit your senses as soon as you left the plane!).However perhaps I too need to revisit as she did? It certainly is attractive in terms of plants and trees etc but I feel it has (or had?) lost personality ( can a city have one?).I too find Bangkok polluted and the traffic has always been horrendous but I still find it fascinating. I'm wondering, since I haven't been since the skytrain was introduced, whether that has made much difference to the traffic situation? Also is there an underground railway there these days? Cheers!
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Old Jan 31st, 2005, 01:22 PM
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I don't think the Skytrain has alleviated traffic any...there are still way too many cars on the roads.

We did find it to be a wonderful way to zip around the city..very fast, clean and cool. for 100 baht per day you can have unlimited rides.

We used it a lot...often taking it to the nearest station, then cabbing or walking fronm the station to our actual destination. In 10 minutes we could get 1/2 way across the city. 10 minutes in a cab will often just get you around the block!

There is a new subway as well...just opened a couple months ago. It connects with the Skytrain and covers a different route, so you have even more options to avoid the streets!
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OK - beemersgalore - I loved the National Museum and said so. What was snide about my reply? What else do you do in Singapore but eat and shop? Go on - sell it to me as a destination (rather than a stopover) please? For itself and in comparison to other "Asian" destinations?

You say it's your "new countrÿ" - what was the old?
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Old Feb 1st, 2005, 01:30 PM
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bemergallore, your attack on alice13 was ill-mannered (rather ironic for someone advocating "Asian good manners"!)and unwarranted. This is NOT merely an "information" forum for people to tell you where something is and how to get to it; any travel brochure, with its maps and pictures, could fulfil that function much more effectively. We try to give something "extra": as residents (or past visitors) to Australia, we editorialise, as the brochures never could, about our own personal preferences which maybe you'd like to share, or the particular frustrations which made our lives a misery, which perhaps you'd like to learn from. It is perfectly reasonable, therefore, to be critical of a PLACE; a tirade against a PERSON, however (especially one with the good reputation of alice13, who has helped so many of us on this forum)is less-excusable. If, as you say, you come from Singapore, you are in a great position to advise people on the Asia forum who need help planning their Singapore holiday. Yet, when I just now did a search of that forum, I couldn't find you, either when I entered your pen-name or when I entered "Singapore" (I did, interestingly enough, find alice13 several times). Does this mean that you would rather demean people than help them, or do you simply change your pen name when you decide to throw stones?

Alice13: am looking forward, as always, to reading more of your excellent and well-thought-out appraisals, be they positive or negative.
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Old Feb 2nd, 2005, 11:34 AM
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Well it looks like I will have to answer Alan who has championed Alice13 because I did to her just what she had done to someone else. It amuses me tho' to see how someone jumps to her aid but does not jump on her for being such a So and So, whether or not she has given negative or positive reports. She was just plain rude or perhaps she just does not read things properly or understands them.
You will not have found my ID because when I moved to Australia for my Post Graduate studies I had to change it as I was using someone's PC and I have not bothered to change it since.
However I have been writing on the different boards for some time now whenever I got the time.
In reply to Alice regarding Singapore here are but a few of the things you could do.
Zoo and gardens with perhaps the night safari. Jurong Bird Park. Sentosa - which yes is a bit of a theme park feeling. - Pulau Ubin island where you can see what Singapore was like 30 years ago. Kasu Island for snorkling amongst other things.
Walk the historic trail in Singapore. Visit the 13 museums and Heritage Centres.
Visit the Buhat Tamar National Reserve where on 164 hect. you will find more species of plants than in the whole of the North American continent.
There are a further 12 Nature parks and reserves.
Perhaps a time in the 11 themed attractions followed by the 7 WW2 sites.
Take a visit to Jahore Baru and spend a day there.
All this BEFORE you start to do any shopping which incidently I feel is expensive compared with Australia - but whatever.
Finally Alice you asked where I am from - Singapore - and now I am here to finish my Post Graduate Degree.

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