Revised Fodor's Forums guidelines
Jun 8th, 2010, 08:32 AM
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So there you have it:
'I'm a member of a special clique, so I can breach the guidelines as I like. I'm very important and I log-in a lot, and the place wouldn't be the same without me.
'If I'm not going to be allowed to post in breach of the guidelines I'm going to hold my breath until I turn blue.
'I've been breaching the guidelines for years, so I'll carry on doing so.
'I find my own postings and those of my clique funny, so neither I nor they have to stick to the guidelines.
'I sometimes post on-topic, so I can breach the guidelines when I like.' (Try, 'I stick to the speed limit half the time, so I'm entitled to speed the rest of the time.' Very reasonable.)
'Actually I don't care about anyone except my clique, and if you don't like that we breach the guidelines, post pointless one-liners, and post simply to attack, mock, or drive away those we don't like, then go away and post somewhere else.'
Fortunately, the actual owner of the site has rules intended to create a welcoming environment for those who are not part of the clique. Let's hope they actually get enforced, the travel talk stays in the travel sections, and the other painful chit-chat, which the site in fact freely allows (so all this pouting and stamping of feet is neither here nor there) goes to the lounge section where it belongs. Unfortunately personal attacks, petty vendettas, ganging up on newcomers, etc. are still forbidden in the Lounge, too. So unreasonable.
'I'm a member of a special clique, so I can breach the guidelines as I like. I'm very important and I log-in a lot, and the place wouldn't be the same without me.
'If I'm not going to be allowed to post in breach of the guidelines I'm going to hold my breath until I turn blue.
'I've been breaching the guidelines for years, so I'll carry on doing so.
'I find my own postings and those of my clique funny, so neither I nor they have to stick to the guidelines.
'I sometimes post on-topic, so I can breach the guidelines when I like.' (Try, 'I stick to the speed limit half the time, so I'm entitled to speed the rest of the time.' Very reasonable.)
'Actually I don't care about anyone except my clique, and if you don't like that we breach the guidelines, post pointless one-liners, and post simply to attack, mock, or drive away those we don't like, then go away and post somewhere else.'
Fortunately, the actual owner of the site has rules intended to create a welcoming environment for those who are not part of the clique. Let's hope they actually get enforced, the travel talk stays in the travel sections, and the other painful chit-chat, which the site in fact freely allows (so all this pouting and stamping of feet is neither here nor there) goes to the lounge section where it belongs. Unfortunately personal attacks, petty vendettas, ganging up on newcomers, etc. are still forbidden in the Lounge, too. So unreasonable.
Jun 8th, 2010, 09:20 AM
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I didn't know that PeterNH had a business connection to Fodor's. I'm interested to hear an answer to HT's question.
(I'm also curious as to whether PNH provides info in the book as stuffpumperously as he does here, but that's a question for another day.)
(I'm also curious as to whether PNH provides info in the book as stuffpumperously as he does here, but that's a question for another day.)
Jun 8th, 2010, 09:36 AM
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I have not seen any evidence that PeterN_H has any business connection to Fodor's. The list of contributor's to Fodor's China guide (6th edition) does NOT include Mr.NH:
http://www.amazon.com/Fodors-China-6...der_1400008255
Neither does the fifth edition.
http://www.amazon.com/Fodors-China-6...der_1400008255
Neither does the fifth edition.
Jun 8th, 2010, 10:10 AM
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HT? You been giving out bogus info? PNH's web page sez he works for Fodor's competitors, but no mention of Fodor's.
Time to clear the air.
(And a message to PNH, via EB White: Omit unnecessary words.)
Time to clear the air.
(And a message to PNH, via EB White: Omit unnecessary words.)
Jun 8th, 2010, 10:15 AM
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To continue, I seethe when misleading information is posted on this very site. Don't we have an obligation to truth? Mr. Dogster clearly indicated that he would arrive in Bangkok on 10 June. What is he doing there now? Or is Mr. Hanuman leading us astray for personal gain?
Jun 8th, 2010, 10:16 AM
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Peter, I must admit that I found your last post stunning in its honesty until I got to the later part of the post and realized you weren't confessing your own transgressions.
Let me quote the guidelines: "Please remain civil and refrain from personal attacks on other posters. Sarcasm, no matter its intent, is a tricky thing to interpret online and may be perceived as a personal attack."
Let me quote the guidelines: "Please remain civil and refrain from personal attacks on other posters. Sarcasm, no matter its intent, is a tricky thing to interpret online and may be perceived as a personal attack."
Jun 8th, 2010, 10:29 AM
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Is it possible that someone is feeling a little left out; maybe after "de-friending" so many who even slightly disagreed with him, that he now has no friends left?
We know that some people might enjoy tightening the rules here; maybe the same people who have a commercial web site with rules like:
" Don't ask any question that has been asked before",
"Don't ask questions that you could find in my guide book",
"Under no circumstances are you to question my opinions or advice", and,
"If I hear you are looking for advice elsewhere, I will ban you from my site"
Anyway, I'm guessing the new rules were intended to clarify the recently increased editing on the more contentious boards like the lounge and Europe, and were only posted here as a notice, not to indicate that we on the Asia board are guilty of anything.
At least, I hope so.
PS I just got back from two weeks with no Fodor's access, and I survived. Questions here got answered without me, and my own questions were answered through other, offline methods. I came back today because I like to participate, not pontificate.
We know that some people might enjoy tightening the rules here; maybe the same people who have a commercial web site with rules like:
" Don't ask any question that has been asked before",
"Don't ask questions that you could find in my guide book",
"Under no circumstances are you to question my opinions or advice", and,
"If I hear you are looking for advice elsewhere, I will ban you from my site"
Anyway, I'm guessing the new rules were intended to clarify the recently increased editing on the more contentious boards like the lounge and Europe, and were only posted here as a notice, not to indicate that we on the Asia board are guilty of anything.
At least, I hope so.
PS I just got back from two weeks with no Fodor's access, and I survived. Questions here got answered without me, and my own questions were answered through other, offline methods. I came back today because I like to participate, not pontificate.
Jun 8th, 2010, 10:49 AM
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The gentleman Mr. Hanuman is currently entertaining is not the Dogster. He is a fraud. Carol met him too.
It is possible, of course, that WE are the only people in here, each hosting our share of an eternal Fod-Hog Day tea-party, prattling into infinity, desperate to carve our non-identity into blackest cyberspace.
Who am I? Without Fodor's, maybe I don't know... perhaps I AM in Bangkok, after all.
It is possible, of course, that WE are the only people in here, each hosting our share of an eternal Fod-Hog Day tea-party, prattling into infinity, desperate to carve our non-identity into blackest cyberspace.
Who am I? Without Fodor's, maybe I don't know... perhaps I AM in Bangkok, after all.
Jun 8th, 2010, 11:09 AM
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Let me just say I ain't hosting nor attending no "eternal Fod-Hog Day tea-party." I'm just plain procrastinating. I do believe you may be in Bangkok since you haven't made any changes to your website in the last day or so. LOL.
Jun 8th, 2010, 11:20 AM
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How can we compare the new guidelines without a copy of the old guidelines? What's the difference? How can we know we've sinned without knowing the rules?
When I was in graduate school, a faculty member would stand in the back of the seminar room as students tremblingly described various research articles. Inevitably, as the student finished a presentation, the professor more often than not would bellow out, "So what's the big deal about that?"
When I was in graduate school, a faculty member would stand in the back of the seminar room as students tremblingly described various research articles. Inevitably, as the student finished a presentation, the professor more often than not would bellow out, "So what's the big deal about that?"
Jun 8th, 2010, 12:12 PM
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Hi everyone,
As Kathie stated above, only Fodor's editors have an icon. Anyone without an icon is posting their own opinion. It's true that similar guidelines existed before, but we have added more detail to more effectively moderate the boards.
As Kathie stated above, only Fodor's editors have an icon. Anyone without an icon is posting their own opinion. It's true that similar guidelines existed before, but we have added more detail to more effectively moderate the boards.
Jun 8th, 2010, 01:44 PM
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Hi everyone,
I also wanted to clear up point 6 in the revised guidelines “Don’t monopolize the boards.” This guideline is two fold: one, to prevent user from posting under multiple identities and user names, which can be confusing to other members of the community, and two, to allow everyone a chance to be heard.
An Original Poster (OP) shouldn't feel as though they "own" any thread they start. Instead, the OP should be happy to entertain differing viewpoints. By the same token a forum is not a blog---it's a place for two-way conversation, and if one voice begins to drown out all the others we want to be able to gently remind that voice to give others a chance to speak.
I hope that helps to clear things up.
I also wanted to clear up point 6 in the revised guidelines “Don’t monopolize the boards.” This guideline is two fold: one, to prevent user from posting under multiple identities and user names, which can be confusing to other members of the community, and two, to allow everyone a chance to be heard.
An Original Poster (OP) shouldn't feel as though they "own" any thread they start. Instead, the OP should be happy to entertain differing viewpoints. By the same token a forum is not a blog---it's a place for two-way conversation, and if one voice begins to drown out all the others we want to be able to gently remind that voice to give others a chance to speak.
I hope that helps to clear things up.
Jun 8th, 2010, 02:40 PM
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Ah, tea parties. May we all be spared. Prolly Dogster doesn't know what a can of worms he may have opened . . .
Amy, please do let us know the difference between the old guidelines and the new guidelines.
Amy, please do let us know the difference between the old guidelines and the new guidelines.
Jun 8th, 2010, 02:54 PM
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This is Amy's response to the question when it was posed in another forum:
"Thanks to everyone for the constructive feedback.
We have decided not to post both versions of the guidelines to avoid confusion. The biggest revisions to the guidelines are as follows:
-More details added to the "keep it positive" section
-An additional section on monopolizing the boards
-Additional details about trolls "
"Thanks to everyone for the constructive feedback.
We have decided not to post both versions of the guidelines to avoid confusion. The biggest revisions to the guidelines are as follows:
-More details added to the "keep it positive" section
-An additional section on monopolizing the boards
-Additional details about trolls "
Jun 8th, 2010, 03:00 PM
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I'd like to see both versions. I'm reasonably intelligent, so promise not to be "confused."
It's hard to know what we might have done wrong. Can we have both versions, please? I started reading this board about a year ago, so don't have "ancient history" with this site.
It's hard to know what we might have done wrong. Can we have both versions, please? I started reading this board about a year ago, so don't have "ancient history" with this site.
