Why so much carry on luggage?

May 25th, 2006, 06:20 PM
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Some of you think that not having carry ons should be rewarded somehow. Well, I believe that the airlines don't agree with you. The more people that bring all their luggage as a carry on, the less luggage handlers needed. Airlines would love it if they could force everybody to have carry ons only.

Why do you think they are installing deeper bins so the 21"ers can go in wheels first? It's an expense that most US airlines can't afford at the moment, yet that is one expense they are willing to justify.

So, if anybody is to be rewarded by the airline it's the people that don't need the services of the luggage employees.
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May 25th, 2006, 06:54 PM
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True, fewer checked bags = fewer lost and damageed bags = fewer complains to the DOT, etc.

But for the airline, the problem with lots of carry-ons is that it takes longer to load a plane. That means longer turn-around time, gate congestions, more delays, etc.

What I'm afraid is that with the larger overhead bins, people will simply try to bring even larger bags. Meaning, it's still going to take a long time to load.
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May 26th, 2006, 06:36 AM
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This is a pet peeve of mine! I'm getting tired of getting to my seat & seeing the overhead bin full w/2 rollaboards. If the row has 3 seats, then there should be space for items for ALL 3 PASSENGERS. Last time I checked, ALL carryon items must be of a size so that they can be stored under the seat. So, why not make the rollaboarders stow them under the seat? That way, there would be more room in the overhead bins. Or, even better, why don't all airlines follow BA's lead -- 13lb. MAX on carryon items?!?

To the other posters who have complained about theft of items in checked luggage, why on earth would you put valuables in checked luggage???? That's like complaining that someone stole your car when you left the keys in the ignition and the doors unlocked . . .

And cynic, didn't you realize that BWI is better known as the Pit of Hell???

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May 26th, 2006, 07:29 AM
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This is a tough issue with lots of good arguments on both sides. It seems to come down to a conflict between what is optimal for the individual and what is optimal for the group as a whole. (Fallacy of Composition?)

One puzzling issue for me. What is with the sense of privilege I see related to the business traveler?

I understand the argument people are making for bringing on big carry-ons. But why are those benefits more important if you are a business traveler? Why do I care how many time you fly, when you scheduled your meeting, or how many hours you work in a week?
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May 26th, 2006, 08:52 AM
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A business traveler shouldn't have a sense of priviledge, but a traveler that flies a lot on a particular airline on business (i.e. spending lots of money on that airline) should.

And they do. They will have elite status, so they have a chance of upgrade, they can board first so to have a first crack at the overhead storage space, etc. I don't see anything wrong with a business taking care of their best customers.
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May 26th, 2006, 09:04 AM
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I think you hit the nail on the head there. In particular - you have IDed the source of at least some of the bitter tone in this thread.

The issue is that a 'ticket' is not a 'ticket'. In the eyes of the airline - a full-fare freq-flier is gold and a discount vacation traveler is trash (ok - I am exagerating - but you get the idea.)

I just don't understand why the airlines haven't made this fact more explicit when it comes to carry-ons. In theory you would expect that they let the high value customers carry on steamer trunks while the low value customers can carry on a tooth brush.
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May 26th, 2006, 09:06 AM
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It's not that a businessperson needs anybody's approval or understanding, it's because we know how to do it.

Many do this on a regular basis so with time they figured out what works the best and is still within the airline's guidelines. The airlines allow 2 pieces of baggage, a 21" roller and a computer bag (an unfair advantage to a businesswoman, as she is allowed a 3rd piece, her purse, but hey, them are the breaks ).

As long as we do stay within the guidelines, then I don't see any "privilaged" perk.

We just know how to pack and not circumvent the guidelines. and just because it annoys you, well, them are the breaks.......
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May 26th, 2006, 09:10 AM
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After being a victim of lost luggage on Mexicana this past summer - and it being delivered 3 MONTHS later, and the fact that we have a tight connection on our flight from JFK to London, I will be adding to the misery of all those aboard by carrying on my luggage. Not only me, but my husband and two kids as well!
Some people have a good reason to carry-on and shouldn't be lumped into a "those-people" category. Charge me per pound then if I'm over the limit, or guarantee that I will make my connections- then I will check everything including my underwear at the gate!
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May 26th, 2006, 09:31 AM
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I just wonder what the airlines would do if EVERYONE on the plane started carrying on the maximum allowable amount of carry ons. I guess anyone
a) seated in the front half of the plane or
b) arriving late for the flight
would have to check everything.

How many people make an effort to get seated in the back of the plane just to be sure they have room for all their carry ons?
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May 26th, 2006, 01:10 PM
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Actually, if passangers carried on the allowed items and stowed them properly, there would be little problem.

Business travelers and vacationers both take liberties with the rules which makes for problems. Most of the business travelers on this board are experienced enough to know what we can bring aboard and stay within the rules.

I will always put my computer bag under the seat in front of me and if I have a rollaboard it will go overhead.

Arriving last minute to the airport or having a tight deadline for making a meeting is not a ticket to bypass the rules. Yes, carryons are necessary, but the rules need to be enforced.
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May 26th, 2006, 04:20 PM
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Thanks, rkkwan! I HATE RJ's!! Too much turbulence

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May 26th, 2006, 10:10 PM
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My family will be carrying on our luggage, packed by me, a frequent business traveler who knows the limitations of what we can and cannot bring on board.

We do not care to spend another summer vacation without luggage, nor spend our free time shopping for clothes instead of seeing the sights and relaxing, thank you. If the airline will guarantee I will have my luggage within a reasonable time at the luggage carousel, I'd be more than happy to check our luggage. Who wants to lug a suitcase down a narrow aisle anyway? Certainly not me if I can help it.

Until improvements are made, I will continue to take up only my allotment of an approved cabin carryon suitcase in the overhead compartment and no one else's.
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May 29th, 2006, 02:26 PM
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"The reason is baggage handling is incompetent and don't give a damn. Ever watch the way these people throw your baggage onto the carts?"

I take serious offense to this...even if it is from 2004. My husband is one of "these people" and if you think it's easy lugging some guys 100 lb suitcase into the belly of an airplane, you're sadly mistaken. If you have to tape your suitcase with duct tape and tie it with rope, maybe it's too full. People need to seriously cut down on what they pack, be it carry on or checked baggage. The airlines are starting to crack down on the amount of checked baggage but that's only moving the problem to carry on. I know from experience, you can do without the ten pairs of shoes!

As well, maybe you're not aware but station attendants also marshall in aircraft, clean the aircraft, dump toilets, etc. as well as offload/load bags. So cut them a little slack...in the days of airline downsizing they're often understaffed and overworked.

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May 30th, 2006, 05:59 AM
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Always AMAZES me when people resurrect years-old threads -- there was a 2-yr. gap here.

Nonetheless, let me restate the sub-pet-peeve within this major pet-peeve. I'm increasingly seeing those with rear-row seats stow their carry-on stuff in forward bins, on their way back to taking their seats. Presumably this is so they don't have to carry them all the back to their own and can pick them up on their way off the plane. But what on earth do they think people in forward rows are supposed to do? -- bring THEIR carryons all the way back to the rear bins? This selfish short-cut deserves all the complaints and loud booing it may get -- and ought to be monitored by cabin crew.

I know this happens because I see it when traveling with elite-status spouse and can take my forward-row coach seat early, thereby witnessing all the row 42 people who drop their bags off in the bins above row 5.
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May 30th, 2006, 04:01 PM
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mamaj I have absoulutley no problem with your plan as long as your carry ons meet airline restrictions and you stow it properly in the bins over your row(s) and under the seats in front of you.
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May 31st, 2006, 05:58 AM
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soccr, that is my biggest pet peeve, too. Arrgh.
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