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Need help with AA mileage flights to Africa from US East Coast - for 4

Need help with AA mileage flights to Africa from US East Coast - for 4

Jan 24th, 2010, 11:12 AM
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Sorry - TATL is shorthand for "transatlantic."

As for the stopover bit, the rules for AA Oneworld awards are that you're allowed one stopover and no more than two transits at any one point. A stopover means more than 24 hrs. in that location.

Thus, for example, a route that went Boston - London (transit) - Madrid (stopover) - London (transit) - Joburg... then later, Joburg - London (transit) - Boston would be "illegal" since you'd have 3 transits (plane changes) in London with no 24+ hr. stopover. So in that case one of your trips to/through London would have to be in conjunction with a stopover at London of more than 24 hrs.

If I just do BOS/LHR/JNB/LHR/BOS, what am I looking at for miles, do you know?

You can't do that route using an AA "Oneworld" award, because that award type requires you to use two Oneworld airlines besides AA. Only AA and BA among Oneworld carriers operate between Boston and London, and using AA miles you can't use BA between the US and UK anyway. So that itinerary (BOS-LHR-JNB-LHR-BOS) would have to be done as an AA "All-partners" award rather than an AA "Oneworld award" and consequently would require 150,000 miles per person in business, and no stopover in Europe would be allowed at all. The mileage distance flown is irrelevant for "All-partners" awards.

LHR is easier because there's lots more capacity - bigger planes and more of them.
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Jan 24th, 2010, 11:35 AM
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162,500 - if go bos/lhr/jnb/lhr/bos and stay a few days in London?

Here's the All Partners chart http://www.aa.com/i18n/disclaimers/a...rtnerChart.jsp

Stopping over in LHR in one direction would break it into 3 one ways, North America-Europe 50,000 + Europe-Africa 37,500 + Africa-North America 75,000.
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Jan 24th, 2010, 11:44 AM
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Look, this is a complex trip, and planning it is a complex task. Right now, the best thing that the OP can be doing is studying and learning, after first dealing with a fundamental question:

- Deciding whether it is more important to get award tickets for everyone, or for everyone to fly on the same flights. If it's essential that everyone fly on the same flight, then you will not get 4 business seats. The rest of your planning is pointless without an answer to this question.

- Studying especially the different types of awards (all-partner and OneWorld) that she can get with her miles. All of that info is available on the AA site, and any questions can be answered here.

- Learning how to use helpful tools. The Great Circle Mapper (http://gc.kls2.com/) shows mileage between cities, and it's essential when planning a mileage-based award.
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Feb 3rd, 2010, 07:08 AM
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Gardyloo/ Rizutto or Patty - I try to get to Africa as much as possible usually flying to JNB out of Boston. I currently accumulate my FF miles on Delta, but their recent program changes have caused me to shop around for alternatives. Once question I have as I look at AA as an alternative is does AA charge fuel surcharge taxes on their FF tickets for the BA or Iberia portions of an itinerary?
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Feb 3rd, 2010, 08:48 AM
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AA doesn't charge fuel surcharge for award tickets on any partners that I'm aware of.
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Feb 3rd, 2010, 12:31 PM
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Yeah, I just booked Nairobi - London - Nairobi in business class for a colleague and it came to 75,000 AA miles and around US$200 in taxes, principally the UK passenger duty. No surcharges. On BA I believe the YQ (fuel) surcharge would be around US$330.
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Feb 3rd, 2010, 12:32 PM
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Oops - too quick. Meaning, if I had used BA miles I believe the surcharge would have been $330 or so.
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Feb 3rd, 2010, 04:29 PM
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Thanks Patty & Garyloo - that definitely makes AA a viable alternative to Delta for me.

That fuel charge difference makes AA a much better option than BA for FF miles. I am using an economy FF ticket this month with BA miles via BOS-LHR-JNB and it cost me $644 in taxes and fuel surcharges.
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Aug 8th, 2010, 07:45 AM
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Yahoo! I can start looking for my outbound seats!

Gardyloo - I feel really stupid, but I can't seem to find an award seat calendar on british airways. (I did as you suggested and signed up for their executive club). I find the link to "spending miles" and "check reward flight availability", but that's as far as I can get. Do you know if I need to actually have miles to be able to use the calendar?
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Aug 8th, 2010, 08:35 AM
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Never mind Gardyloo - I was logged into BA - NOT to my executive club account (who knew they were different? ).

Off to planning!
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Aug 8th, 2010, 08:50 AM
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I would also price Delta and South African Airways for their nonstops to JNB from the states-for peace of mind having a definite flight for an expensive safari?
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Aug 9th, 2010, 05:20 AM
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Aug 17th, 2010, 06:48 AM
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And we're off...

To recap:

I am working on getting 4 business class, all-partner oneworld award flights, 130,000 miles each. I have on hold until Aug 22 the following:

29-Jun-2011 AA 124 BOS/LHR depart 22:00, arrive 30-Jun 9:35
05-Jul-2011 BA 55 LHR/JNB depart 19:05 arrive 6-Jul 6:55

I need to book a one way ticket (air botswana) JNB/MUB 06-Jul; depart 10:10 arrive 12:10. Do they have an alliance with anyone?

Then, when seats are released, I need book the following:

18-Jul-2011 LVI/BOS. This will be BA LVI/JNB, and IB JNB/MAD/BOS.

Does this all make sense? Is there another route you can think of that I should look at for the return?


I'm pretty excited I was able to get the 4 BC award seats from Bos to LHR & then to JNB.
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Aug 17th, 2010, 07:37 AM
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Only concern is what if you can't get IB direct to MAD. A fallback option would be JNB BA LHR IB/BA MAD IB BOS. You need IB in there somewhere for a Oneworld award.
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Aug 17th, 2010, 08:42 AM
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A caution: IB is known to change their schedules, especially the MAD-BOS route, frequently -- both in terms of flight times and days of operation.

As for Air Botswana, they do not partner with anyone, nor, as far as I can tell, do they have baggage agreements with anyone.
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Aug 30th, 2010, 06:39 AM
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I have 3 of the 4 most important legs on hold. I can get from BOS to LHR (AA); do my 5 day stop; then I can get from LHR to JNB(BA); and return JNB to MAD(IB). I have the 2 partner carriers for the one world all-partner - what I can't get is MAD to BOS or JFK. I have the above legs on hold until tomorrow; and there appears to be availability to move the trip on the other 3 legs by a few days and still get the flights, which will get me another 5 days. The return date needs to be somewhere around July 19. Any suggestions?
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Aug 30th, 2010, 12:19 PM
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Ask about MAD-LHR on BA or IB then LHR-JFK on AA. There looks to be availability on several flights around 7/19-7/20.
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Aug 30th, 2010, 01:31 PM
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Tried that - they say no. So close, yet so far...
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Sep 4th, 2010, 07:03 AM
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SCORE!!!!!!!!!!

4 business class award tickets!!!

AA BOS/LHR 7:15pm/6:50am
BA LHR/JNB 7:05pm/6:55am
IB JNB/MAD 8:25PM/6:35AM
AA MAD/JFK 10:00AM/12:15PM

Not perfect, but pretty darn good! They're on hold until Sep 9, so I'll continue working on getting the "perfect" flights. I would rather fly back into Boston, but JFK works, and I'm still hoping to get the LVI/JNB portion as part of the award ticket. Total cost, fees & booking, $1,474.40, 520,000 miles.

Thanks for all the help!!!!!! I am so excited!
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Sep 4th, 2010, 07:16 AM
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Congratulations! Getting 4 business class seats together to Africa is quite an accomplishment - you are to be commended for your perseverance.

Good luck on the LVI segment too.
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