Tipping a self-employed guide

Old Dec 5th, 2008, 05:55 PM
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I for one do NOT think that race should make a difference! I tip my guidesbased on the service they provide....if it is above and beyond the "normal" or if I have a great time, I tip well! I don't care if the individual is the owner or the lowliest housekeeper. The race of the person is really not an issue- we/they all need to pay their bills and care for families!
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Old Dec 5th, 2008, 07:57 PM
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Hi Sherry,

I would think you are wasting your time reading and responding to Pippa/Divine's posts. My suggestion to you is to ignore.... that's what I propose to do having read all the insensitive postings of Divine54 in the Mumbai related threads in the lounge. They were very insulting/disgusting at a time when my whole country is shaken up and has left many of us thinking if life as we know it will be the same again.......
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Old Dec 5th, 2008, 08:43 PM
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Agree with HariS about divine54, I learned a long time ago to ignore divine54 posts here on this forum. I do not reply to anything they write. Sad that new posters have to learn this themselves the hard way.

regards - tom
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Old Dec 6th, 2008, 02:41 AM
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I agree with both Hari and Tom. If Div is ignored she would probably go away but come back as someone else. The solution would be to do what many forums allow, to selectively block viewing posts by certain individuals. This selective blocking allows each viewer to block post that they find offensive, from their own computers. In the meantime, Hari and Tom offer the best solution, ignore, ignore, ignore.
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Old Dec 6th, 2008, 03:57 AM
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The original question has been sort of lost but I found the responses very interesting. We haven't been to Africa (yet - had to cancel our trip next month due to the market meltdown) but having used self employed guides all over Asia, South America and the Middle East I have to admit it never occurred to me not to tip them because they were self employed. We tip for great service and we received great service.

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Old Dec 6th, 2008, 05:03 AM
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Good advise that I usually take to heart and will from here on in......
...... maybe, LOL.

I guess I'm still sore from the way this person recently and quite viciously attacked an entire group.

Just can't sit on my hands sometimes and allow her to get away with it.
As said above, the editors shouldn't allow this person and her multi handles to post.
Sorry for the hijack.
Peace all.
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Old Dec 6th, 2008, 06:39 AM
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So sorry your trip had to be cancelled, Elizabeth S.

Hopefully you'll go in the future.
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Old Dec 6th, 2008, 07:47 AM
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that's exactltly what i posted.

guys - i am sure you knoew who i am responding to

I F you read my 2 first posts and your responses to it - based on the fact you are able to judge objectively which i heavily doubt - you yourself must come to the conclusion there is something terribly wrong with you.

but the cybor's "peace all" is just going over the top :=)

and hari, if you cannot stand if someone doesn't agree with you or doesn't burst into prayers (which especially here on fodors are mostly superficially seeming) as expected then you have got a problem.

but you forgot to mention my mumbai post which was in order to support the country.
BTW - i have got counterparts in india with which i have been working excellently and i dedicate a considerable amount of time to some projects. and i would stop immediately all of that if my business affiliates did show the slightest sign of the unreasoned hostility you are showing.
i don't consider you a true representative of the indian people.

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Old Dec 6th, 2008, 08:07 AM
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"I'm sure the Jews, blacks, women, gays and Americans that you've taken pot shots at lately will be more than willing to tone it down for your tender ears."

cybor, by nature i have been and always will be with minorities or under privileged.
and jews and americans certainly don't belong to that group.
but you are right - i came across several americans who showed quite openly racism against black people. and of course i had to jump in!
and especially americans who think they are "the chosen people living in the chosen country" make me sick!
and yes, i cannot stand jews blaming and especially undifferenciated members of the muslim society around the world for being responsible for terrorism.

and yes - i state my opinion regardless whether it serves your ego, interests or opinion.

if you cannot stand the heat - don't join the kitchen team.

this whole thread is a perfect example for a low key crowd which tries to mob another member. but believe you me: you won't succeed!

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Old Dec 6th, 2008, 08:30 AM
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<< will be with minorities or under privileged. and jews ...certainly don't belong to that group>>

This is probably better discussed in the Lounge, but Div, do you have figures on the number of Jews and Muslims in the world -- I'm sure Jews are substantially outnumbered and are a minority in every country, except one. Muslims, on the other hand, are the majority in many countries.
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Old Dec 6th, 2008, 08:33 AM
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ATTENTION FODORS EDITORS (Katie, are you there?). I think it's time to close this thread and to take a close look at allowing divine54 to continue to post. Threads he/she particpate in deteriorate and are destroying this forum. Time to exercise editorial discretion.
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desperation? for what reason?

i am sure the editors use their common sense and won't serve the intention of a certain clique.

this forum get seriously hurt by professionals who are hiding under an alias and try to sell their services.

you are right in view to numbers. but i don't just look at numbers but influential power especial in countries where these people have migrated to.

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I am a non-white tourist guide in South Africa...as many are aware. I would like to think that people tip me for a job well done. All the tourist guides here are self employed.

Some nationalities do not have a tipping culture and others do. However, i am sure that most travelers are aware of the tipping rule. So, some people get the standard tour and others get the extra's. If you are booking a tour with a company then be assured that you are getting more than you paid for because the guides get ripped off by their companies about how much time they spend on tour and what time they get back to the depot

A guides day starts at about 7h00 and ends at about 19h00. Its seldom shorter than that. If there is a dinner in the evening it continues till about 23h00.

If you are traveling overland with a guide you have no idea of the amount of organizing that goes on behind the scenes not to mention when someone loses luggage during a tour. What about when people arrive late and the guide has to make up time on the road. What about the fact that the itineraries that are often so badly prepared by someone behind a desk that has never even been to the places they are recommending and the guide has to juggle things around to make the itinerary work. Calling up hotels because someone has special dietry requirements or wants a special room. All cell phone calls are at his own expense. THE LIST IS ENDLESS.....

So, what do you think

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Old Dec 6th, 2008, 11:36 AM
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thanks for your input! very much appreciated.

when we travel we appreciate to speak with locals especially interact with our guides and drivers, barmen, waiters, security etc. in order to get an impression on their daily lives.
especially in south africa that's mostly a black person. we know that it's even 14 years beyond white apartheid ruling mostly the black guy who struggles being it the owner of a business which mostly means owning A van or A car. therefore we won't differentiate between owner and guide/driver.

we travel to south africa for far more than a decade and i don't think we need any guidance in that regard.
we want to have a good time and we simply feel good when we know we could make a difference.

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