Egypt- "The Safety" question answered

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Jan 3rd, 2004, 10:33 AM
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Egypt- "The Safety" question answered

I have been researching Egypt for a month now, pulling in as much information as I possibly could to make my decision to travel to Egypt a safe one (so cheap right now!!!). Through this research and after educated thought, we will unfortunatley not be going to Egypt. It simply is not a safe. The following recaps my "unsafe" justification:

It is nice that the Egyptian government has provided military escorts when traveling across country on buses and are present in small numbers at all major sites and hotels. However, that should be the only thing you need to know to really understand that Egypt is unsafe. Any country that has to protect tourism through military force has a problem. What do you think the possibility that the sole or few military police will be able to stop a group of Muslim bandits bent on killing tourists at a major site out in the middle of the desert or even hotels in the many remote places outside of Cairo proper? They could be easily overrun in minutes.

Not all Egyptians are full of hate towards Americans. But as one writer most exactly stated after a Egypt warn of caution: "90% of Egyptians are kind and look forward to see Americans (primarily to purchase thier wares or services), 10% of Egyptians strongly dislike Americans, and of that 10%, 1% would like to see Americans dead." I believe this to be true. There are many small groups in Egypt currently plotting death to Americans. If you do not believe this you are simply being ignorant. And why the need to blow up a passenger jet, when "easy pickings" abound? It is diffiuclt to plan and execute a jet bombing, but in comparison, easy to plan the death of vulnerable tourists. Or at a minimum, they could very easily make you sick or purposely pass a disease to you via the food you will consume. This will go virtually undetected and unproved to be done purposely (average 70% of visitors are sick in bed for 3 days- see Fodors Egypt review) and the questions of by whom and where on your travels did you contract will go unanswered. Do you know who is preparing your food in the hotel kitchen? Could be part of the 10% that dislike you or would like to see you dead.

With the feelings of Islamic Extremists growing stronger and more frustrated, I feel that there will soon be more strikes to Egyptian tourists. My feelings were soldified today after the bombing of the EgyptAir passenger jet. Was it just coincidence that Tony Blair (Bush's best buddy) was visiting Sharm el-Sheik at the same time a jet had a mysterious "accident" that killed 148 over the Red Sea? Sounds like 1999 EgyptAir to New York that killed 217 to me... Egypt of course is claiming this just an accident (their economy can not afford another tourist killing). One may never know exactly what happened. I find the timing very suspicious given Blair's rare visit and the recent high volume of Islamic chatter regarding passenger jet(s) that raised security and grounded many flights to and from America. Remember: It was an Islamic Egyptian that flew the jet(s) into the World Trade Center- not an Iraqi, Iranian, Libyan, etc.

I was really looking forward to visiting Egypt with quite a few $1000 (and less) offers for flight AND 5-star acomodations. However, the 1% of radical Islamic Egyptians are very dangerous and make it impossible to visit Egypt at this time. Unless you enjoy taking risks or are ignorant. The low prices are simply a risk/return trade-off. High risk now, low prices. Lower risks hopefully in the future, somewhat higher prices. Why risk your life? You are suppose to be on VACATION, right? Hopefully, by posting my opinion I just might save one American someday. For now visit somewhere safer and give your money to people that do not wish you dead...

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Jan 6th, 2004, 09:02 AM
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Yes, there is a small minority of Egyptians who may want Americans to die, just as I am sure there is a small ignorant minority of Americans who feel the same way about anyone from the Middle East.

Perhaps it is the environment in which I live, but I feel just as safe visiting the Great Pyramids as I do visiting the Empire State Building.
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Jan 6th, 2004, 11:37 AM
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Mazey,

I agree. I think it's just as likely I'll get shot in Brooklyn as in Cairo. And besides, as a New Yorker, I've been walking around feeling like a target for some time now - I'm used to it. However, I refuse to be frightened, or unreasonably limited.
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Jan 7th, 2004, 05:43 AM
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ncanavan -

Why in the world do you feel like a target walking around in NY? Maybe the "target" on a t-shirt?

I've lived here my entire life and have never ever felt that way. Besides, nowadays, NYC is reported to be one of the safest cities in the US.
 
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Jan 7th, 2004, 10:01 PM
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Terrorists have attacked NYC twice. And we did have, and still do have military presence at many places--Grand Central Station, last I looked.
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Jan 8th, 2004, 12:15 PM
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for your information. There is no information untill now that the plane was bomb. The plane was not of EgyptAir but Flash air. The airline was accused of the plane was not safe. There was a review of a Dutch passenger who traveled on this plane a few days before the accident. During the flight he was scared of the way this plane was acting.
I do travel a lot around the world. If you are scared, I think you better stay at home. You would not enjoy it anyway! But do not give information concerning the accident that is not correct and can scare people off to travel. It is making no sense that way, i.m.h.o.
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Jan 12th, 2004, 04:23 AM
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Aspen,

I can't help but wonder what is on your agenda considering the number of factual errors in your post. Are you the one, to use your term, who is ignorant, or are you deliberately trying to cause problems?

1. The police posted around hotels and tourists sites are cosmetic. Everybody knows that they could not stop a determined terrorist; however, you should have discovered for yourself that since the government began posting these officers several years ago, there have been no terrorist attacks in Egypt.

2. Please name a country anywhere in the world where you can not find at least 1% of the population that would like to see Americans dead. We are not and have never been the most popular people in the world.

3. If you are concerned about the food you eat, you will certainly not want to eat at any American fast food restaurants since a recent study has found that ALL of them have serious health issues. A child nearly died recently in Colorado after eating at one.

4. The plane that crashed near the red sea, as noted by others, was not Egyptian, it was French. It was also operated by a company that does not have a stellar history regarding maintenance. The Egypt Air crash from several years ago was pretty conclusively determined to have been caused by a pilot with personal problems, not a terrorist.

It sounds to me like you have a problem with Islam. It's probably wise that you stay home. Be sure and lock the doors and pull down the blinds.
 
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Feb 2nd, 2004, 05:23 AM
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Oh-so-Bucko - what sense you talk and what tripe Aspen talks! Seems like he is frightened of his own shadow! Being English, and a woman I am taking a vacation in Egypt this year, totally looking forward to it, I would be more scared walking around certain parts in my own country. The sort of attitude expressed by Aspen is like rolling over letting 'terrorists' win. I for one am not prepared to do that.
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Feb 3rd, 2004, 06:13 AM
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Gee Aspen! I don't know where you did your research but you couldn't be more wrong!! I just returned from Egypt 01/27/04, traveled solo with A & K as a blond woman and never encountered any of what you describe in your post. The Egyptian people our group of 14 met we extremely friendly and courious about America and Americans. Your research sound more like we encountered from the Chinese and Koreans in April 2000. They like American dollars. It is a shame that with all your research you are going to miss a wonderful opportunity to see a great country! I felt very safe there and never threatened unlike in some states in America.
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Mar 17th, 2004, 05:34 PM
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I have travelled to Egypt 2 times in 2003 and 2004 and to be honest I met only friendly curteous people. I see no alarm for panic saying it is not safe. I felt very safe as an american. I was treated with respect and yes I am a woman and was not looked down upon. I see you did not research correctly. If you travel there you will see many beautiful sights that you would not see if you stay home . You only live once so try to enjoy the time you have now! Take a chance and see things you only have dreamnt of seeing in the end what matters is that you conquered one of your fears and will feel better about yourself and life and most of all People!
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Mar 18th, 2004, 02:14 AM
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Itraveled to egypt and jordan with 7&9 year olds in april 02. except for the relentless souvenier sellers the people were very friendly .we spent 3 nights cairo 4 night cruise aswan-luxor 2 nights petra great trip.
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