sending an iphone to Greece
Feb 7th, 2013, 07:16 PM
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sending an iphone to Greece
My friend in Greece wants me to send him a iphone 5 unlocked to him...new It is much cheaper here and I want to send it as a gift. Does anyone know if he would have to pay duty or something on it? It would be tacky to send a gift. he would have to pay for! And what would be the best way to send it?
Feb 7th, 2013, 09:11 PM
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Best way to send it : Choose a company like UPS, and make sure it will be delivered by UPS Greece, and not by the the Hellenic Post, ELTA
Theoretically you should declare it as a gift, and your friend would not pay any taxes, up to a certain amount that represents the value of the gift...
There are random controls from the authorities and chances are that he will have to pay first to receive the package.
One year ago, i bought 4 Art Deco Lithographs from the USA through ebay for 20 U$, and when i went to pick it up at my local post office i had to pay 1,50 Euro first....
What i say is, that they are chances that he will be asked to pay taxes on the i phone, that might be quiet high..
( VAT is 23% in Greece)
Theoretically you should declare it as a gift, and your friend would not pay any taxes, up to a certain amount that represents the value of the gift...
There are random controls from the authorities and chances are that he will have to pay first to receive the package.
One year ago, i bought 4 Art Deco Lithographs from the USA through ebay for 20 U$, and when i went to pick it up at my local post office i had to pay 1,50 Euro first....
What i say is, that they are chances that he will be asked to pay taxes on the i phone, that might be quiet high..
( VAT is 23% in Greece)
Feb 7th, 2013, 10:49 PM
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"Gifts" sent to the EU worth less than about €50 (the number moves with inflation) are exempt from import duty and VAT.
Over that, the recipient has to pay import duty (on technology, trivial), VAT (in Greece, 23% of the sum of the retail value, import duty and transport) and the carrier's fee for administering all this.
You will need to provide a formal statement of value, in a tightly prescribed form. This is different if you're using a courier company from the form you'll complete if using your country's post office - but the carrier will give you the forms.
Misdeclaration is a criminal offence, for which the "recipient" in theory may be taken to court if suspected of collusion, or the goods seized. It also, of course, invalidates any insurance the sender might have taken out on the consignment.
Everything coming through mail or courier Customs is x-rayed. How strictly clues are followed up depends on the administration's attitude (Greece is a great deal more interested these days in maximising revenue than it's ever been) and workload.
Over that, the recipient has to pay import duty (on technology, trivial), VAT (in Greece, 23% of the sum of the retail value, import duty and transport) and the carrier's fee for administering all this.
You will need to provide a formal statement of value, in a tightly prescribed form. This is different if you're using a courier company from the form you'll complete if using your country's post office - but the carrier will give you the forms.
Misdeclaration is a criminal offence, for which the "recipient" in theory may be taken to court if suspected of collusion, or the goods seized. It also, of course, invalidates any insurance the sender might have taken out on the consignment.
Everything coming through mail or courier Customs is x-rayed. How strictly clues are followed up depends on the administration's attitude (Greece is a great deal more interested these days in maximising revenue than it's ever been) and workload.
Feb 7th, 2013, 11:03 PM
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Since you are speaking of Greece, i can only repeat that there are random controls, have received many e bay orders in the past without having to pay anything, even though the value was way higher than 50 Euros...
The difference between the Hellenic Post and a courier like UPS... is the very bad service of the Hellenic Post
The difference between the Hellenic Post and a courier like UPS... is the very bad service of the Hellenic Post
Feb 8th, 2013, 11:54 AM
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Think about taking a more unconventional approach. Look for someone going to Greece who will take it there for you and who will make sure your friend gets it. It should't be too hard to find someone who's willing from one of these travel advice websites. Depending on where in Greece your friend lives there are "Destination Experts" on tripadvisor.com who might be able to help you, or you can send a PM to those prospective travellers who have written in for advice and who are going there soon.
Feb 8th, 2013, 12:29 PM
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Unlocked and contract free iPhone 5 costs from $649 for the 16GB to $849 for the 64GB model in the Apple Store. Add to that shipping and insurance costs, plus VAT etc and your friend will have a very expensive phone. Is that really cheaper than he could get an iPhone under contract with Cosmote or Vodafone Greece? Most people buy iPhones under contract because they are heavily subsidised by the carrier.
Feb 8th, 2013, 03:40 PM
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Heimdall not when it comes to an I Phone....
The discount you get is ridiculous........
an i Phone 5 16 GB costs 739 Euro, 32 GB 855 Euro
( without a contract)
With a contract ( Vodafone) 16 GB cost 652.90 Euro
32 GB 768.90 Euro
The discount you get is ridiculous........
an i Phone 5 16 GB costs 739 Euro, 32 GB 855 Euro
( without a contract)
With a contract ( Vodafone) 16 GB cost 652.90 Euro
32 GB 768.90 Euro
Feb 8th, 2013, 11:56 PM
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Clausar, that's not a very generous discount, I have to agree. Still, when you add state sales tax in the US, shipping and insurance charges, and the 23% VAT the recipient would be legally obliged to pay, that makes the total cost of an unlocked US iPhone close to what you pay under contract in Greece.
The phone will come with a US charger plug, so the Greek friend will either have to buy an Apple euro charger plug or use an adapter.
The phone will come with a US charger plug, so the Greek friend will either have to buy an Apple euro charger plug or use an adapter.
Feb 9th, 2013, 01:15 AM
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Your friend can order it from another EU country where they are cheaper. They will pay no import duties on it then.
For instance an unlocked iPhone 5 is available in the Netherlands for €654 for a 16Gb phone. With a bit of research they could no doubt find where is the cheapest place in Europe to buy one.
For instance an unlocked iPhone 5 is available in the Netherlands for €654 for a 16Gb phone. With a bit of research they could no doubt find where is the cheapest place in Europe to buy one.
Feb 9th, 2013, 04:26 AM
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Nothing to stop OP looking at European websites and finding one there to send to Greece. Provided the company's T&C allow sending a product to another country that is. They'll accept a US credit card just as happily as a European one.
Sending one from the US results in the receiver paying a lot of tax and handling charges on their gift.
Sending one from the US results in the receiver paying a lot of tax and handling charges on their gift.
Feb 10th, 2013, 01:09 PM
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Thanks sooo much! I told my son to just take it with him when he goes this summer, but his friend wanted it sooner. Now, with all your great advice...it is another example of Mother (and you guys) knows best! He will have to wait until the summer. You info was very much appreciated and informative. Thanks again.
Feb 13th, 2013, 03:22 AM
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I think a lot depends on where your son's friend lives.
I agree that it would be better to take it as I have a few stories on receiving goods here!
Living rurally a courier service is a nightmare, I have not received one item of about half a dozen sent by courier. Sent via ordinary mail I have got everything (so far!) even if it sometimes takes a while. A friend who lives in Athens had a parcel sent to him (clothing) as a gift via ordinary mail, but when he went to collect it the description on it had been changed to jewellery & they demanded a high charge before it could be collected!
Among the things I have received successfully were 2 Blackberries, unlocked. I don't know if the i-phone will have the same problems, but I did have some trouble, the phones still wanted to believe they were in the US & kept trying to add 01 at the front of numbers I was calling!
Do remind him to take an adaptor with him
I agree that it would be better to take it as I have a few stories on receiving goods here!
Living rurally a courier service is a nightmare, I have not received one item of about half a dozen sent by courier. Sent via ordinary mail I have got everything (so far!) even if it sometimes takes a while. A friend who lives in Athens had a parcel sent to him (clothing) as a gift via ordinary mail, but when he went to collect it the description on it had been changed to jewellery & they demanded a high charge before it could be collected!
Among the things I have received successfully were 2 Blackberries, unlocked. I don't know if the i-phone will have the same problems, but I did have some trouble, the phones still wanted to believe they were in the US & kept trying to add 01 at the front of numbers I was calling!
Do remind him to take an adaptor with him
