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Where's a great place to live?

Old May 12th, 2002, 09:26 PM
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Boy did my post hit a nerve with Frank!

Just in case you read this, Frank, I go to Mass every Sunday, I give thank every day that we have been blessed with all that we have. As for opening a savings account, we have several. As for downsizing our life style, how do you know we live in excess? Yes, my husband is brilliant. When we analyzed our earning potential and the type of lifestyle it could afford us to live, we both agreed that Los Angeles did not offer much value. We both believe our dollars could go a lot further elsewhere.

If you think the original question was idiotic, than simply move on to the next question.

A final thought to Frank: Judge not lest ye be judged.

To those who wondered why we were looking outside of Los Angeles:

There are plenty of cities that have all the criteria mentioned in the original post, but when you look at the cost, both monetary and in quality of life, not all cities fare well.

L.A has everything, but real estate far from a good value. Traffic, crowds and sheer size of LA bring down the quality of life. Simple chores become a hassle. Here in the west side of Los Angeles (Beverly Hills, Santa Monica area) you have to buy your movie tickets in person or on-line in the afternoon, to see a movie that night because they will all sell out by early evening. Try going to the beach on a hot summer day! You’ll be stuck in traffic trying to find parking with a million other people. What should be a 20-minute trip can easily turn into 1 hour or more.

Yes, yes, any city has its good points and bad, but I’m looking to hear from someone who maybe has moved a few times, and has stumbled across an underrated gem.

Please “foundit” one more hint on your city’s location!
Old May 12th, 2002, 09:41 PM
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Thanks for the sermon. And to think, it's dedicated to me! Really brought a tear to my eye - esp. that 'judge not' crap.

I shall hold it in my heart forever.

Oh, by the way, could you have possibly meant Jack, not Frank?
Old May 12th, 2002, 09:50 PM
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A few more responses to some posts above;

Dallas: We’ve mentioned this city quite a few times. Everyone who visits, lives there or has lived there gives it the thumbs up. We’ll probably visit sometime before the year is over.

NYC: LOVE THIS CITY. Go to Manhattan 2 times a year and love it every time. Chances of improving our standard of living by moving there…try lower than zero!

Austin: Hear it’s hoppin! Still need more info.

San Diego: Also in the running, but still has the same high cost of living problem as Los Angeles. As for Orange County (the west side), this part of Southern California has all the charm of a Ray Conniff LP.

Anyone from Richmond, Virginia? How about a bit more about Atlanta?

Note to Candace- Wouldn’t it be funny if we ended up being neighbors?!
Old May 12th, 2002, 09:55 PM
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oops! Jack, not Frank!
Old May 13th, 2002, 06:51 AM
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I'm currently living in Dallas (just moved here 4 months ago so can't really comment much but say so far so good...) There are a lot of cultural activities here and it is much cleaner than Atlanta IMO.
Old May 13th, 2002, 06:58 AM
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San Fran
Old May 13th, 2002, 09:27 AM
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foundit is such a tease. why would you bother to waste her time reading a posting about exactly what she wants, but then not tell her where it is. i hope you never come to this site needing help.

san diego has far lower incomes than LA and the housing prices are higher, so I don't think that would be a wise choice. oc is actually a nice place, but you just have to find the right area. i live in brentwood now, but loved living in laguna.
Old May 13th, 2002, 01:48 PM
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What about Houston? are there good schools and fun things to do there? I am going to move there soon and god knows I hope that it is not as boring as Springfield Missouri.I have been a lot of places and this is the pitssss. but I have never been to Houston.
Old May 13th, 2002, 06:54 PM
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Have you considered a suburb outside of NYC? You'll have all the fine dining,sophistication and culture in Westchester County, or you can bop into NYC
Old May 13th, 2002, 11:46 PM
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There are far too mnay INFLATED and OVERVALUED salaries in the show biz community on the Westside, hence the "out of bounds" housing prices!
Old May 14th, 2002, 07:12 AM
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Housing prices are over-inflated and out of reach all over the country. It's a very discouraging aspect for younger Americans these days. Even renting a small 1 bedroom can be out of reach in many larger cities (and unfortunately this is where the jobs are).
Old May 14th, 2002, 07:17 AM
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Indianapolis..yuk. Armpit of the midwest. Stay away from the midwest..their idea of culture is if a person "of color" lives on their block.

I'm thinking Atlanta, Phoenix, San Diego, Dallas......

Old May 14th, 2002, 07:24 AM
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Phoenix as cultural - you must be kidding.

San Diego is probably as expensive or more than where they live now in LA. And they'll make far less income in San Diego.

Dallas is hotter than hell in the summer and then there's the ice storms in the winter. Forget seeing any topography in this flat land.
Old May 14th, 2002, 08:39 AM
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A plug for Minneapolis. Yes, the winters are cold. Sometimes very cold. But you can dress for it. My wife and I have a ritual of going for a walk every evening after dinner, and we have never had the cold prevent us from doing that.

Minneapolis has the most live theater per capita of any city outside of New York. They have a restaurant scene that is quickly becoming one of the top 10 in the country. Cost of living is reasonable (similar to Dallas/Denver). And the schools and healthcare are second to none.

I moved to Minneapolis from Denver in '77. Never planned on staying, but we found it to be a great "fit" for our lifestyle. The demographic has also become much more diverse in the past 15 years.
Old May 14th, 2002, 09:07 AM
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>>>>>>Dallas is hotter than hell in the summer and then there's the ice storms in the winter. Forget seeing any topography in this flat land.

LA, away from the coast, is about as hot as Dallas in the summer, and nobody cares.

Of course Dallas doesn't have a seacoast, but it also doesn't have the humidity that a coastal city has. I was in Miami in April, with 85 degrees F, and was close to jumping out of my skin.

I flew to Dallas, also at 85, and it was like going from Hell to Heaven... because Dallas humidity stood at 45%, instead of Miami's 95%.

Southern Dallas and the western suburbs have some rugged topography, whereas northern Dallas is flat. But does that matter? Yes, North Texas does not look like Nepal or Tibet, but the vast majority of people honestly don't care.

When I go to New York, I don't need any mountains in Central Park to have a good time, and I honestly don't stay away from Paris France because it's flat. Likewise Washington, Chicago, or other exciting US cities with less than alpine terrain.

I left San Francisco for some personal reasons, and its mountains did not diminish my intention to leave. Arriving in Dallas, its lack of mountains was also super irrelevant.

What Dallas does have is a vast network of wooded, meandering creeks with real, running water, steep banks, and lots of fauna and flora. Also many huge lakes with rugged, indented coastlines. We like it.
Old May 14th, 2002, 09:28 AM
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>>>>>>>>Even renting a small 1 bedroom can be out of reach in many larger cities (and unfortunately this is where the jobs are).

Not in Dallas. The Metroplex is currently experiencing a glut of apartments, even in the exciting and desirable Uptown districts.

T'is true. Landlords are looking for creative ways to keep tenants from moving out and buying houses, and giving people one or two months free rent is so common, they have to think of new enticements, like car raffles and weekend catered parties.

Why is this so? Well, Dallas is a city of abundance, in the same way that SF and LA are cities of shortages. The city's builders have so much money to invest that when the time comes in the business cycle to build apartments, they go all out... massive overbuilding.

I'm sure that my old San Francisco friends will enjoy describing me as "materialistic", but hey, anything else is just "immaterialistic".
Old May 14th, 2002, 04:06 PM
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BTW, "foundit" I know which city you're talking about. Excellent suggestion, due to the fact that one of us works for a University!
Old May 14th, 2002, 04:32 PM
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Two places to stay away from are Bensalem, PA and Newtown, PA.

High crime, high joblessness, no culture, awful weather, racial unrest, child prostitution, drug deals, crack houses, garbage piled in the streets, terrible.

I come from Germany.
Much better there.
Old May 14th, 2002, 08:47 PM
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Gee, Thom.
You picked two of the worst cities in all the USA for your comparison and conclude that Germany is better.
Comparing apples to oranges there aren't we?
I've been to some pretty sad, scary cities in Germany, too. But I certainly don't write off the entire country because of that.
How many German cities offer beautiful harbors like in San Diego, mountains like in Colorado, sights like the Grand Canyon, cities like New York, the quality of food in SF/Chicago/NYC, etc etc etc.
Old Jun 17th, 2002, 11:02 AM
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Tacoma, Washington has everything you are looking for.

Yes Tacoma has gotten bad press for bullet proof vest neighborhoods causing would be relocators to stay away in the droves...the truth is there are fine residential areas a lot of out of towners are unaware of in and near The City of Destiny. Compared to L.A. commute times getting from home to office is a piece of cake in Tacoma. More good news: Tacoma area real estate tends to be lower than the rest of the Puget Sound Thats a good deal less than what housing costs in your area of the Golden State.

If this sounds too good to be is.

There is a string or two.

There are some people who will not be too fond of you becomming their new neighbors. These people are ex Southern Californians who would like to keep all this a big secret.

Also, if you do move to Tacoma, you will have to learn to do without Carl Jrs. and In And Outs.


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