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Feb 16th, 2007, 12:48 PM
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dabber,
I just came across your thread and have the following suggestions:
1. Since you watched "Walker, Texas Ranger," why not tour the studio where it was filmed? The Studios at Las Colinas - check out their website and look under "Guest Services" for tour info: http://www.mullerentertainment.com/edu.html
I took the tour several years ago, and at that time they had a set from Walker on display. Interestingly, the doorway for the set was built to be small because Chuck Norris is short and he wanted to look bigger on screen. Las Colinas is a suburb of Dallas very close to DFW airport.
2. Someone previously mentioned Southfork Ranch in Plano (also a Dallas suburb). Southfork was the homestead for the fictional Ewing family on the 80's TV show "Dallas." They have a lot of memorabilia from the show there, such as the prop gun that infamously shot J.R. Ewing, and there is a mansion you can tour which is hilariously, over-the-top tacky. For more info, check out www.southfork.com.
3. If you ever saw the American sitcom, "Alice," (remember the catchphrase "Kiss my grits"?) and wanted to visit a blue-collar diner with sassy waitresses, then check out Mama's Daughters' Diner. Their motto is "Ain't Nothin' Finer" and that should give you a good idea of what to expect. The food is typical Southern fair - tasty but unhealthy. The original location downtown is the best, and I highly recommend you go there. They have a website, too: www.mamasdaughtersdiner.com.
4. First Baptist Church of Dallas is a conservative church (lots of old ladies and men wearing suits), so don't expect a hellfire-and-brimstone sermon. You'd probably find it boring, so I would strongly suggest you attend a megachurch called The Potter's House. Although the church is not in downtown Dallas, it is not terribly far away. The pastor, T.D. Jakes, is a well-known televangelist who is more than capable of giving fiery sermons. Check out www.thepottershouse.org.
Have fun!
I just came across your thread and have the following suggestions:
1. Since you watched "Walker, Texas Ranger," why not tour the studio where it was filmed? The Studios at Las Colinas - check out their website and look under "Guest Services" for tour info: http://www.mullerentertainment.com/edu.html
I took the tour several years ago, and at that time they had a set from Walker on display. Interestingly, the doorway for the set was built to be small because Chuck Norris is short and he wanted to look bigger on screen. Las Colinas is a suburb of Dallas very close to DFW airport.
2. Someone previously mentioned Southfork Ranch in Plano (also a Dallas suburb). Southfork was the homestead for the fictional Ewing family on the 80's TV show "Dallas." They have a lot of memorabilia from the show there, such as the prop gun that infamously shot J.R. Ewing, and there is a mansion you can tour which is hilariously, over-the-top tacky. For more info, check out www.southfork.com.
3. If you ever saw the American sitcom, "Alice," (remember the catchphrase "Kiss my grits"?) and wanted to visit a blue-collar diner with sassy waitresses, then check out Mama's Daughters' Diner. Their motto is "Ain't Nothin' Finer" and that should give you a good idea of what to expect. The food is typical Southern fair - tasty but unhealthy. The original location downtown is the best, and I highly recommend you go there. They have a website, too: www.mamasdaughtersdiner.com.
4. First Baptist Church of Dallas is a conservative church (lots of old ladies and men wearing suits), so don't expect a hellfire-and-brimstone sermon. You'd probably find it boring, so I would strongly suggest you attend a megachurch called The Potter's House. Although the church is not in downtown Dallas, it is not terribly far away. The pastor, T.D. Jakes, is a well-known televangelist who is more than capable of giving fiery sermons. Check out www.thepottershouse.org.
Have fun!
Feb 16th, 2007, 02:11 PM
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I watched a programme on the biography channel tonight about Carlos(Chuck)Norris, how does he look so good for a man who was born in 1940??
Is there any chance of meeting him when we are in Dallas at his karate school or wherever he hangs out (where was CDs bar in Walker filmed)
How tall is Chuck,I am 6 1 and wouldnt really want to look down on him!!
Is there any chance of meeting him when we are in Dallas at his karate school or wherever he hangs out (where was CDs bar in Walker filmed)
How tall is Chuck,I am 6 1 and wouldnt really want to look down on him!!
Feb 16th, 2007, 03:35 PM
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Yes, it is the White Elephant. They have Walker stuff all over the place in there.
PLEASE, do NOT waste your time going to Southfork. The place is a true tourist trap, and it is horribly overpriced. Just have someone take your picture by the front gate and be done with it!
PLEASE, do NOT waste your time going to Southfork. The place is a true tourist trap, and it is horribly overpriced. Just have someone take your picture by the front gate and be done with it!
Feb 17th, 2007, 02:03 AM
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Its a bit late now,the hotel is booked and paid for!! anyway I think is about personal choice,I read many traveller reviews and the Adolphus reviews were the best in the downtown area and the photos and video confirm that it the sort of hotel that I want to stay in.
Feb 17th, 2007, 02:21 AM
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Southfork IS touristy, but if you watched the show and are interested in seeing it (a movie is about to come out soon), you may enjoy the short visit there. I was amazed at how small the pool is/was. In the TV show, it looks like Pam swims laps there. It would take, oh, about 2 1/2 strokes to get from one end to the other.
I loved the White Elephant in FW. I went there on a regular basis (instead of Dallas). One weird moment was being on the phone as a friend tried to coax me into joining them as the White Elephant - and on the TV was Lucy walking outside the WE. I took it as a sign - and joined my friends that night
If you didn't watch "Dallas", I'm not sure you would have any interest in Southfork.
I loved the White Elephant in FW. I went there on a regular basis (instead of Dallas). One weird moment was being on the phone as a friend tried to coax me into joining them as the White Elephant - and on the TV was Lucy walking outside the WE. I took it as a sign - and joined my friends that night
If you didn't watch "Dallas", I'm not sure you would have any interest in Southfork.
Feb 17th, 2007, 03:08 AM
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I was never a big fan of the Dallas tv series so will not be going to Southfork,will be going to Fort Worth and visiting the White Elephant.
Just checked the hotel ratings again for those mentioned by TTP and julzieluv and found that the Palomar scored 5 out of 5 but was more expensive than the Adolphus which scored 4.7.The Crescent Court scored 3.6 and the Zaza 4.5 and were also more expensive!!
Just checked the hotel ratings again for those mentioned by TTP and julzieluv and found that the Palomar scored 5 out of 5 but was more expensive than the Adolphus which scored 4.7.The Crescent Court scored 3.6 and the Zaza 4.5 and were also more expensive!!
Feb 17th, 2007, 06:27 AM
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Dabber, the Adolphus is a pretty good hotel. The Palomar is new, the Zaza is a glitzy place for celebrities, the W is for the uber-hip... your choice of hotels is fine.
The Adolphus has a history. It was built many years ago by a St Louis beer baron named Adolph Busch. He is the historic figure behind the well0known Budweiser brand of beer. The brewery in St Louis is famous for maintaining a stable of enormous horses, the Clydesdales, brought out to haul beer wagons on ceremonial occasions. I'm sure the hotel will tell you much more about its history when you arrive.
Also, the building is beautiful... the gargoyles are part of its charm.
The Adolphus has a history. It was built many years ago by a St Louis beer baron named Adolph Busch. He is the historic figure behind the well0known Budweiser brand of beer. The brewery in St Louis is famous for maintaining a stable of enormous horses, the Clydesdales, brought out to haul beer wagons on ceremonial occasions. I'm sure the hotel will tell you much more about its history when you arrive.
Also, the building is beautiful... the gargoyles are part of its charm.
Feb 18th, 2007, 11:28 AM
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stat_man,
You state:
"bkluvsNola, a city is not validated by the number of people visiting its casinos (Las Vegas), going to its theme parks (Orlando) or lying on a beach ( Miami Beach). Would it really make a difference to anyone if Dallas built a dozen theme parks and started attracting theme park tourists? "
Wow, where do I begin. Let me begin with the basics since it seems that is where I'll need to start with you.
Dallas is NOT a tourist destination.
Dallas is a business city, and it's visitors are there on business because they have to, not because they want to. If someone is in Dallas for a week on business, rest assured that they will be going home immediately. If they are on business in San Francisco which has a history and ambiance that Dallas could never create, chances are that they'll extend their stay for a few extra nights.
There are differences between "business cities" and "tourist cities". The best cities in the world, the "alpha world cities", have both. Examples are Paris, New York, and London. For those cities, vibrant business communities and an avid cultural scene and immense tourism sites, usually of historic interest, make it places that people *want* to take a business trip to. Dallas is characterized as a minor world city:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_city
Also, even if Dallas wanted to build the theme park infrastructure that Orlando has, I doubt that they would get the same visitation rates, as (a) the weather in Dallas is much colder in the winter than Orlando and that would cut on tourists, (b) there is not much space to build something on the scale of WDW in Dallas, and (c) visitors to Orlando are close to beaches and other attractions you don't have in North Texas.
Also, gambling is never going to occur in Texas (due to neocons), so Dallas will never become a Las Vegas. Dallas doesn't have much history (except for JFK getting shot), so there's not much to develop in that regard as well.
So, all things considered, Dallas is very fortunate to be where it is today. The founding fathers did about the best they could with a city that was not on a major river in the middle of nowhere...
Longterm, Dallas is going to get more and more crowded, and with that freeways are going to get more and more clogged, the land prices will go up, and the things that make Dallas attractive right now (low pollution, cheap housing) will cease to exist. Then people will be moving to places like Austin, where well planned growth and strict zoning laws as well as plenty of park areas would have produced a densely packed downtown and a generally more agreeable way of life.
I was just reading an article that the biggest source of population growth into Austin right now was from (1) Dallas, and (2) Houston. Reasons for people leaving those cities was that it was getting too crowded, there was not enough planned parks (all available land is handed over to developers that put in either tract housing or strip malls). So the exodus has begun, although there are still more people moving into Dallas than moving out.
In the end, I think we'll all find that the current way of doing things in cities like Dallas, Atlanta, or Phoenix will falter, and cities like Austin, Portland, or other cities will be picking up the slack...
Maybe if Dallas actually had any tourist attractions, we could be talking about those instead of topics like this. After all, this is a tourist board.
You state:
"bkluvsNola, a city is not validated by the number of people visiting its casinos (Las Vegas), going to its theme parks (Orlando) or lying on a beach ( Miami Beach). Would it really make a difference to anyone if Dallas built a dozen theme parks and started attracting theme park tourists? "
Wow, where do I begin. Let me begin with the basics since it seems that is where I'll need to start with you.
Dallas is NOT a tourist destination.
Dallas is a business city, and it's visitors are there on business because they have to, not because they want to. If someone is in Dallas for a week on business, rest assured that they will be going home immediately. If they are on business in San Francisco which has a history and ambiance that Dallas could never create, chances are that they'll extend their stay for a few extra nights.
There are differences between "business cities" and "tourist cities". The best cities in the world, the "alpha world cities", have both. Examples are Paris, New York, and London. For those cities, vibrant business communities and an avid cultural scene and immense tourism sites, usually of historic interest, make it places that people *want* to take a business trip to. Dallas is characterized as a minor world city:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Global_city
Also, even if Dallas wanted to build the theme park infrastructure that Orlando has, I doubt that they would get the same visitation rates, as (a) the weather in Dallas is much colder in the winter than Orlando and that would cut on tourists, (b) there is not much space to build something on the scale of WDW in Dallas, and (c) visitors to Orlando are close to beaches and other attractions you don't have in North Texas.
Also, gambling is never going to occur in Texas (due to neocons), so Dallas will never become a Las Vegas. Dallas doesn't have much history (except for JFK getting shot), so there's not much to develop in that regard as well.
So, all things considered, Dallas is very fortunate to be where it is today. The founding fathers did about the best they could with a city that was not on a major river in the middle of nowhere...
Longterm, Dallas is going to get more and more crowded, and with that freeways are going to get more and more clogged, the land prices will go up, and the things that make Dallas attractive right now (low pollution, cheap housing) will cease to exist. Then people will be moving to places like Austin, where well planned growth and strict zoning laws as well as plenty of park areas would have produced a densely packed downtown and a generally more agreeable way of life.
I was just reading an article that the biggest source of population growth into Austin right now was from (1) Dallas, and (2) Houston. Reasons for people leaving those cities was that it was getting too crowded, there was not enough planned parks (all available land is handed over to developers that put in either tract housing or strip malls). So the exodus has begun, although there are still more people moving into Dallas than moving out.
In the end, I think we'll all find that the current way of doing things in cities like Dallas, Atlanta, or Phoenix will falter, and cities like Austin, Portland, or other cities will be picking up the slack...
Maybe if Dallas actually had any tourist attractions, we could be talking about those instead of topics like this. After all, this is a tourist board.
Feb 18th, 2007, 12:16 PM
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bkluvsnola -
Amen. I hope the locals realize that nobody is trying to bash Dallas here. It is a perfectly good city. My whole point is the Dallas is a perfectly good American city, just like 20-30 other perfectly good American cities. Nothing more, nothing less.
Would I move back there? If I got a dream job and the money was off the charts, sure. Would I visit there for pleasure? Probably not, although I do have a couple favorite restaurants I try to hit when I have to go there on business.
Yes, this is a travel website, and I think we've all been able to help dabber make the most of a 5-day trip to Dallas.
Amen. I hope the locals realize that nobody is trying to bash Dallas here. It is a perfectly good city. My whole point is the Dallas is a perfectly good American city, just like 20-30 other perfectly good American cities. Nothing more, nothing less.
Would I move back there? If I got a dream job and the money was off the charts, sure. Would I visit there for pleasure? Probably not, although I do have a couple favorite restaurants I try to hit when I have to go there on business.
Yes, this is a travel website, and I think we've all been able to help dabber make the most of a 5-day trip to Dallas.
Feb 18th, 2007, 01:11 PM
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bkluvsNola, I followed the Wiki link to see what a "minor world city" is supposed to be. Actually, the correct term is "Gamma" world city. Other world cities in Dallas' class include Amsterdam, Boston, Geneva, Prague and Washington DC. Ranked BELOW Dallas are Rome, Montreal, Bangkok and Stockholm. I think Dallas is proud to be in their company.
Plenty of people visit Dallas for pleasure, about 7 million per year, according to the Texas bureau that collects hotel taxes. In fact, more people visit the city for pleasure than for business. I'll grant you, though, that Orlando has many more visitors to its theme parks than Dallas does. Don't really know what that means.
Does Dallas want to disinvest its high tech industry in favor of tourist hotels? No, high tech industries pay higher wages than hotels and theme parks. Actually, people who visit places like Las Vegas or Orlando are not there to visit and enjoy the city, they're just there for the specific purpose of gambling, floor shows, theme parks, etc. Our friend Dabber is not coming to America to gamble, solicit loose women or to visit Disney... but to find something that only Dallas has.
Dallas-FW has plenty of activities and events that attract people... the Van Cliburn festival, the AFI International Film Festival, the State Fair of Texas, the Fort Worth Stock Show, tons of sporting events, better cultural life than almost any other American city, better restaurants than almost any other American city, better shopping than almost every other American city.
The Dallas-FW area has 6 million people. That means it generates and holds more of anything and everything than the Cincinattis and Omahas of the world. How can a metro with a million people compare with that?
HonestAbe, there are a lot of people who don't agree with your taste in cities. So many people do like the Big D that they come here to live. I'll admit though that I equally have no interest in returning to Boston, Seattle, Amsterdam, Brussels, Baltimore, St Louis, Phoenix, San Diego, San Francisco, Washington, Atlanta. Once is enough for those towns. I did, however, have a recurring interest in visiting Dallas before I finally moved here.
I'd characterize Dallas' visitor appeal as "moderate" or "good". Certainly, other places in the USA attract more people, for specialized activity such as beaches, casinos, theme parks, Revolutionary War history, etc, but Dallas gets a good share of visitors. Because it does have things worth visiting.
Plenty of people visit Dallas for pleasure, about 7 million per year, according to the Texas bureau that collects hotel taxes. In fact, more people visit the city for pleasure than for business. I'll grant you, though, that Orlando has many more visitors to its theme parks than Dallas does. Don't really know what that means.
Does Dallas want to disinvest its high tech industry in favor of tourist hotels? No, high tech industries pay higher wages than hotels and theme parks. Actually, people who visit places like Las Vegas or Orlando are not there to visit and enjoy the city, they're just there for the specific purpose of gambling, floor shows, theme parks, etc. Our friend Dabber is not coming to America to gamble, solicit loose women or to visit Disney... but to find something that only Dallas has.
Dallas-FW has plenty of activities and events that attract people... the Van Cliburn festival, the AFI International Film Festival, the State Fair of Texas, the Fort Worth Stock Show, tons of sporting events, better cultural life than almost any other American city, better restaurants than almost any other American city, better shopping than almost every other American city.
The Dallas-FW area has 6 million people. That means it generates and holds more of anything and everything than the Cincinattis and Omahas of the world. How can a metro with a million people compare with that?
HonestAbe, there are a lot of people who don't agree with your taste in cities. So many people do like the Big D that they come here to live. I'll admit though that I equally have no interest in returning to Boston, Seattle, Amsterdam, Brussels, Baltimore, St Louis, Phoenix, San Diego, San Francisco, Washington, Atlanta. Once is enough for those towns. I did, however, have a recurring interest in visiting Dallas before I finally moved here.
I'd characterize Dallas' visitor appeal as "moderate" or "good". Certainly, other places in the USA attract more people, for specialized activity such as beaches, casinos, theme parks, Revolutionary War history, etc, but Dallas gets a good share of visitors. Because it does have things worth visiting.
Feb 18th, 2007, 01:25 PM
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<Amsterdam, Boston, Geneva, Prague and Washington DC. Ranked BELOW Dallas are Rome, Montreal, Bangkok and Stockholm. I think Dallas is proud to be in their company>
The same survey ranks Houston in the same league with Dallas. A main criteria of the survey is air traffic. Having an airline hub, and people who HAVE TO connect through your airport, is a poor indicator of a world city.
<Plenty of people visit Dallas for pleasure, about 7 million per year, according to the Texas bureau that collects hotel taxes>
Who's keeping track??? I come to Dallas at least 8 times per year, and never once have declared to my hotel or travel agent what the trip is for.. biz vs. pleasure (BTW - 100% biz)
<Dallas-FW has plenty of activities and events that attract people... the Van Cliburn festival, the AFI International Film Festival, the State Fair of Texas, the Fort Worth Stock Show>
I used to live in Dallas, and never once attended one of these events or knew anyone who did. You mean people actually travel to Dallas to participate? Where was I?
<better cultural life than almost any other American city>
Seriously now, StatMan. When you make a claim like that, you're going to shoot your credibiilty for the entire argument.
<I'd characterize Dallas' visitor appeal as "moderate" or "good". >
Moderate, yes. We agree on that one. Dallas has moderate visitor appeal, and so do about 3 dozen other American cities.
The same survey ranks Houston in the same league with Dallas. A main criteria of the survey is air traffic. Having an airline hub, and people who HAVE TO connect through your airport, is a poor indicator of a world city.
<Plenty of people visit Dallas for pleasure, about 7 million per year, according to the Texas bureau that collects hotel taxes>
Who's keeping track??? I come to Dallas at least 8 times per year, and never once have declared to my hotel or travel agent what the trip is for.. biz vs. pleasure (BTW - 100% biz)
<Dallas-FW has plenty of activities and events that attract people... the Van Cliburn festival, the AFI International Film Festival, the State Fair of Texas, the Fort Worth Stock Show>
I used to live in Dallas, and never once attended one of these events or knew anyone who did. You mean people actually travel to Dallas to participate? Where was I?
<better cultural life than almost any other American city>
Seriously now, StatMan. When you make a claim like that, you're going to shoot your credibiilty for the entire argument.
<I'd characterize Dallas' visitor appeal as "moderate" or "good". >
Moderate, yes. We agree on that one. Dallas has moderate visitor appeal, and so do about 3 dozen other American cities.
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"Maybe if Dallas actually had any tourist attractions..."
.Fair Park Art Deco and its many museums
.Heritage Village in Old City Park
.McKinney Avenue Trolley
.Dallas World Aquarium and Zoo
.Dealey Plaza Assassination Site
.6th Floor Kennedy Museum
.Southfork Ranch
.World Class architecture by Pritzger .Prize winners
.World Class shopping opportunities
.Reunion Tower
.Art Museums such as DMA, Crow Asian Art, Nasher Sculpture, Meadows Spanish, African-American Art, MADI Museum
.Best sports facilities in America
.Arlington theme parks
.Dallas and Fort Worth zoos and botanical gardens
.Fort Worth Stockyards
.Fort Worth Sundance Square
.Fort Worth museums, such as FW Modern, Kimbell, Amon Carter
.Fair Park Art Deco and its many museums
.Heritage Village in Old City Park
.McKinney Avenue Trolley
.Dallas World Aquarium and Zoo
.Dealey Plaza Assassination Site
.6th Floor Kennedy Museum
.Southfork Ranch
.World Class architecture by Pritzger .Prize winners
.World Class shopping opportunities
.Reunion Tower
.Art Museums such as DMA, Crow Asian Art, Nasher Sculpture, Meadows Spanish, African-American Art, MADI Museum
.Best sports facilities in America
.Arlington theme parks
.Dallas and Fort Worth zoos and botanical gardens
.Fort Worth Stockyards
.Fort Worth Sundance Square
.Fort Worth museums, such as FW Modern, Kimbell, Amon Carter
Feb 18th, 2007, 01:43 PM
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"...I used to live in Dallas, and never once attended one of these events or knew anyone who did...."
Well, then you're not a good example of Dallas' visitor base. Plenty of people do visit these attractions. And since your taste is so atypical, your opinion is not a good reference for the people who do want to visit the city.
?...The same survey ranks Houston in the same league with Dallas. A main criteria of the survey is air traffic. Having an airline hub, and people who HAVE TO connect through your airport, is a poor indicator of a world city..."
The world cities classification has nothing to do with visitor appeal... it is more oriented to international connectivity...
"...Moderate, yes. We agree on that one. Dallas has moderate visitor appeal, and so do about 3 dozen other American cities..."
Moderate in comparison to NYC, LA, Miami or San Francisco.
Superb in comparison to Cincinatti, Omaha, Portland, Raleigh, or most of the top 36 metro areas.
Well, then you're not a good example of Dallas' visitor base. Plenty of people do visit these attractions. And since your taste is so atypical, your opinion is not a good reference for the people who do want to visit the city.
?...The same survey ranks Houston in the same league with Dallas. A main criteria of the survey is air traffic. Having an airline hub, and people who HAVE TO connect through your airport, is a poor indicator of a world city..."
The world cities classification has nothing to do with visitor appeal... it is more oriented to international connectivity...
"...Moderate, yes. We agree on that one. Dallas has moderate visitor appeal, and so do about 3 dozen other American cities..."
Moderate in comparison to NYC, LA, Miami or San Francisco.
Superb in comparison to Cincinatti, Omaha, Portland, Raleigh, or most of the top 36 metro areas.
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"...Who's keeping track??? I come to Dallas at least 8 times per year, and never once have declared to my hotel or travel agent what the trip is for.. biz vs. pleasure (BTW - 100% biz)..."
The State of Texas keeps track of hotel occupancy, and the Dallas CVB does sampling of the visitor population to determine the relative proportion of business vs pleasure. I trust their figures... at least more than I trust your perceptions.
There's a larger issue here, Abe. You don't seem to be able to take advantage of Dallas. It has nothing to do with Dallas' array of visitor attractions, but everything to do with your attitude. Now you have a right to like and dislike whatever you want, but everyone should realize that you're speaking only for yourself. Not for the public in general.
The State of Texas keeps track of hotel occupancy, and the Dallas CVB does sampling of the visitor population to determine the relative proportion of business vs pleasure. I trust their figures... at least more than I trust your perceptions.
There's a larger issue here, Abe. You don't seem to be able to take advantage of Dallas. It has nothing to do with Dallas' array of visitor attractions, but everything to do with your attitude. Now you have a right to like and dislike whatever you want, but everyone should realize that you're speaking only for yourself. Not for the public in general.
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statman - If I have made a total of, oh, 100-150 business trips to Dallas in the past 6 years, and I have never once been asked if my trip is for business or pleasure, where are your numbers coming from? Are they all assumptions? Do they profile me based on what I'm wearing when I check in? Is my regular hotel excluded from the analysis?
Yes, when I lived in Dallas and when I've visited, I probably haven't sought out the visitor attractions. I made a point of going to the JFK museum once, and thought they did a marvelous job with it. I have been to many of the restaurants in different parts of town, and think Dallas is a very good restaurant city. I used the park and trail system extensively, which I think is competitive with but not better than the average American city.
There is a larger issue here, Statman. You constantly cite tourist attractions that every decent American city has, and you claim that for some reason Dallas is superior because of it. Think about what you are saying. Dallas is a superior place to visit because they offer the same thing that most cities do. That makes no sense!!
Accept the fact that Dallas is a good but not great city. Granted, every city has their niche, and Dallas has a few. But they hardly have the monopoly on anything in this country, except for concentration of Texas-style BBQ, and JFK museums.
BACK TO THE ORIGINAL POST, which this should be all about, dabber will see a slice of Americana when visiting Dallas, which I think is what he/she is looking for.
Yes, when I lived in Dallas and when I've visited, I probably haven't sought out the visitor attractions. I made a point of going to the JFK museum once, and thought they did a marvelous job with it. I have been to many of the restaurants in different parts of town, and think Dallas is a very good restaurant city. I used the park and trail system extensively, which I think is competitive with but not better than the average American city.
There is a larger issue here, Statman. You constantly cite tourist attractions that every decent American city has, and you claim that for some reason Dallas is superior because of it. Think about what you are saying. Dallas is a superior place to visit because they offer the same thing that most cities do. That makes no sense!!
Accept the fact that Dallas is a good but not great city. Granted, every city has their niche, and Dallas has a few. But they hardly have the monopoly on anything in this country, except for concentration of Texas-style BBQ, and JFK museums.
BACK TO THE ORIGINAL POST, which this should be all about, dabber will see a slice of Americana when visiting Dallas, which I think is what he/she is looking for.
