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Jan 18th, 2011, 04:04 AM
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Right. Pile on. Those who don't tip the way you do are cheap, nothing less, nothing more.
However, no one has justified this particular nonsense. DO you search out every low-paid worker with whom you come into contact and press money into their hands? If not, why? Many people work very hard for little money (I'm one of them). WHY should certain workers get extra money, and others not?
However, no one has justified this particular nonsense. DO you search out every low-paid worker with whom you come into contact and press money into their hands? If not, why? Many people work very hard for little money (I'm one of them). WHY should certain workers get extra money, and others not?
Jan 18th, 2011, 05:21 AM
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Once AGAIN I see we have some wonderfully talented and oh so generous posters who have RATIONALIZED their tipping behavior so that everything depends on the worker's level of compensation.
I don't give a rat's a** HOW MUCH the person is supposedly making, if they are performing a service for me, and especially if it is one I wouldn't probably be doing sor some stranger such as cleaning their messy bathroom and all their HAIR off the toilet seat., etc., I tip accordingly.
What a BUNCH of cheapskates!
I don't give a rat's a** HOW MUCH the person is supposedly making, if they are performing a service for me, and especially if it is one I wouldn't probably be doing sor some stranger such as cleaning their messy bathroom and all their HAIR off the toilet seat., etc., I tip accordingly.
What a BUNCH of cheapskates!
Jan 18th, 2011, 05:44 AM
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Got nothing to do with money. You pay for something, you get something. A clean hotel room is expected in the payment; it is not a "personal service", it is their JOB. (If you initially entered a dirty room, would you tip the cleaning staff to make it clean for you?) The U.S. tipping culture is ridiculous. Calling people cheap for not following your custom (hair on the toilet seat?!)is perplexing. I'd still like an answer to my question: why not throw your money at everyone who doesn't make very much?
Jan 18th, 2011, 07:16 AM
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Tipping is not a requirement, Sylvia, you're right. It's an appreciation. Those nice clean hotel rooms that you enjoy? Maybe they wouldn't be quite as spotless if the people who clean them felt underappreciated and ignored. So we tip them in appreciation of their hard work.
There may be some other low-wage earners that I tip, and some that I don't. I probably do it quite selfishly, to ensure decent service in the future, but also do it kindly, to thank for good service in the past.
It is not "throwing money at them". I never take my money out of my purse thinking "I'd better throw some money at this low-wage earner". It's always "wow, this room is spotless and I appreciate that someone went above and beyond, I need to leave a good tip".
Hotels/motels where people don't tip may have less-than-clean rooms and a staff of housekeepers that is constantly turning-over because of the low wage/backbreaking work ratio. I've been to countries where tipping is not a custom and have entered some pretty lazily-cleaned rooms to say the least.
You may not tip, Sylvia, but telling other people that it is nonsense is no worse than what they're telling you is cheap.
There may be some other low-wage earners that I tip, and some that I don't. I probably do it quite selfishly, to ensure decent service in the future, but also do it kindly, to thank for good service in the past.
It is not "throwing money at them". I never take my money out of my purse thinking "I'd better throw some money at this low-wage earner". It's always "wow, this room is spotless and I appreciate that someone went above and beyond, I need to leave a good tip".
Hotels/motels where people don't tip may have less-than-clean rooms and a staff of housekeepers that is constantly turning-over because of the low wage/backbreaking work ratio. I've been to countries where tipping is not a custom and have entered some pretty lazily-cleaned rooms to say the least.
You may not tip, Sylvia, but telling other people that it is nonsense is no worse than what they're telling you is cheap.
Jan 18th, 2011, 07:58 AM
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Just looking for the reasoning.
"Maybe they wouldn't be quite as spotless if the people who clean them felt underappreciated and ignored. So we tip them in appreciation of their hard work."
That sounds like blackmail. It also sounds like a reason to get fired.
Appreciation comes in the form of a paycheck. That paycheck is earned because my business keeps the business in business. HOtels that "have less-than-clean rooms" might not be in business much longer. Lots of competition out there; and that goes for the jobs, too.
BTW, some of the cleanest rooms I've ever been in were outside the U.S. and where tipping was NOT done.
But that's enough from me; the U.S. tipping culture is argued back and forth, and the reason I hardly ever go out to restaurants any more (the price seems to go up and up, and the expected percentage of tip does the same; doesn't make much sense).
"Maybe they wouldn't be quite as spotless if the people who clean them felt underappreciated and ignored. So we tip them in appreciation of their hard work."
That sounds like blackmail. It also sounds like a reason to get fired.
Appreciation comes in the form of a paycheck. That paycheck is earned because my business keeps the business in business. HOtels that "have less-than-clean rooms" might not be in business much longer. Lots of competition out there; and that goes for the jobs, too.
BTW, some of the cleanest rooms I've ever been in were outside the U.S. and where tipping was NOT done.
But that's enough from me; the U.S. tipping culture is argued back and forth, and the reason I hardly ever go out to restaurants any more (the price seems to go up and up, and the expected percentage of tip does the same; doesn't make much sense).
Jan 18th, 2011, 08:51 AM
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$7 may be the minimum wage - but it's certainly NOT a living wage. (That's $14000 per year more or less - about $10,000 less than the poverty line.) Here counter kids at Mickey D's are scarce at $11 per hour and adult babysitters get $20.
One of course has the right to tip or not. but to avoid going out to eat in order to avoid tipping is known as cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.
One of course has the right to tip or not. but to avoid going out to eat in order to avoid tipping is known as cutting off one's nose to spite one's face.
Jan 18th, 2011, 09:06 AM
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The simple fact is that anybody has the right to tip or not. We chose to tip, you do not. What's the big deal?
If we're paying $200 for a night, what's another $3?
Let it go.
The OP asked a simple question and it appears, at least to me, that they do want to tip, they just didn't know how much. Most of the replies were centered around the question, not about why the tipping culture is/is not.
Once again, let it go.
Start another thread about tipping culture in US and then go with it....
If we're paying $200 for a night, what's another $3?
Let it go.
The OP asked a simple question and it appears, at least to me, that they do want to tip, they just didn't know how much. Most of the replies were centered around the question, not about why the tipping culture is/is not.
Once again, let it go.
Start another thread about tipping culture in US and then go with it....
Jan 18th, 2011, 12:44 PM
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"to avoid going out to eat in order to avoid tipping is known as cutting off one's nose to spite one's face"
Nah, it's not really tipping (I don't begrudge food servers tips, I was both a food and cocktail waitress waaay back in the day); I just can't spend the $$ anymore! Especially when I know my glass of wine cost what the bottle goes for--retail!
Nah, it's not really tipping (I don't begrudge food servers tips, I was both a food and cocktail waitress waaay back in the day); I just can't spend the $$ anymore! Especially when I know my glass of wine cost what the bottle goes for--retail!
Jan 18th, 2011, 01:27 PM
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Sylvia, you're just WRONG on these issues.
When your pubes are on the hotel toilet seat it is most certainly a "personal service" when someone has to clean your mess for the next occupant.
"Tipping" makes perfect sense when the person doing the bulk of the "service" is not getting the bulk of the revenue from your bill.
And "minimum wage" has no bearing on any of this. The "minimum wage" in one place is often a lot higher than it is somewhere else.
Furthermore, the IRS most certainly does demand that servants pay taxes on tips. (one pays taxes on actual gross tips, not on "expected" tips)
I recall reading Ann Landers many years ago and a question there about tipping for the cleaning staff @ hotels/motels:
She responded "$2 per person per room per night" (which may be a tad redundant)
As to the OP's question:
I can't tell how often this "apartment" will be cleaned. If it is merely weekly, then the tipping rate probably shouldn't be the same as if it is daily.
When your pubes are on the hotel toilet seat it is most certainly a "personal service" when someone has to clean your mess for the next occupant.
"Tipping" makes perfect sense when the person doing the bulk of the "service" is not getting the bulk of the revenue from your bill.
And "minimum wage" has no bearing on any of this. The "minimum wage" in one place is often a lot higher than it is somewhere else.
Furthermore, the IRS most certainly does demand that servants pay taxes on tips. (one pays taxes on actual gross tips, not on "expected" tips)
I recall reading Ann Landers many years ago and a question there about tipping for the cleaning staff @ hotels/motels:
She responded "$2 per person per room per night" (which may be a tad redundant)
As to the OP's question:
I can't tell how often this "apartment" will be cleaned. If it is merely weekly, then the tipping rate probably shouldn't be the same as if it is daily.
Jan 21st, 2011, 05:17 PM
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LOL divineMissM,
It's a good thing mere 'education' isn't a prerequisite to some of these people putting their thoughts online to confirm their cluelessness. Sylvia3's a lot like a racist - and nobody really cares about a racist being racist until she communicates that fact to others.
Sounds like Geordie and tracys2cents missed out on some elementary education as well:
"serv·ant /ˈsɜrvənt/ Show Spelled
[sur-vuhnt]
–noun
1. a person employed by another, esp. to perform domestic duties.
2. a person in the service of another."
The only true conclusion we can draw from this thread is that sylvia3 really CAN'T "afford" to travel.
Heck, she probably can't "afford" to be around other humans!
It's a good thing mere 'education' isn't a prerequisite to some of these people putting their thoughts online to confirm their cluelessness. Sylvia3's a lot like a racist - and nobody really cares about a racist being racist until she communicates that fact to others.
Sounds like Geordie and tracys2cents missed out on some elementary education as well:
"serv·ant /ˈsɜrvənt/ Show Spelled
[sur-vuhnt]
–noun
1. a person employed by another, esp. to perform domestic duties.
2. a person in the service of another."
The only true conclusion we can draw from this thread is that sylvia3 really CAN'T "afford" to travel.
Heck, she probably can't "afford" to be around other humans!
Jan 22nd, 2011, 04:00 AM
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1. In spite of the given definition, 'servant' is the wrong descriptive, in this case. (hotel is not a domicile, etc, nor are employees construed to be 'domestics' hired by the hotel guest, etc. etc.) Anyway, the term has a negative connotation.
2. I would agree that sylvia has difficulty with common travel expenses. Her 'let them eat cake' attitude smacks of elitisim and must make her travels rather difficult. Her disdain of foreign customs seems like an arrogant denial of the fact that indeed things are different in different parts of the world afterall. When in Rome, sylvia....
2. I would agree that sylvia has difficulty with common travel expenses. Her 'let them eat cake' attitude smacks of elitisim and must make her travels rather difficult. Her disdain of foreign customs seems like an arrogant denial of the fact that indeed things are different in different parts of the world afterall. When in Rome, sylvia....
Jan 23rd, 2011, 02:30 PM
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What a nasty bunch of self-righteous, pompous losers.
"Her disdain of foreign customs"?! What "foreign" customs?! NOBODY carries stupid tipping customs farther than the US; "indeed things are different in different parts of the world." This is proof of that; ask people from other parts of the world; they are all mystified and bemused by the oddness. In fact, on the Frommers site, a few people said they avoided the US just because of the tip insanity.
So, throw money at all the "poor little people" (but only in unique and singular situations) because you feel sorry that you make more than them (I don't, as a matter of fact) and it makes you happy, but don't castigate others because they don't.
And don't bother responding to this again, because I'm gone for good, and won't read it.
"Her disdain of foreign customs"?! What "foreign" customs?! NOBODY carries stupid tipping customs farther than the US; "indeed things are different in different parts of the world." This is proof of that; ask people from other parts of the world; they are all mystified and bemused by the oddness. In fact, on the Frommers site, a few people said they avoided the US just because of the tip insanity.
So, throw money at all the "poor little people" (but only in unique and singular situations) because you feel sorry that you make more than them (I don't, as a matter of fact) and it makes you happy, but don't castigate others because they don't.
And don't bother responding to this again, because I'm gone for good, and won't read it.
Jan 23rd, 2011, 03:13 PM
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