SouthWest USA in November
Aug 18th, 1998 | 02:41 AM
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SouthWest USA in November
We're visiting from the UK & plan to see as much of the US S.West as possible in 3.5 weeks in November. Arrive San Diego 01 Nov,intend to see SD on foot or by public transport (prefer to avoid driving in SD - seems like a big busy US city, and, you all drive on the wrong side of the road!). Pick up a car on 08 Nov & would like to see Laguna Beach (read so much about it-worth a visit?), then onto Las Vegas for a couple of days (must see it once in a lifetime) before the Hoover Dam, Bryce, Zion, Red Rock, Grand Canyon and Sedona. We fly home on 25 Nov so would like final day to wind down in SD.
Questions: (1)Is this all possible in the time we have yet not break our necks doing it(it's hard for folks from England to calculate driving times & distances in such a vast country) (2)Weather conditions in the area about this time of year, Canyon country & SD? Also, will the North rim of Grand Canyon be open in Nov? (3)We heard there are savings to be made on an annual National Parks pass but only for US citizens, correct? (4)I was informed that my UK AA membership was reciprocated in the US with AAA, yet 2 hotels I called in SD (both in the AAA membership book)did not seem to know what I was talking about. Can I expect to have to do battle every time I try to take advantage of the AAA discounts? (5)Any other 'must sees' in the South West?
Very much looking forward to our visit.
Questions: (1)Is this all possible in the time we have yet not break our necks doing it(it's hard for folks from England to calculate driving times & distances in such a vast country) (2)Weather conditions in the area about this time of year, Canyon country & SD? Also, will the North rim of Grand Canyon be open in Nov? (3)We heard there are savings to be made on an annual National Parks pass but only for US citizens, correct? (4)I was informed that my UK AA membership was reciprocated in the US with AAA, yet 2 hotels I called in SD (both in the AAA membership book)did not seem to know what I was talking about. Can I expect to have to do battle every time I try to take advantage of the AAA discounts? (5)Any other 'must sees' in the South West?
Very much looking forward to our visit.
Aug 18th, 1998 | 09:26 PM
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If you're driving to Las Vegas, you'll see some wondrous sights in the Mojave Desert. You might enjoy stopping at Calico Ghost Town (1880s silver mining boom town, now a Regional Park with camping)-- take Ghost Town Road exit from Interstate 15 east of Barstow. November weather in southern California can be wonderful (it's my favorite month) and changeable. You may get to enjoy Santa Ana winds and blindlingly blue skies (or you might get a good storm). Enjoy!
Aug 19th, 1998 | 05:19 AM
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Some notes:
Laguna Beach? As a former resident of southern California, I cannot even begin to imagine why it's a "must-see" over any of a dozen other California coast communities. Any of them are nice, but I see no reason to prefer this one.
In November, most of where you will be driving will be at the low point of tourism, so you will not need to make reservations more than a day ahead (EXCEPT at the Grand Canyon). Just start driving and visiting sites until your time runs out, then back to San Diego. That way, you won't have to worry about break-neck driving; keep a pace you feel comfortable with.
Weather in southern California will be ideal; and, for some reason, this is a low point in tourism. The mountains could have a snowstorm at any time, so watch the weather each night.
According to www.kaibab.org, the North Rim of the GC closes after the first major storm which "normally occurs in mid-October". Thus, the North Rim will almost certainly be closed in November.
According to
www.nps.gov/pub_aff/fee.html
the Golden Eagle Pass ($50) is available to any who pays the money. I have bought this pass many times and have never been asked to prove my citizenship.
Your problems with your UKAA membership will continue, as Americans have this horribly insular belief that the world ends at their shores. Most are totally unaware the UKAA even exists! I don't know if there is any way around this other than to see if you can get a temporary AAA membership card.
Laguna Beach? As a former resident of southern California, I cannot even begin to imagine why it's a "must-see" over any of a dozen other California coast communities. Any of them are nice, but I see no reason to prefer this one.
In November, most of where you will be driving will be at the low point of tourism, so you will not need to make reservations more than a day ahead (EXCEPT at the Grand Canyon). Just start driving and visiting sites until your time runs out, then back to San Diego. That way, you won't have to worry about break-neck driving; keep a pace you feel comfortable with.
Weather in southern California will be ideal; and, for some reason, this is a low point in tourism. The mountains could have a snowstorm at any time, so watch the weather each night.
According to www.kaibab.org, the North Rim of the GC closes after the first major storm which "normally occurs in mid-October". Thus, the North Rim will almost certainly be closed in November.
According to
www.nps.gov/pub_aff/fee.html
the Golden Eagle Pass ($50) is available to any who pays the money. I have bought this pass many times and have never been asked to prove my citizenship.
Your problems with your UKAA membership will continue, as Americans have this horribly insular belief that the world ends at their shores. Most are totally unaware the UKAA even exists! I don't know if there is any way around this other than to see if you can get a temporary AAA membership card.
Aug 19th, 1998 | 10:34 AM
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1) Yes. My wife and I spent 2 weeks covering selections in the Southwest. We flew into Phoenix and then took a rental car around the region. Our route: Phoenix, Sedona, Grand Canyon, Page in Arizona; Monument Valley, Moab, Green River in Utah. On down to Las Vegas Nevada; outskirts of Los Angeles, San Diego California; back through lower Ariz. fly out of Phoenix. Stayed a few days here, few days there. Be sure in the desert areas to keep your gas tank full--great distances between some of the towns!
2)Your weather should be comfortable with practically no humidity in the air.
3)Don't know
4)When making reservations, if they cannot offer AAA discounts, ask if they have any "specials" at the time. Most hotels quote a standard room rate and will only offer discounted rates when asked for. However, most AAA discounts are identical to other discounts available (senior citizens, seasonal rates, etc.).
5)Be sure you drive along the Pacific Coast Highway when in So. California. Beautiful! You might want to plan for more time in San Diego--lots to see and do, clean city, friendly people. If I had it to do over, I would have skipped Monument Valley. Unless, that is, you've never taken a rental car "4-wheeling" or "off roading"!!!
2)Your weather should be comfortable with practically no humidity in the air.
3)Don't know
4)When making reservations, if they cannot offer AAA discounts, ask if they have any "specials" at the time. Most hotels quote a standard room rate and will only offer discounted rates when asked for. However, most AAA discounts are identical to other discounts available (senior citizens, seasonal rates, etc.).
5)Be sure you drive along the Pacific Coast Highway when in So. California. Beautiful! You might want to plan for more time in San Diego--lots to see and do, clean city, friendly people. If I had it to do over, I would have skipped Monument Valley. Unless, that is, you've never taken a rental car "4-wheeling" or "off roading"!!!
Aug 20th, 1998 | 02:50 AM
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Here's lots more than you ever wanted to know about our SW. Will try to also post direct so the web sites will be 'active': SOME SOUTHWEST POINTS OF INTEREST
NOTE: All map references refer to AAA map of Southwestern US. Listed alphabetically by State (AZ, CO, NM & UT). Areas listed represent only a selected portion of available locations. For more details, see your local Automobile Association for Tour & Camp Books and maps. Also check out the National Park Service Home Page: http://www.nps.gov/parks.html
(AZ/CO/NM/UT) Four Corners (Map Ref I25): The "CENTER OF THE SCENIC SOUTHWEST". Only location in US where you can place your hands & feet in four different States (Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico & Utah). Not much to see here but is a point of interest (can see Native Americans 'scalping' everyone else - financially). On the map draw a circle with the Four Corners as the center with a radius of about 250 miles - include Albuquerque & Colo Spgs. Within this circle lies the most spectacular scenery in the southwest! You can spend years trying to see everything within this circle.
(AZ) Canyon de Chelly Nat'l Monument (Map Ref J25):
http://www.nps.gov/cach/
Pronounced "Canyon de Shay". Located inside Navajo lands and much is controlled by them. View points along North Rim Drive and South Rim Drive (don't miss last view point on south rim). Hike down into canyon to view cliff dwellings. Can also join Navajo tour to drive you down into canyon. One day trip. Small campground. Motels nearby. Not too crowded.
(AZ) Grand Canyon Nat'l Park (Map Ref J20/21):
http://www.nps.gov/grca/ Grand Canyon National Park Service pages
http://www.kaibab.org/gc_home6.htm The "unofficial" Home Page on the Grand Canyon
http://www.thecanyon.com/nps/index.htm Grand Canyon Association site
http://www.gorp.com/gcjunkies/canyon.htm Grand Canyon hiking and backpacking
Too vast & spectacular to describe. Southern & Northern rims offer different views. South rim very busy - expect difficulties in parking at view points (crowded). North rim (Visitor facilities closed Oct 15 - May 15; Open for day use only Oct 15 - Dec 1 or until heavy snows close road) limited lodgings - reservations necessary even for campground. Mule trips booked up to a year in advance. Hardy hikers can hike to bottom for overnight trip - also booked far in advance. Scenic views along drive. (MUST SEE)
IMAX Theater: http://www.imaxtheatre.com/gcimax/index.htm Located in Tusayan, 8 miles south of the western entrance (AZ 64/US 180; South Rim of Grand Canyon), this 3-camera movie presents amazing views of Canyon areas. Shows daily at half past the hour. Get there early as it will be crowded (MUST SEE)
Steam Train: http://www.thetrain.com/ Runs out of Williams, AZ (I40 west of Flagstaff). Allows 3 hour stay at rim of Canyon.
Drive down into Canyon Peach Springs, AZ - west of Williams on old Route 66. Requires Permit from local Native Americans - their land. Drive is about 20 miles (one way) on dirt road to Colorado River at bottom of western edge of Grand Canyon.
(AZ/UT) Glen Canyon Nat'l Rec Area (Lake Powell) (Map Ref H/I22/23):
http://www.nps.gov/glca/
Vast man-made Lake extends back into beautiful natural canyons. Boat tours (from 1 hour to all day & dinner cruises) are available and scenic. Rental houseboats for longer trips. Colorado river rafting available Motels in Page, AZ. Camping nearby.
(AZ/UT) Monument Valley (Map Ref I23 at AZ/UT border):
http://www.canyonlands-utah.com/tribn.html
Magnificent mesas & buttes seen in many John Wayne westerns. Park is on Navaho land (Navajo Nation's Monument Valley Tribal Park) and mostly dirt roads but well worth seeing. Half day.
(CO) Black Canyon of The Gunnison Nat'l Monument (Map Ref G26):
http://www.nps.gov/blca/
Deep (over 2,000 feet) canyons cut into dark granite by Gunnison River. Spectacular views from lookout points. Nice but small campground. Flush toilets but no showers. Evening campfire talks by Rangers. Recommend one day. Motels in nearby Montrose.
(CO) Colorado Springs (Map Reg F29):
http://colorado.com/Colorado/towns/c...ngs/index.html
A great place to visit and see local attractions: Garden of the Gods, Seven Falls, Cave of the Winds, Pikes Peak, Cog Railway, Air Force Academy etc.
(CO) Durango-Silverton (Map Ref H26):
http://durango.org/. Some of most scenic views in CO. Start point (Durango) for Durango - Silverton Narrow Gage Steam Railroad: http://durango.org/durango/train.html & http://www.visitorinformation.com/durango/train.html. All day trips through canyons along Animas River. Reservations recommended. Phone: 970-247-2733.or 888-872-4607. Drive from Durango to Silverton & Ouray highly recommended. Campgrounds & motels available. Also close to Mesa Verde Nat'l Park. (MUST SEE)
(CO) Great Sand Dunes Nat'l Monument (Map Ref G/H29):
http://www.nps.gov/grsa/
Located in high (7,800 ft) valley, dunes rise up to 800 ft above floor. Hike up dunes but shifting sands make difficult. River flowing at base of dunes 'disappears' into sand. Hike to top considered strenuous. Hike up Mosca Pass Trail into green forest. Nice large campground. Flush toilets but no showers. Evening campfire talks by Rangers. Recommend overnight stay. Motels in nearby Alamosa.
(CO/UT) Hovenweep National Monument (Map Ref H24/25): http://www.nps.gov/hove/
An out-of-the-way site in southeastern Utah and southwestern Colorado about 40 miles west of Cortez, CO. Consists of a main site and several outlying sites. Main site has small Visitor's Center and small campground. Lovely walk takes in several ruins around and within small canyon. Ranger guided walk to rock art. Outlying sites somewhat rough roads but worth visiting. Solstice markers at Holly site not marked but worth observing during solstice periods (need guide to show where located). Motels in nearby Cortez.
(CO) Mesa Verde Nat'l Park (Map Ref H/I25):
http://www.nps.gov/meve/ and http://mesaverde.org/ and
http://www.gorp.com/gorp/resource/US...rk/co_mesa.HTM
The best examples of early Native American cliff dwellings. Views from cliff rims and several Ranger-guided tours through ruins. Balcony House & Cliff Palace require tickets purchased at Visitor's Center - about 15 miles before ruins. Expect waits in line and difficulties in getting a time you want. Balcony House tour requires climbing ladders & exit via hands & knees through narrow 'tunnel'. Do it if you can stand the heights & climb. Very large campground with hikes & Ranger programs. Commercial Laundromat & showers by campground. Knife Edge Trail an easy walk. Prater Ridge Trail longer and on top of mesa. Hike up to Lookout Point strenuous but views worth it (no guard rails). Motels available nearby. (MUST SEE)
(CO) Pike's Peak (Map Ref F29 - west of Colorado Springs): Famous for 'Pike's Peak or Bust' slogan of early settlers. Over 14,000 ft elevation west of Colorado Springs. Can drive up or take Cog Railroad (Manitou Springs). Drive from Colorado Springs to Cripple Creek via dirt 'Old Gold Camp Road' very scenic. From Cripple Creek to Canon City via dirt 'Phantom Canyon' road also very scenic (Not for motor homes or towed trailers). (MUST SEE)
(CO) Royal Gorge (Map Ref G29 - west of Canon City):
http://electricstores.com/bridge/default.htm
Wooden-planked suspension bridge 1,100 ft over gorge & river. A bit 'Touristy' but worth the visit. May walk or drive smaller vehicles over bridge or take cable car across. Breath-taking view down.
(NM) Albuquerque (Map Ref K28):
http://www.viva.com/nm/cen.html
Great place to start your tour. Lots of history here. Don't miss 'Old Town' for shopping. Great southwest foods. International Hot Air Balloon Fiesta in late Sept./early Oct (http://www.aibf.org/). Also Sandia Tramway (Longest aerial tramway) east of Albuquerque. View at evening sunset is wonderful. Restaurant at top - reservations recommended.
(NM) Bandelier Nat'l Monument (Map Ref J28): http://www.nps.gov/band/
Native American ruins northwest of Santa Fe, NM. Combination of stone dwellings and caves in soft stone. Small park subject to close due to overcrowding on weekends. Nice quiet walk through Main Ruins Loop. Moderately strenuous climb to 'Ceremonial Cave' 140 ft up series of ladders & steps. Falls Trail below Visitor's Center to view falls and on to Rio Grande. Frey Trail to/from campground. longer back country hiking available. Nice but small campground. Flush toilets but no showers. Evening campfire talks by Rangers. Recommend one full day. Motels in nearby Los Alamos.
(NM) Chaco (Canyon) Culture Nat'l Historic Park (Map Ref J26):
http://www.nps.gov/chcu/
Center of Anasazi Native American culture. Large stone ruins - stay off ruins but walk through many of them very interesting. Several movies at visitor center - should see. Drive into area via bumpy dirt road (20 miles via south entrance or 11 miles via north entrance) - don't take in rainy weather. Road discourages many potential visitors but is well worth the trip (and keeps the crowds small). Campground small & dry. Take your own water. Flush toilets but no showers. Evening campfire talks by Rangers. Hiking requires free permit (Visitor's Center). Pueblo Alto Trail overlooks several ruins - begins behind Kin Kletso ruin. Take 'Hidden Trail' up to first mesa level & continue up several more levels - up to 5 mile hike but can take shorter. Don't miss overlook of Pueblo Bonito. Tsin Kletsin (South Mesa) Trail begins at Casa Rinconada ruin and goes up to mesa top overlooking much of Canyon. Front side of trail interesting but back side takes you down some dry & hot canyons - recommend go as far as canyon overlook on back side and then come back down front side. Other hikes available. Recommend 1-2 day (2 night) visit. Motels & commercial campgrounds available in Grants or Bloomfield. (MUST SEE)
(NM) Chama (Map Ref I28):
http://www.viva.com/nm/nc.chama.html and
http://www.rmii.com/slv/alamosa/ccs/antonito/train.html
One of the most beautiful valleys (8,000 ft altitude) in New Mexico. Start point for NM end of Cumbres-Toltec Narrow Gage Steam Railroad: http://www.xpert.net/wedgwood/cumbres/index.html http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homep...hter/focts.htm
Phone for reservations: (505) 756-2151. Day trips into mountains with stop over for lunch - begins at 8,000 ft and climbs to just over 10,000 ft Cumbres Pass. Also starts from Antonito, CO. Departs at 10:30 daily (Chama)/ 10:00 (Antonito); come early to watch train preparations. Reservations recommended. Campgrounds & Motels available. Recommend one day to ride train & another to film train from highway points. (MUST SEE)
(NM) El Malipais Nat'l Monument (Map Ref L26 - at Grants):
http://www.nps.gov/elma/
Large area of lava fields created by early volcanic activity. Can view portions from roads. Rugged trails through lava flow areas - free permit at Ranger Station in Grants. Lava tubes may be visited only with high clearance vehicle. Ice caves are commercial tourist spot. Large natural arch on eastern edge of area just off paved road (NM 117).
(NM) El Morro Nat'l Monument (Map Ref L26):
http://www.nps.gov/elmo/
Also known as 'Inscription Rock'. Prehistoric Native American markings as well as early Spanish & American explorers. Large pool of water was important stopping place in this arid region. Inscription Trail easy walk on paved surface. Mesa Top Trail nice hike up cliffs for views and Native American ruins. Nice but small campground. Pit toilets and no showers. Evening campfire talks by Rangers. Campgrounds & motels in nearby Grants. Recommend day visit.
(NM) Rio Grande Gorge Bridge (Map Ref I29): Located on highway 64, northwest of Taos. Drop of over 600 ft to Rio Grande River at bottom of gorge. Drive along highway 64 from Taos to Chama very scenic. Also, white water rafting around Taos.
(UT) Arches Nat'l Park (Map Ref G24):
http://www.nps.gov/arch/
Also: http://www.canyonlands-utah.com/archn.html
Just north of Moab, UT, this area contains the most natural arches in a relatively small area. Lovely hikes from short to moderately long. Especially nice are Devils Garden/ Landscape Arch (moderate) and Delicate Arch (moderately strenuous) - don't miss Delicate Arch even if you have to take the easy viewpoint rather than the hike up to it. Nice but small campground hard to get into - space available early AM. Flush toilets but no showers. Evening campfire talks by Rangers. Recommend 2 days minimum. Motels & campgrounds available in nearby Moab. Also see Canyonlands & Dead Horse Point. (MUST SEE).
(UT) Bryce Canyon Nat'l Park (Map Ref H21):
http://www.nps.gov/brca/
Not really a canyon but the edge of a mesa that has been eroded by water and left spectacular views. Lookout points from long drive along top of mesa. Lots of hiking. Several nice hikes down through scenic areas. Navajo Loop Trail and Queen's Garden Trail can be done together. Hint: Start at Sunset Point as trail is steeper there and easier to go down. Two large campgrounds but park is very busy. Flush toilets but no showers. Showers & commercial camping available outside park. Evening campfire talks by Rangers. Recommend 2 days. Motels outside park (MUST SEE)
(UT) Canyonlands Nat'l Park (Map Ref G/H23/24):
http://www.nps.gov/cany/
also: http://www.canyonlands-utah.com/
A very large area located west of Moab, UT. Upper regions of Grand Canyon. Many views only can be reached by 4 wheel drive vehicles. Tours available from Moab. Motels and campgrounds in Moab. Consists of three 'districts':
Island in the Sky (Northern area): US-191 about 10 miles north of Moab to UT313. West & south to Park. Paved road all the way to Grand View Point - lovely drive. (Note: Dead Horse Point State Park turnoff is found about 18 miles into UT-313 - see below). Drive down/up Shaffer Trail (dirt) not for 'faint-hearted' (1,200 ft drop in about 2 mile drive) but worth every 'gut-wrenching' moment (Not for motor homes or towed trailers). Hiking trails available but very hot in summer - take lots of water. Water not available in the Island area but is available in Dead Horse Point. Recommend one day for this area and Dead Horse Point (see below).
The Needles (Southern area): US-191 about 40 miles south of Moab to UT-211. West about 50 miles (all paved) to Visitor's Center - lovely drive. Newspaper Rock (about 12 miles along UT-211 - see below). Camping (pit toilets) & hiking trails available but very hot in summer - take lots of water. Water available spring through fall. Four-wheel drive roads are just that - need high clearance. Recommend one day.
The Maze (Western area): The most primitive area and not many casual visitors. Lots of dirt roads and no water available. Have full gas tank and take lots of water. From Ut-24 or 95, take paved (some) and dirt (lots) roads to overlooks. Worthwhile for dedicated but not for casual visitor. Primitive camping & hiking available.
(UT) Capitol Reef Nat'l Park (Map Ref G/H22):
http://www.nps.gov/care/
Spectacular views from along scenic drive areas. Mostly paved but some dirt to enter canyon areas. Be sure to take Scenic Drive. Hiking available. Nice but small campground located in fruit orchard. Flush toilets but no showers. Evening campfire talks by Rangers. Full day recommended. Limited motels.
(UT) Dead Horse Point State Park (Map Ref G24):
http://www.canyonlands-utah.com/
Very spectacular view point overlooking Colorado river (2,000 ft below). View seems to change by time of day. Lovely drive just northwest of Moab & Arches Nat'l Park. Continue further to view Island In The Sky area of Canyonlands. Leave 'Pucker Pass' to the Pros. Nice but small campground. Flush toilets but no showers. Recommend one day. (MUST SEE)
(UT) Newspaper Rock State Historic Monument: (Map Ref H24):http://www.canyonlands-utah.com/newsn.html
A vast collection of early Native American rock drawings. Located along state road 211 into Canyonlands The Needles area. Views along drive & past Newspaper Rock worth effort. Motels & camping in nearby Moab.
(UT) Moab (Map Ref G24):
http://www.canyonlands-utah.com/moabn.html
Center of spectacular red rock scenery areas. Also, white water rafting in Colorado river and jeep tours of Canyonlands areas. Motels & Campgrounds available. Mountain scenery in nearby LaSal mountains. (MUST SEE)
(UT) Zion Nat'l Park (Map Ref H/I20):
http://www.nps.gov/zion
Magnificent views along road. Scenic Drive subject to crowding. Hiking available from easy to strenuous. Drive through Park offers different views when driving East to West and West to East. Cinemax theater (Springdale) worth seeing. Two campgrounds in park. National Reservation Service: 1-800-365-CAMP Motels & campgrounds available nearby.
Native American Music: Check at Park Visitor Centers for music by R. Carlos Nakai. Wonderful wood flute music (sometimes accompanied by William Eaton on strings). Some of my favorite albums are: Canyon Trilogy, Desert Dance, Carry the Gift, Sundance Season, Feather Stone & Light and Changes. Also available through Canyon Records: http://www.canyonrecords.com/artnakai.htm and some local music stores.
NOTE: All map references refer to AAA map of Southwestern US. Listed alphabetically by State (AZ, CO, NM & UT). Areas listed represent only a selected portion of available locations. For more details, see your local Automobile Association for Tour & Camp Books and maps. Also check out the National Park Service Home Page: http://www.nps.gov/parks.html
(AZ/CO/NM/UT) Four Corners (Map Ref I25): The "CENTER OF THE SCENIC SOUTHWEST". Only location in US where you can place your hands & feet in four different States (Arizona, Colorado, New Mexico & Utah). Not much to see here but is a point of interest (can see Native Americans 'scalping' everyone else - financially). On the map draw a circle with the Four Corners as the center with a radius of about 250 miles - include Albuquerque & Colo Spgs. Within this circle lies the most spectacular scenery in the southwest! You can spend years trying to see everything within this circle.
(AZ) Canyon de Chelly Nat'l Monument (Map Ref J25):
http://www.nps.gov/cach/
Pronounced "Canyon de Shay". Located inside Navajo lands and much is controlled by them. View points along North Rim Drive and South Rim Drive (don't miss last view point on south rim). Hike down into canyon to view cliff dwellings. Can also join Navajo tour to drive you down into canyon. One day trip. Small campground. Motels nearby. Not too crowded.
(AZ) Grand Canyon Nat'l Park (Map Ref J20/21):
http://www.nps.gov/grca/ Grand Canyon National Park Service pages
http://www.kaibab.org/gc_home6.htm The "unofficial" Home Page on the Grand Canyon
http://www.thecanyon.com/nps/index.htm Grand Canyon Association site
http://www.gorp.com/gcjunkies/canyon.htm Grand Canyon hiking and backpacking
Too vast & spectacular to describe. Southern & Northern rims offer different views. South rim very busy - expect difficulties in parking at view points (crowded). North rim (Visitor facilities closed Oct 15 - May 15; Open for day use only Oct 15 - Dec 1 or until heavy snows close road) limited lodgings - reservations necessary even for campground. Mule trips booked up to a year in advance. Hardy hikers can hike to bottom for overnight trip - also booked far in advance. Scenic views along drive. (MUST SEE)
IMAX Theater: http://www.imaxtheatre.com/gcimax/index.htm Located in Tusayan, 8 miles south of the western entrance (AZ 64/US 180; South Rim of Grand Canyon), this 3-camera movie presents amazing views of Canyon areas. Shows daily at half past the hour. Get there early as it will be crowded (MUST SEE)
Steam Train: http://www.thetrain.com/ Runs out of Williams, AZ (I40 west of Flagstaff). Allows 3 hour stay at rim of Canyon.
Drive down into Canyon Peach Springs, AZ - west of Williams on old Route 66. Requires Permit from local Native Americans - their land. Drive is about 20 miles (one way) on dirt road to Colorado River at bottom of western edge of Grand Canyon.
(AZ/UT) Glen Canyon Nat'l Rec Area (Lake Powell) (Map Ref H/I22/23):
http://www.nps.gov/glca/
Vast man-made Lake extends back into beautiful natural canyons. Boat tours (from 1 hour to all day & dinner cruises) are available and scenic. Rental houseboats for longer trips. Colorado river rafting available Motels in Page, AZ. Camping nearby.
(AZ/UT) Monument Valley (Map Ref I23 at AZ/UT border):
http://www.canyonlands-utah.com/tribn.html
Magnificent mesas & buttes seen in many John Wayne westerns. Park is on Navaho land (Navajo Nation's Monument Valley Tribal Park) and mostly dirt roads but well worth seeing. Half day.
(CO) Black Canyon of The Gunnison Nat'l Monument (Map Ref G26):
http://www.nps.gov/blca/
Deep (over 2,000 feet) canyons cut into dark granite by Gunnison River. Spectacular views from lookout points. Nice but small campground. Flush toilets but no showers. Evening campfire talks by Rangers. Recommend one day. Motels in nearby Montrose.
(CO) Colorado Springs (Map Reg F29):
http://colorado.com/Colorado/towns/c...ngs/index.html
A great place to visit and see local attractions: Garden of the Gods, Seven Falls, Cave of the Winds, Pikes Peak, Cog Railway, Air Force Academy etc.
(CO) Durango-Silverton (Map Ref H26):
http://durango.org/. Some of most scenic views in CO. Start point (Durango) for Durango - Silverton Narrow Gage Steam Railroad: http://durango.org/durango/train.html & http://www.visitorinformation.com/durango/train.html. All day trips through canyons along Animas River. Reservations recommended. Phone: 970-247-2733.or 888-872-4607. Drive from Durango to Silverton & Ouray highly recommended. Campgrounds & motels available. Also close to Mesa Verde Nat'l Park. (MUST SEE)
(CO) Great Sand Dunes Nat'l Monument (Map Ref G/H29):
http://www.nps.gov/grsa/
Located in high (7,800 ft) valley, dunes rise up to 800 ft above floor. Hike up dunes but shifting sands make difficult. River flowing at base of dunes 'disappears' into sand. Hike to top considered strenuous. Hike up Mosca Pass Trail into green forest. Nice large campground. Flush toilets but no showers. Evening campfire talks by Rangers. Recommend overnight stay. Motels in nearby Alamosa.
(CO/UT) Hovenweep National Monument (Map Ref H24/25): http://www.nps.gov/hove/
An out-of-the-way site in southeastern Utah and southwestern Colorado about 40 miles west of Cortez, CO. Consists of a main site and several outlying sites. Main site has small Visitor's Center and small campground. Lovely walk takes in several ruins around and within small canyon. Ranger guided walk to rock art. Outlying sites somewhat rough roads but worth visiting. Solstice markers at Holly site not marked but worth observing during solstice periods (need guide to show where located). Motels in nearby Cortez.
(CO) Mesa Verde Nat'l Park (Map Ref H/I25):
http://www.nps.gov/meve/ and http://mesaverde.org/ and
http://www.gorp.com/gorp/resource/US...rk/co_mesa.HTM
The best examples of early Native American cliff dwellings. Views from cliff rims and several Ranger-guided tours through ruins. Balcony House & Cliff Palace require tickets purchased at Visitor's Center - about 15 miles before ruins. Expect waits in line and difficulties in getting a time you want. Balcony House tour requires climbing ladders & exit via hands & knees through narrow 'tunnel'. Do it if you can stand the heights & climb. Very large campground with hikes & Ranger programs. Commercial Laundromat & showers by campground. Knife Edge Trail an easy walk. Prater Ridge Trail longer and on top of mesa. Hike up to Lookout Point strenuous but views worth it (no guard rails). Motels available nearby. (MUST SEE)
(CO) Pike's Peak (Map Ref F29 - west of Colorado Springs): Famous for 'Pike's Peak or Bust' slogan of early settlers. Over 14,000 ft elevation west of Colorado Springs. Can drive up or take Cog Railroad (Manitou Springs). Drive from Colorado Springs to Cripple Creek via dirt 'Old Gold Camp Road' very scenic. From Cripple Creek to Canon City via dirt 'Phantom Canyon' road also very scenic (Not for motor homes or towed trailers). (MUST SEE)
(CO) Royal Gorge (Map Ref G29 - west of Canon City):
http://electricstores.com/bridge/default.htm
Wooden-planked suspension bridge 1,100 ft over gorge & river. A bit 'Touristy' but worth the visit. May walk or drive smaller vehicles over bridge or take cable car across. Breath-taking view down.
(NM) Albuquerque (Map Ref K28):
http://www.viva.com/nm/cen.html
Great place to start your tour. Lots of history here. Don't miss 'Old Town' for shopping. Great southwest foods. International Hot Air Balloon Fiesta in late Sept./early Oct (http://www.aibf.org/). Also Sandia Tramway (Longest aerial tramway) east of Albuquerque. View at evening sunset is wonderful. Restaurant at top - reservations recommended.
(NM) Bandelier Nat'l Monument (Map Ref J28): http://www.nps.gov/band/
Native American ruins northwest of Santa Fe, NM. Combination of stone dwellings and caves in soft stone. Small park subject to close due to overcrowding on weekends. Nice quiet walk through Main Ruins Loop. Moderately strenuous climb to 'Ceremonial Cave' 140 ft up series of ladders & steps. Falls Trail below Visitor's Center to view falls and on to Rio Grande. Frey Trail to/from campground. longer back country hiking available. Nice but small campground. Flush toilets but no showers. Evening campfire talks by Rangers. Recommend one full day. Motels in nearby Los Alamos.
(NM) Chaco (Canyon) Culture Nat'l Historic Park (Map Ref J26):
http://www.nps.gov/chcu/
Center of Anasazi Native American culture. Large stone ruins - stay off ruins but walk through many of them very interesting. Several movies at visitor center - should see. Drive into area via bumpy dirt road (20 miles via south entrance or 11 miles via north entrance) - don't take in rainy weather. Road discourages many potential visitors but is well worth the trip (and keeps the crowds small). Campground small & dry. Take your own water. Flush toilets but no showers. Evening campfire talks by Rangers. Hiking requires free permit (Visitor's Center). Pueblo Alto Trail overlooks several ruins - begins behind Kin Kletso ruin. Take 'Hidden Trail' up to first mesa level & continue up several more levels - up to 5 mile hike but can take shorter. Don't miss overlook of Pueblo Bonito. Tsin Kletsin (South Mesa) Trail begins at Casa Rinconada ruin and goes up to mesa top overlooking much of Canyon. Front side of trail interesting but back side takes you down some dry & hot canyons - recommend go as far as canyon overlook on back side and then come back down front side. Other hikes available. Recommend 1-2 day (2 night) visit. Motels & commercial campgrounds available in Grants or Bloomfield. (MUST SEE)
(NM) Chama (Map Ref I28):
http://www.viva.com/nm/nc.chama.html and
http://www.rmii.com/slv/alamosa/ccs/antonito/train.html
One of the most beautiful valleys (8,000 ft altitude) in New Mexico. Start point for NM end of Cumbres-Toltec Narrow Gage Steam Railroad: http://www.xpert.net/wedgwood/cumbres/index.html http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homep...hter/focts.htm
Phone for reservations: (505) 756-2151. Day trips into mountains with stop over for lunch - begins at 8,000 ft and climbs to just over 10,000 ft Cumbres Pass. Also starts from Antonito, CO. Departs at 10:30 daily (Chama)/ 10:00 (Antonito); come early to watch train preparations. Reservations recommended. Campgrounds & Motels available. Recommend one day to ride train & another to film train from highway points. (MUST SEE)
(NM) El Malipais Nat'l Monument (Map Ref L26 - at Grants):
http://www.nps.gov/elma/
Large area of lava fields created by early volcanic activity. Can view portions from roads. Rugged trails through lava flow areas - free permit at Ranger Station in Grants. Lava tubes may be visited only with high clearance vehicle. Ice caves are commercial tourist spot. Large natural arch on eastern edge of area just off paved road (NM 117).
(NM) El Morro Nat'l Monument (Map Ref L26):
http://www.nps.gov/elmo/
Also known as 'Inscription Rock'. Prehistoric Native American markings as well as early Spanish & American explorers. Large pool of water was important stopping place in this arid region. Inscription Trail easy walk on paved surface. Mesa Top Trail nice hike up cliffs for views and Native American ruins. Nice but small campground. Pit toilets and no showers. Evening campfire talks by Rangers. Campgrounds & motels in nearby Grants. Recommend day visit.
(NM) Rio Grande Gorge Bridge (Map Ref I29): Located on highway 64, northwest of Taos. Drop of over 600 ft to Rio Grande River at bottom of gorge. Drive along highway 64 from Taos to Chama very scenic. Also, white water rafting around Taos.
(UT) Arches Nat'l Park (Map Ref G24):
http://www.nps.gov/arch/
Also: http://www.canyonlands-utah.com/archn.html
Just north of Moab, UT, this area contains the most natural arches in a relatively small area. Lovely hikes from short to moderately long. Especially nice are Devils Garden/ Landscape Arch (moderate) and Delicate Arch (moderately strenuous) - don't miss Delicate Arch even if you have to take the easy viewpoint rather than the hike up to it. Nice but small campground hard to get into - space available early AM. Flush toilets but no showers. Evening campfire talks by Rangers. Recommend 2 days minimum. Motels & campgrounds available in nearby Moab. Also see Canyonlands & Dead Horse Point. (MUST SEE).
(UT) Bryce Canyon Nat'l Park (Map Ref H21):
http://www.nps.gov/brca/
Not really a canyon but the edge of a mesa that has been eroded by water and left spectacular views. Lookout points from long drive along top of mesa. Lots of hiking. Several nice hikes down through scenic areas. Navajo Loop Trail and Queen's Garden Trail can be done together. Hint: Start at Sunset Point as trail is steeper there and easier to go down. Two large campgrounds but park is very busy. Flush toilets but no showers. Showers & commercial camping available outside park. Evening campfire talks by Rangers. Recommend 2 days. Motels outside park (MUST SEE)
(UT) Canyonlands Nat'l Park (Map Ref G/H23/24):
http://www.nps.gov/cany/
also: http://www.canyonlands-utah.com/
A very large area located west of Moab, UT. Upper regions of Grand Canyon. Many views only can be reached by 4 wheel drive vehicles. Tours available from Moab. Motels and campgrounds in Moab. Consists of three 'districts':
Island in the Sky (Northern area): US-191 about 10 miles north of Moab to UT313. West & south to Park. Paved road all the way to Grand View Point - lovely drive. (Note: Dead Horse Point State Park turnoff is found about 18 miles into UT-313 - see below). Drive down/up Shaffer Trail (dirt) not for 'faint-hearted' (1,200 ft drop in about 2 mile drive) but worth every 'gut-wrenching' moment (Not for motor homes or towed trailers). Hiking trails available but very hot in summer - take lots of water. Water not available in the Island area but is available in Dead Horse Point. Recommend one day for this area and Dead Horse Point (see below).
The Needles (Southern area): US-191 about 40 miles south of Moab to UT-211. West about 50 miles (all paved) to Visitor's Center - lovely drive. Newspaper Rock (about 12 miles along UT-211 - see below). Camping (pit toilets) & hiking trails available but very hot in summer - take lots of water. Water available spring through fall. Four-wheel drive roads are just that - need high clearance. Recommend one day.
The Maze (Western area): The most primitive area and not many casual visitors. Lots of dirt roads and no water available. Have full gas tank and take lots of water. From Ut-24 or 95, take paved (some) and dirt (lots) roads to overlooks. Worthwhile for dedicated but not for casual visitor. Primitive camping & hiking available.
(UT) Capitol Reef Nat'l Park (Map Ref G/H22):
http://www.nps.gov/care/
Spectacular views from along scenic drive areas. Mostly paved but some dirt to enter canyon areas. Be sure to take Scenic Drive. Hiking available. Nice but small campground located in fruit orchard. Flush toilets but no showers. Evening campfire talks by Rangers. Full day recommended. Limited motels.
(UT) Dead Horse Point State Park (Map Ref G24):
http://www.canyonlands-utah.com/
Very spectacular view point overlooking Colorado river (2,000 ft below). View seems to change by time of day. Lovely drive just northwest of Moab & Arches Nat'l Park. Continue further to view Island In The Sky area of Canyonlands. Leave 'Pucker Pass' to the Pros. Nice but small campground. Flush toilets but no showers. Recommend one day. (MUST SEE)
(UT) Newspaper Rock State Historic Monument: (Map Ref H24):http://www.canyonlands-utah.com/newsn.html
A vast collection of early Native American rock drawings. Located along state road 211 into Canyonlands The Needles area. Views along drive & past Newspaper Rock worth effort. Motels & camping in nearby Moab.
(UT) Moab (Map Ref G24):
http://www.canyonlands-utah.com/moabn.html
Center of spectacular red rock scenery areas. Also, white water rafting in Colorado river and jeep tours of Canyonlands areas. Motels & Campgrounds available. Mountain scenery in nearby LaSal mountains. (MUST SEE)
(UT) Zion Nat'l Park (Map Ref H/I20):
http://www.nps.gov/zion
Magnificent views along road. Scenic Drive subject to crowding. Hiking available from easy to strenuous. Drive through Park offers different views when driving East to West and West to East. Cinemax theater (Springdale) worth seeing. Two campgrounds in park. National Reservation Service: 1-800-365-CAMP Motels & campgrounds available nearby.
Native American Music: Check at Park Visitor Centers for music by R. Carlos Nakai. Wonderful wood flute music (sometimes accompanied by William Eaton on strings). Some of my favorite albums are: Canyon Trilogy, Desert Dance, Carry the Gift, Sundance Season, Feather Stone & Light and Changes. Also available through Canyon Records: http://www.canyonrecords.com/artnakai.htm and some local music stores.
Aug 21st, 1998 | 07:10 AM
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You really don't have enoguh time to visit everywhere. Plan on a few days in the San Diego area. Lots to see and do and it is a very pleasant area. Like the previous person said, Laguna beach is nothing special. it is just another California beach city. Try a couple day visit to San Francisco. It is truly worth it. You can fly from San Diego - San Francisco for $84.00 /rt. Las vegas is a must. Doesn't matter if you gamble. It is the shining example of what glitz and glamor are all about. There are so many places to see and things to do. It is impossible to list them all
Aug 25th, 1998 | 08:18 PM
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Hi! As a native Californian who has traveled almost everywhere in the West, I agree that the southwestern US is my favorite area! Larry, above, gave lots of great, detailed info. If possible, I would suggest flying into SD and out of somewhere else. You'll make the most of your time. Personally, I hate Las Vegas and the drive there from southern CA is 4.5 hours and quite boring. But if you have to see it, you might consider: San Diego to Orange County - fly to Las Vegas - rent car and drive from there. Try to see some of either the Rockies in Colorado or Utah or the Sierras in California. What you will see in the West will all be completely new to you. Take lots of film! Feel free to e mail me if you would like any details. PS: I live near Laguna Beach and it's a nice place to visit. Lots of art galleries and beautiful coastline. Good for an afternoon. Very typical California beach town -- see at least one of them.
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Aug 26th, 1998 | 07:24 AM
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Re: AAA discounts
I have never been asked to show my AAA card when I checked into a motel and was given the AAA special rate. In fact, when I make reservations I ask the question "Do you honor any discounts...AAA, AARP, Senior Citizens, Business Travel? How can you help me get a better rate?" When I get a "special rate", I seldom know which discount applies. However, I am consistently asked for my card when using the discount for admission to "entertainment" type activities.
On another note, if you are planning to stay at Best Western Motels, you can get their best rate by calling their 800 number, not by calling the hotel direct which is the best rate method for many other chains.
I have never been asked to show my AAA card when I checked into a motel and was given the AAA special rate. In fact, when I make reservations I ask the question "Do you honor any discounts...AAA, AARP, Senior Citizens, Business Travel? How can you help me get a better rate?" When I get a "special rate", I seldom know which discount applies. However, I am consistently asked for my card when using the discount for admission to "entertainment" type activities.
On another note, if you are planning to stay at Best Western Motels, you can get their best rate by calling their 800 number, not by calling the hotel direct which is the best rate method for many other chains.
Aug 31st, 1998 | 12:52 PM
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Although you've received such a bible of information in the above posts--just to add my 2 cents worth. Always ask for any special prices at hotels--there are weekend rates, rental car rates, senior rates all kinds of things, and I would try getting some official reciprocity with our AAA before you depart. Be aware that the AAA discount is usually only 10% however. You will have the advantage over many in that this is an ideal time to visit Death Valley! I think the good resort there is called Furnace Creek or Furnace Inn. Be aware that although the airfare is inexpensive to fly to SF, November begins our rainy season----wait to confirm the weather. I agree that I can't stand Las Vegas, but the tourists like it so who am I.....? Sedona is wondeful and another place you might want to consider is Santa Fe, New Mexico. We have an airline called SWA---Southwest Air--that is no frills and very good fares for short hauls within the Southwest. That might save you some of the driving. San Diego's weather is basically the same all year---nice but neither hot nor cold. The North Rim might be off season, South Rim will be OK, maybe cool. And I happen to love Laguna Beach!! Go for it! P.S. Remember that the 4th Thursday of November is our Thanksgiving--usually a family holiday, so dining reservations might be a bit of a problem.
