SF/Wine Country or SF/Big Sur?
Jan 17th, 2007, 03:18 PM
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SF/Wine Country or SF/Big Sur?
DH and I are going to California for the first time in July for 6 nights. We want to spend part of the time in the city of San Francisco and part of the time somewhere else. Should we do Napa or Sonoma, or should we take a drive down the coast and spend a couple of days in Carmel/Montery/Big Sur? Thanks!
Jan 17th, 2007, 03:37 PM
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That's a question only you can answer. Beautiful coast, or beautiful wine growing region. It really depends on your preferences. If you've rarely (if ever) get to see the ocean, then I would do that.
In July, there could be lots of fog along the coast, and the wine region could be quite hot. Whe wine region is about 1 hr closer to SF than the Big Sur coast.
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In July, there could be lots of fog along the coast, and the wine region could be quite hot. Whe wine region is about 1 hr closer to SF than the Big Sur coast.
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Jan 17th, 2007, 03:40 PM
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Sounds like a great trip. I live in Northern California and must say it depends what you like. I absolutely love both Napa and Big Sur for short trips. If you are a wine lover - a Napa visit is a must do... but Big Sur is the most beautiful place in California for stunning views. Carmel is quaint and worth a visit, and for me, Monterey is good for seeing the aquarium - but I'd rather spend my time in Carmel and Big Sur. I generally don't visit in the Summer – so be wary of the summer fog. Where are you visiting from? If you can ocean vistas at home and you love wine, maybe Napa is the one. If not, I’d lean toward Big Sur/Carmel area.
Jan 17th, 2007, 03:53 PM
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That is a very hard question to give advice on. I am glad you are not trying to do both. San Francisco deserves a lot of time.
I guess my suggestion would be a day, or day-night-day trip to the Napa/Sonoma wine country. Then you need to decide whether you want to do Napa or Sonoma. Warning...there is a town of Napa and a town of Sonoma, and their valleys with the same names. But, Sonoma COUNTY also has wineries outside of the Sonoma Valley....Healdsburg, Russian River, Alexander Valley, for example. From the Golden Gate Bridge you can be in either place in an hour plus, depending on how far into the valleys you go.
If you decide on wine, I would really suggest the Sonoma Valley, which has over 40 wineries in its 18-mile length, and the Valley is beautiful and not traffic clogged like the Napa Valley.
If you decide on this, I would recommend staying near the town of Sonoma, which is historic, built around a pretty 11-acre Plaza ringed with adobe buildings from the Mexican era, now housing boutiques and restaurants, etc. The town of Napa is just a town.
In and around Sonoma I can recommend the El Pueblo Inn....about a mile from the Plaza, newly redone with gardens and a pool and do-it-yourself waffles for breakfast, and the price is reasonable. On the Plaza is the historic El Dorado Hotel..(one of the adobes). Both of these can be googled.
www.sonomavalley.com for info on wineries, etc.
If you decide to do Carmel/Monterey/Big Sur, you will also need a day-night-day. Here, you will be mostly sightseeing, but the Big Sur coast is beautiful. I live too close to it to make lodging recommendations, but if you go to the travel forum on tripadvisor.com and do a search, you will get all kinds of advice.
Whatever you do, do not rent a car until you are ready to leave San Francisco. It is not only a hindrance in a city with traffic and which has a great public transportation system, but parking is very costly, even, or especially, in your hotel garage.
Oh...one caveat, the Monterey/Carmel/Big Sur area may well have summer fog in July, while the Napa/Sonoma area will be sunny.
Have a great trip.
I guess my suggestion would be a day, or day-night-day trip to the Napa/Sonoma wine country. Then you need to decide whether you want to do Napa or Sonoma. Warning...there is a town of Napa and a town of Sonoma, and their valleys with the same names. But, Sonoma COUNTY also has wineries outside of the Sonoma Valley....Healdsburg, Russian River, Alexander Valley, for example. From the Golden Gate Bridge you can be in either place in an hour plus, depending on how far into the valleys you go.
If you decide on wine, I would really suggest the Sonoma Valley, which has over 40 wineries in its 18-mile length, and the Valley is beautiful and not traffic clogged like the Napa Valley.
If you decide on this, I would recommend staying near the town of Sonoma, which is historic, built around a pretty 11-acre Plaza ringed with adobe buildings from the Mexican era, now housing boutiques and restaurants, etc. The town of Napa is just a town.
In and around Sonoma I can recommend the El Pueblo Inn....about a mile from the Plaza, newly redone with gardens and a pool and do-it-yourself waffles for breakfast, and the price is reasonable. On the Plaza is the historic El Dorado Hotel..(one of the adobes). Both of these can be googled.
www.sonomavalley.com for info on wineries, etc.
If you decide to do Carmel/Monterey/Big Sur, you will also need a day-night-day. Here, you will be mostly sightseeing, but the Big Sur coast is beautiful. I live too close to it to make lodging recommendations, but if you go to the travel forum on tripadvisor.com and do a search, you will get all kinds of advice.
Whatever you do, do not rent a car until you are ready to leave San Francisco. It is not only a hindrance in a city with traffic and which has a great public transportation system, but parking is very costly, even, or especially, in your hotel garage.
Oh...one caveat, the Monterey/Carmel/Big Sur area may well have summer fog in July, while the Napa/Sonoma area will be sunny.
Have a great trip.
Jan 17th, 2007, 04:01 PM
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Something else to consider - wine grapes grow lots of places in California, not just the "wine country" so you can have both wine and Big Sur. There are wineries in the Monterey area and the Santa Cruz mountains that you could visit on the way to Big Sur. Although Napa and Sonoma and the surrounding areas have a beauty and atmosphere all their own, you don't have to go to that area to visit wineries and sample some fabulous CA wine 
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Personally, I would do Big Sur/Carmel and Monterey. I am not a huge fan of wine and I found Sonoma and the wineries quite boring; however, my husband (a wine lover) loved it. We went the second week of August and everything seemed kind of dried out. The town of Sonoma is pretty but I found Carmel a lot more charming. If you go to Monterey, I would skip the aquarium (I know I will hear about that!). The ride along the coast is beautiful!
Have fun planning your trip!
Have fun planning your trip!
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I'm another Carmel/Big Sur vote, since I think Big Sur has some of the most spectacular coast in the world. I second the suggestion that if you are wine lovers, you can satisfy that love with a drive up the Carmel Valley to visit wineries there. It also will be sunny in July.
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Go to napa and stay put. Carmel was nice, but doesn't compare. Recently went to www.thecarnerosinn.com and when it came time to leave, we were all phoning our bosses with sudden illnesses, calling the airlines to push back the trip two days. We didn't want to leave. It's paradise. It really is.
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Depends if you really like wine or not!! If you love wine, then wine country is a must do. If you love coastal scenery then Carmel/Big Sur is a 'must do!' I find Carmel a bit boring. Both Sonoma and Napa are great. If you like spas then you can incorporate that into your trip too. Plenty to do between the two areas -- Sonoma/Napa with restaurants, a bit of shopping, wineries, and spa visits to enjoy. But if you're not a wine lover/foodie -- then you'd probably prefer Carmel and Big Sur -- because of the beauty and nature.
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As others have indicated, you can visit wineries on the way to the Big Sur area. You can also visit the coast on the way to Sonoma & Napa.
I'll post my "North of San Francisco" write-up again here.
Day 1
North of San Francisco
Head north across the Golden Gate Bridge. Just past the bridge, take the Alexander Av. exit towards Sausalito. When you get to the stop at the end of the freeway off ramp, turn left & go under Hwy 101. Continue on like you are going back across the bridge to SF, but take the road to the right that goes up-hill, just before actually getting on 101. There will be a sign that says you are entering the Golden Gate National Recreational area. Continue up on this road. You will see what is (in my opinion) the best views of San Francisco – The GG Bridge in the foreground & The City behind it.. This area was formerly a military area that is still laced with bunkers, gun turrets, underground tunnels etc. It was opened up in the ‘70s. The views of The City, the Bridge, and the Golden Gate are breathtaking. You can see all the way down the San Mateo Coast from up here. Go all the way to the top and you hit a much smaller one-way road. On the way up, get out & enjoy the sights. The kids will love the bunkers & gun turrets. At the top where the main road ends, there is the largest gun turret, where you can climb up to for an almost 360 degree view. This view is best in the evening when the sun is in a better position to light up the bridge & highlight downtown. If you plan to pass this way again later in the day, skip this venue now & do it later. If there isn’t any fog, perhaps do it now because you never know when the fog will roll in & make viewing impossible.
Return the way you came up to this area. When you get to the junction just past the tunnel under 101, head straight to Sausalito. Just follow your nose (bearing right whenever possible), until you end up on Bridgeway – the main road along the bay in Sausalito. Drive along Bridgeway, enjoying the views back to the City. Sausalito has gotten a little tacky in the last few decades with all it’s mediocre art shops & cheep souvenir stands, but the setting is lovely & there’s some nice architecture. Continue North on Bridgeway until it joins 101 North again (towards San Rafael).
Take the Blithdale exit off 101 to Mill Valley. M.A.S.H. fans will recognize this place as the hometown of B.J. Hunnicut. Keep following Blithdale as it worms around a little in some not-so-picturesque areas before it reaches the center of Mill Valley (you’ll know when you get there). Turn left & park the car where you can. Walk around the area – there are some interesting shops. There’s kind of a central square in town (a good place for a latte if you’re ready for one). The south-west side of the square is Miller Ave. When you’re finished browsing, take Miller Ave. South. Shortly after the double road section of Miller Ave ends, take a right on Shoreline Highway – this is also the famous Ca Highway #1. Follow this to Muir Beach & Stinson Beach. This is a pretty drive. After a couple of miles past the Miller/Shoreline junction, there is a turnoff to Panoramic Hwy and the Muir Woods redwood grove. If you want to visit Muir Woods, do so but remember that it gets overwhelmed with day trippers from SF in the summer.
Continue on Shoreline (Hwy #1) past Muir Beach & on to Stinson Beach. There are some nice views of the ocean along this route. There’s a lookout over Muir Beach.
Stay on Hwy #1 past Stinson Beach. You will start to see a large land mass to your left (ocean side) This is Point Reyes National Seashore, where you could spend several days exploring the wildlife & natural beauty of this area. Drake’s Bay, on the west side of Pt Reyes, is where this Northern California area was first discovered – long before San Francisco Bay was discovered by Spanish explorers. Hwy #1 will go past a long lagoon (Tomales Bay). Just past the lagoon, Hwy #1 will turn inland.
Continue on Hwy 1 past Valley Ford. When it intersects the Bodega Highway, turn right (inland/east) & go to Bodega. This is where Alfred Hitchcock filmed several scenes from “the Birds”, including the schoolhouse scene.
If you are touring in the summer, there is a very good chance that you will be inundated by fog & not much of the coastline will be visible. If you have had enough fog, continue east on the Bodega Highway to Sebastopol. This is actually a nice drive (at the beginning). At Sebastopol, head north on #116 toward the Russian River. Just before Forestville, stop at Kozlowski Farms (on your left) if you want to pick up a sandwich. They have a large selection of jams, jellies, vinegar & other gourmet delights. Continue on #116 until it hits the Russian River at Guerneville (somewhat of an interesting town). Turn right & proceed east along the Russian River on River Road. I will continue to describe the remaining drive in the Wine Country section.
Back at Bodega, if the fog isn’t so bad & you want to see some more coast, stay on Hwy #1 to Bodega Bay. Continue north on #1 until it reaches Jenner. At Jenner, you can go north on #1 to Fort Ross to tour an early Russian fur trading fort – it is quite interesting. After visiting Fort Ross, return to Jenner & head east along the Russian River to Guerneville.
Wine Country
From Guerneville, head east along River Road. Stay on River Road as it crosses over the Russian River just past Hacienda – which will still be River Road. About 4 miles past crossing over the river, turn left on Wohler Road. You will start to see some vineyards now & there are some cute B&Bs close by. Stay on Wohler Rd as it crosses the river (again) on a very narrow 1 way bridge. Just past the bridge, turn right on to Westside Rd towards Healdsburg. You will see lots of vineyards on the way to Healdsburg.
You are now in the Sonoma County Wine growing area. In contrast to it’s more famous neighbor to the east (Napa), you will find the Sonoma wineries more inviting & less hectic – I actually like them better. In the Napa Valley, there are very few wineries where you can take a picnic lunch & spread out on the lawn. In Sonoma, they seem to go out of their way to invite you to use their facilities. On Westside Road, stop at Rochioli (one of the best Chards in Calif), Hop Kiln to see an interesting former kiln turned into a winery, and perhaps Armida, or Mill Creek. Just past Mill Creek winery, Westside Road will turn right (east) to head into Healdsburg just in front of the Madrona Manor. Turn left into the Madrona Manor Hotel, park the car & explore the lovely gardens & the exterior of this fantastic Victorian manor house. Go inside & poke your nose into some of the common rooms & pick up a brochure for your next visit to this area. It has a lovely dining room with excellent cuisine. It’s a popular wedding spot. Exit Madrona Manor and turn left and head north on West Dry Creek Road (not straight to Healdsburg).
You are now in the Dry Creek appellation of Sonoma County & it’s my favorite area in the wine country. Continue north on West Dry Creek Road (there’s a Dry Creek Rd which you will follow later). Stop at Lambert Bridge winery – this is one of the wineries that “invites” you to picnic on their lawn (they have lots of picnic tables). Just past Lambert Bridge winery, turn right on Lambert Bridge Rd & proceed a couple 100 yds to Pezzi King Winery. Stop & explore this winery too (great Zins). Return to West Dry Creek Rd & head north again. Continue on this road until you see a sign for Preston Vineyards. This is another winery that “invites” you to picnic. It has very pretty grounds – explore the outside bread oven, boules court, vegetable garden, flowers, and cats. The tasting room is quite nice – my wife likes their Rose wine. Return to West Dry Creek Road & continue north until the road ends. This is a pretty drive – would you like to own one of the houses near this dead-end? Turn around & head south. Turn left on Yoakim Road & then turn left (north) where it dead ends at Dry Creek Road. Proceed north on Dry Creek Rd & stop at Ferrari-Carano winery. This is the most "extravagant" winery in this area – it received a lot of criticism from locals (we know a few) when it was built. However, it is quite impressive. It has lovely gardens, a large “Tuscan” type villa, and a pretty tasting room (good Sauvignon Blanc). Exit Ferrari Carano & turn right (south) on Dry Creek Road towards Healdsburg. This is another pretty drive.
Healdsburg is our favorite town in the wine country – including anything in Napa. When you go under the freeway (on Dry Creek Rd) turn right when you hit Healdsburg Blvd & continue south until you see the town square – it’s obvious. Park the car & get out & explore. Tour the square & several blocks north & south of the square on Healdsburg Ave. There is a produce market Saturday morning west of the big hotel. This is a wonderful town to spend the night in. There is a new (overdone, in my opinion) large hotel (expensive) on the west side of the square – I think it’s called Healdsburg Hotel or something like that. There is also a B&B on the south side of the square & there are other B&Bs scattered throughout town. For dining in Healdsburg, we like Ravenous, Bistro Ralph, and Charcuterie which are all very popular with the locals. We also like Manzanita. Madrona Manor is less than 5 mins away, by car.
Day 2
If you’re staying near the square in Healdsburg, go to the Downtown Bakery (on the east side of the square) early in the morning & rub elbows with the (lucky) locals. Have a sticky bun &/or a scone. This bakery is very well known throughout the area. There are benches outside the bakery where the “bench bunch” meets each morning to chew the fat.
On to Napa Wine Country
Here is a beautiful drive that will get you to the Napa Valley. Head out north on Healdsburg Ave and once it gets out of town, it will curve to the right and connect with Alexander Valley Rd & passes Jimtown. This route goes through the beautiful Alexander Valley & Knights Valley. Turn right on Hwy #128 towards Calistoga. This section is lovely. Hanna is a nice winery to visit while driving through this area.
Proceed on to Calistoga.
Most tour books describe the Napa Valley thoroughly. As far as driving through this area is concerned, drive down Hwy 128 from Calistoga to Yountville and then east on Yountville Cross Rd to the Silverado trail & go south to Chimney Rock Winery. Turn around go north back to Calistoga on the Silverado Trail. Oakville Cross Rd, Rutherford Cross rd & the others linking #128 with the Silverado Trail are quite pretty.
There are lots of world famous wineries in this areas. I recommend visiting:
Robert Mondavi for the most complete tour on the grape growing & wine making process. Reserve a couple of days ahead at 707 968-2166 www.robertmondavi.com
Berringer for some lovely grounds & a very pretty Victorian “Rhine House”, but they don’t make wine at this site.
Sterling for the best views, but the line for the gondola ride to the tasting room will sometimes have a long wait.
Domaine Chandon to learn how Champagne (sparking wine) is made and for nice grounds & a lovely terrace to buy & taste some champagne & relax.
Neibaum-Coppola for the best gift shop & movie mementos (Francis Ford Coppola owns the winery) and very pretty buildings & grounds.
Silver Oak to taste the best Cabs (if available for tasting).
Clos Pegas for some unusual art & a lawn where you can picnic.
Silverado Vineyards for another good view of the Valley.
There are scads of great restaurants in the area. I find myself going back to:
Terra
Mustards
Martini House
Tra Vigne to wander around & pick up a picnic lunch (not a real fan of the cuisine). The building & grounds are quite nice. If you are not a “foodie”, this probably be the most fun place for a nice dinner in the Napa Valley.
Reserve at least a week ahead for all the above restaurants – perhaps more than 2 weeks ahead on summer weekends. Serious foodies will like Terra & Martini house the best & they are a little more formal. Families with kids will probably prefer Mustards or Tra Vigne.
Day 3
Perhaps catch a final winery on your way out of the Napa Valley. Mondavi opens at 9:00 and the first tour is a lot more calm & relaxed than later ones.
Go south on #29 towards San Francisco. Where #29 hits #121, go west on #121 (follow the signs to SF). Connect with #37 & then #101 back to SF.
Stu Dudley
I'll post my "North of San Francisco" write-up again here.
Day 1
North of San Francisco
Head north across the Golden Gate Bridge. Just past the bridge, take the Alexander Av. exit towards Sausalito. When you get to the stop at the end of the freeway off ramp, turn left & go under Hwy 101. Continue on like you are going back across the bridge to SF, but take the road to the right that goes up-hill, just before actually getting on 101. There will be a sign that says you are entering the Golden Gate National Recreational area. Continue up on this road. You will see what is (in my opinion) the best views of San Francisco – The GG Bridge in the foreground & The City behind it.. This area was formerly a military area that is still laced with bunkers, gun turrets, underground tunnels etc. It was opened up in the ‘70s. The views of The City, the Bridge, and the Golden Gate are breathtaking. You can see all the way down the San Mateo Coast from up here. Go all the way to the top and you hit a much smaller one-way road. On the way up, get out & enjoy the sights. The kids will love the bunkers & gun turrets. At the top where the main road ends, there is the largest gun turret, where you can climb up to for an almost 360 degree view. This view is best in the evening when the sun is in a better position to light up the bridge & highlight downtown. If you plan to pass this way again later in the day, skip this venue now & do it later. If there isn’t any fog, perhaps do it now because you never know when the fog will roll in & make viewing impossible.
Return the way you came up to this area. When you get to the junction just past the tunnel under 101, head straight to Sausalito. Just follow your nose (bearing right whenever possible), until you end up on Bridgeway – the main road along the bay in Sausalito. Drive along Bridgeway, enjoying the views back to the City. Sausalito has gotten a little tacky in the last few decades with all it’s mediocre art shops & cheep souvenir stands, but the setting is lovely & there’s some nice architecture. Continue North on Bridgeway until it joins 101 North again (towards San Rafael).
Take the Blithdale exit off 101 to Mill Valley. M.A.S.H. fans will recognize this place as the hometown of B.J. Hunnicut. Keep following Blithdale as it worms around a little in some not-so-picturesque areas before it reaches the center of Mill Valley (you’ll know when you get there). Turn left & park the car where you can. Walk around the area – there are some interesting shops. There’s kind of a central square in town (a good place for a latte if you’re ready for one). The south-west side of the square is Miller Ave. When you’re finished browsing, take Miller Ave. South. Shortly after the double road section of Miller Ave ends, take a right on Shoreline Highway – this is also the famous Ca Highway #1. Follow this to Muir Beach & Stinson Beach. This is a pretty drive. After a couple of miles past the Miller/Shoreline junction, there is a turnoff to Panoramic Hwy and the Muir Woods redwood grove. If you want to visit Muir Woods, do so but remember that it gets overwhelmed with day trippers from SF in the summer.
Continue on Shoreline (Hwy #1) past Muir Beach & on to Stinson Beach. There are some nice views of the ocean along this route. There’s a lookout over Muir Beach.
Stay on Hwy #1 past Stinson Beach. You will start to see a large land mass to your left (ocean side) This is Point Reyes National Seashore, where you could spend several days exploring the wildlife & natural beauty of this area. Drake’s Bay, on the west side of Pt Reyes, is where this Northern California area was first discovered – long before San Francisco Bay was discovered by Spanish explorers. Hwy #1 will go past a long lagoon (Tomales Bay). Just past the lagoon, Hwy #1 will turn inland.
Continue on Hwy 1 past Valley Ford. When it intersects the Bodega Highway, turn right (inland/east) & go to Bodega. This is where Alfred Hitchcock filmed several scenes from “the Birds”, including the schoolhouse scene.
If you are touring in the summer, there is a very good chance that you will be inundated by fog & not much of the coastline will be visible. If you have had enough fog, continue east on the Bodega Highway to Sebastopol. This is actually a nice drive (at the beginning). At Sebastopol, head north on #116 toward the Russian River. Just before Forestville, stop at Kozlowski Farms (on your left) if you want to pick up a sandwich. They have a large selection of jams, jellies, vinegar & other gourmet delights. Continue on #116 until it hits the Russian River at Guerneville (somewhat of an interesting town). Turn right & proceed east along the Russian River on River Road. I will continue to describe the remaining drive in the Wine Country section.
Back at Bodega, if the fog isn’t so bad & you want to see some more coast, stay on Hwy #1 to Bodega Bay. Continue north on #1 until it reaches Jenner. At Jenner, you can go north on #1 to Fort Ross to tour an early Russian fur trading fort – it is quite interesting. After visiting Fort Ross, return to Jenner & head east along the Russian River to Guerneville.
Wine Country
From Guerneville, head east along River Road. Stay on River Road as it crosses over the Russian River just past Hacienda – which will still be River Road. About 4 miles past crossing over the river, turn left on Wohler Road. You will start to see some vineyards now & there are some cute B&Bs close by. Stay on Wohler Rd as it crosses the river (again) on a very narrow 1 way bridge. Just past the bridge, turn right on to Westside Rd towards Healdsburg. You will see lots of vineyards on the way to Healdsburg.
You are now in the Sonoma County Wine growing area. In contrast to it’s more famous neighbor to the east (Napa), you will find the Sonoma wineries more inviting & less hectic – I actually like them better. In the Napa Valley, there are very few wineries where you can take a picnic lunch & spread out on the lawn. In Sonoma, they seem to go out of their way to invite you to use their facilities. On Westside Road, stop at Rochioli (one of the best Chards in Calif), Hop Kiln to see an interesting former kiln turned into a winery, and perhaps Armida, or Mill Creek. Just past Mill Creek winery, Westside Road will turn right (east) to head into Healdsburg just in front of the Madrona Manor. Turn left into the Madrona Manor Hotel, park the car & explore the lovely gardens & the exterior of this fantastic Victorian manor house. Go inside & poke your nose into some of the common rooms & pick up a brochure for your next visit to this area. It has a lovely dining room with excellent cuisine. It’s a popular wedding spot. Exit Madrona Manor and turn left and head north on West Dry Creek Road (not straight to Healdsburg).
You are now in the Dry Creek appellation of Sonoma County & it’s my favorite area in the wine country. Continue north on West Dry Creek Road (there’s a Dry Creek Rd which you will follow later). Stop at Lambert Bridge winery – this is one of the wineries that “invites” you to picnic on their lawn (they have lots of picnic tables). Just past Lambert Bridge winery, turn right on Lambert Bridge Rd & proceed a couple 100 yds to Pezzi King Winery. Stop & explore this winery too (great Zins). Return to West Dry Creek Rd & head north again. Continue on this road until you see a sign for Preston Vineyards. This is another winery that “invites” you to picnic. It has very pretty grounds – explore the outside bread oven, boules court, vegetable garden, flowers, and cats. The tasting room is quite nice – my wife likes their Rose wine. Return to West Dry Creek Road & continue north until the road ends. This is a pretty drive – would you like to own one of the houses near this dead-end? Turn around & head south. Turn left on Yoakim Road & then turn left (north) where it dead ends at Dry Creek Road. Proceed north on Dry Creek Rd & stop at Ferrari-Carano winery. This is the most "extravagant" winery in this area – it received a lot of criticism from locals (we know a few) when it was built. However, it is quite impressive. It has lovely gardens, a large “Tuscan” type villa, and a pretty tasting room (good Sauvignon Blanc). Exit Ferrari Carano & turn right (south) on Dry Creek Road towards Healdsburg. This is another pretty drive.
Healdsburg is our favorite town in the wine country – including anything in Napa. When you go under the freeway (on Dry Creek Rd) turn right when you hit Healdsburg Blvd & continue south until you see the town square – it’s obvious. Park the car & get out & explore. Tour the square & several blocks north & south of the square on Healdsburg Ave. There is a produce market Saturday morning west of the big hotel. This is a wonderful town to spend the night in. There is a new (overdone, in my opinion) large hotel (expensive) on the west side of the square – I think it’s called Healdsburg Hotel or something like that. There is also a B&B on the south side of the square & there are other B&Bs scattered throughout town. For dining in Healdsburg, we like Ravenous, Bistro Ralph, and Charcuterie which are all very popular with the locals. We also like Manzanita. Madrona Manor is less than 5 mins away, by car.
Day 2
If you’re staying near the square in Healdsburg, go to the Downtown Bakery (on the east side of the square) early in the morning & rub elbows with the (lucky) locals. Have a sticky bun &/or a scone. This bakery is very well known throughout the area. There are benches outside the bakery where the “bench bunch” meets each morning to chew the fat.
On to Napa Wine Country
Here is a beautiful drive that will get you to the Napa Valley. Head out north on Healdsburg Ave and once it gets out of town, it will curve to the right and connect with Alexander Valley Rd & passes Jimtown. This route goes through the beautiful Alexander Valley & Knights Valley. Turn right on Hwy #128 towards Calistoga. This section is lovely. Hanna is a nice winery to visit while driving through this area.
Proceed on to Calistoga.
Most tour books describe the Napa Valley thoroughly. As far as driving through this area is concerned, drive down Hwy 128 from Calistoga to Yountville and then east on Yountville Cross Rd to the Silverado trail & go south to Chimney Rock Winery. Turn around go north back to Calistoga on the Silverado Trail. Oakville Cross Rd, Rutherford Cross rd & the others linking #128 with the Silverado Trail are quite pretty.
There are lots of world famous wineries in this areas. I recommend visiting:
Robert Mondavi for the most complete tour on the grape growing & wine making process. Reserve a couple of days ahead at 707 968-2166 www.robertmondavi.com
Berringer for some lovely grounds & a very pretty Victorian “Rhine House”, but they don’t make wine at this site.
Sterling for the best views, but the line for the gondola ride to the tasting room will sometimes have a long wait.
Domaine Chandon to learn how Champagne (sparking wine) is made and for nice grounds & a lovely terrace to buy & taste some champagne & relax.
Neibaum-Coppola for the best gift shop & movie mementos (Francis Ford Coppola owns the winery) and very pretty buildings & grounds.
Silver Oak to taste the best Cabs (if available for tasting).
Clos Pegas for some unusual art & a lawn where you can picnic.
Silverado Vineyards for another good view of the Valley.
There are scads of great restaurants in the area. I find myself going back to:
Terra
Mustards
Martini House
Tra Vigne to wander around & pick up a picnic lunch (not a real fan of the cuisine). The building & grounds are quite nice. If you are not a “foodie”, this probably be the most fun place for a nice dinner in the Napa Valley.
Reserve at least a week ahead for all the above restaurants – perhaps more than 2 weeks ahead on summer weekends. Serious foodies will like Terra & Martini house the best & they are a little more formal. Families with kids will probably prefer Mustards or Tra Vigne.
Day 3
Perhaps catch a final winery on your way out of the Napa Valley. Mondavi opens at 9:00 and the first tour is a lot more calm & relaxed than later ones.
Go south on #29 towards San Francisco. Where #29 hits #121, go west on #121 (follow the signs to SF). Connect with #37 & then #101 back to SF.
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I am facing the same dilemna whether to do Sonoma/Napa or Carmel/big Sur after spending a few nites in SF. I decided to do 2 nites in SF, 2 nites in Sonoma and 2 nites in southern Carmel. I will end in Santa Cruz for 2 nites where I will visit friends. I know I may be spreading myself too thin but I didn;t want to leave out the wine country or Carmel. I am staying at the Lodge of Sonoma while I'm in the wine region and then the Tickle Pink Inn in Carmel. The Post Ranch Inn looked great but too pricey.
Stu, I used your Provence itinerary last year when I was in France and found it great. We followed many of your suggestions. I'm sure this one will be wonderful too.
Stu, I used your Provence itinerary last year when I was in France and found it great. We followed many of your suggestions. I'm sure this one will be wonderful too.
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Stu,
I'm staying at the Lodge at Sonoma because I am using Marriott points so the 2 nites there are free. I am not locked in so I can explore alternatives. I thought 2 nites in SF would be enough and wanted to spend a few days in the wine region. I will check out the hotel you suggested in Healdsburg but the deal at the Lodge at Sonoma may be hard to walk away from. Would you say that location is a negative one, or just not as great as Healdsburg?
I'm staying at the Lodge at Sonoma because I am using Marriott points so the 2 nites there are free. I am not locked in so I can explore alternatives. I thought 2 nites in SF would be enough and wanted to spend a few days in the wine region. I will check out the hotel you suggested in Healdsburg but the deal at the Lodge at Sonoma may be hard to walk away from. Would you say that location is a negative one, or just not as great as Healdsburg?
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>>Would you say that location is a negative one, or just not as great as Healdsburg?<<
It's fine, just not as great as Healdsburg. Acttually, Im not sure where the Lodge at Sonoma is (we stay with close friends who live there). Sonoma has some not-so-neat areas with strip malls, ugly commerce, car washes, etc. If it's close to the square, the location is fine. I wouldn't get too far from the square, however.
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It's fine, just not as great as Healdsburg. Acttually, Im not sure where the Lodge at Sonoma is (we stay with close friends who live there). Sonoma has some not-so-neat areas with strip malls, ugly commerce, car washes, etc. If it's close to the square, the location is fine. I wouldn't get too far from the square, however.
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Stu, I agree that Lambert Bridge Winery has some great wines. They even have a great shop selling dips and spreads. Their Sav Blanc garlic mayo is one of my favorites -- I get 6 jars at a time sent out to me.
Pezzi King has moved their tasting room to downtown Healdsburg, and there's also a LaCrema tasting room in Healdsburg with great Pinots and Syrahs.
Pezzi King has moved their tasting room to downtown Healdsburg, and there's also a LaCrema tasting room in Healdsburg with great Pinots and Syrahs.
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One thing to keep in mind when attempting day trips to either Napa County or Sonoma County for wine tasting is the commute traffic which can be horrific especially as you drive through Santa Rosa north to Healdsburg. (Also, not too smart to spend an afternoon tasting and then get on the freeway.) The best way to enjoy yourself if you have limited time is to do an overnight. It would be a shame to visit this region and not have dinner in one of our fine restaurants. I also would opt for Sonoma County--a more genuine experience than Napa.
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I personally like the Big Sur area better. I would spend a couple of days there and the other four days in San Francisco. I would make sure that I do and see all the things that I want to there, and decide whether I had the time to take a day and maybe do one of the wine tour day trips offered there. Last time we were in San Francisco, we did the Grayline Napa Valley Wine Train Tour and really enjoyed it. Included winetasting on the way to Napa, a gourmet lunch which was very good on the train (winetasting train car also), and then a stop at a winery in Sonoma Valley, bfore riding us across the Golden Gate Bridge and back to our hotel. It made for a really enjoyable day. There are also daytrip bus tours throgh the wine country, though I haven;t tried one of them.
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