Salt Lake City/Park City Olympic Bar Scene???
Feb 14th, 2002, 07:43 PM
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A club membership to have a gin and tonic?! Come on!
I have been to Salt Lake City and I don't discount some of these stories. I have also been with what I guess you would call foxhole Mormons that tow the line among their crowd, but when out and about with the heathen set all bets are off. They call them "jack mormons" there. There are a bunch out in Tooele, maybe where Dayle comes from.
Anyway, not a cult? What would you call it when its founder dug up a set of gold plates containing the script that became the basis of the book of Mormon?? And the mystical creature that told him where to dig was a salamander, no less. In the past ten years, original letters from the founder were quietly purchased (ransomed) from an individual and supressed by the church. The letters, in his own handwriting, talked about the salamander that appeared and how it gave instructions for where to dig.
sure would like to get in touch with that lizard. Would beat playing Lotto.
I have been to Salt Lake City and I don't discount some of these stories. I have also been with what I guess you would call foxhole Mormons that tow the line among their crowd, but when out and about with the heathen set all bets are off. They call them "jack mormons" there. There are a bunch out in Tooele, maybe where Dayle comes from.
Anyway, not a cult? What would you call it when its founder dug up a set of gold plates containing the script that became the basis of the book of Mormon?? And the mystical creature that told him where to dig was a salamander, no less. In the past ten years, original letters from the founder were quietly purchased (ransomed) from an individual and supressed by the church. The letters, in his own handwriting, talked about the salamander that appeared and how it gave instructions for where to dig.
sure would like to get in touch with that lizard. Would beat playing Lotto.
Feb 15th, 2002, 04:47 AM
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Well put Mr Smith. The Mormon church is, plain and simple, nothing but a large cult. The way it was founded and the way it brain washes it members is no different than what Rev. Moon and the Moonies do. I find it astonishing that any person with a drop of common sense could be part of it.
Feb 15th, 2002, 04:51 AM
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Diane
You are full of poopoo. You belong to the largest and richest cult in the world, and no matter how you sugar coat it, it is a flawed religion and has no basis in theology. A salamandar showed him the golden plates?????? Get a life lady and think about that a minute...
You are full of poopoo. You belong to the largest and richest cult in the world, and no matter how you sugar coat it, it is a flawed religion and has no basis in theology. A salamandar showed him the golden plates?????? Get a life lady and think about that a minute...
Feb 15th, 2002, 05:01 AM
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and Moses parted the Red Sea and a snake, disguised as a devil tempted Eve to eat an apple, and Mary somehow became pregnant without having sex.
the point is different religions sound somewhat ridiculous to different people. to denigrate one religion because you think its beliefs don't make sense, shows your lack of respect for other people.
the point is different religions sound somewhat ridiculous to different people. to denigrate one religion because you think its beliefs don't make sense, shows your lack of respect for other people.
Feb 15th, 2002, 07:27 AM
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The difference is that biblical scholars acknowledge the broad use of allegory and metaphor in the bible. Most educated people don't treat the bible as a literal, eyewitness account. More like fables with some moral message. There are no handwritten, authenticated letters in any archive from Jesus Christ. However, the roots of the Mormon church are of better historical record, with documents written by its founder that speak of magical salamanders, spading the earth for gold plates and visions. To argue otherwise is a wist for revisionism, while the same principle cannot be applied to the often fantastic (and dubious) accounts in the bible authored by a myriad of persons (with an array of agendas) over an eon of time.
Anyway, this is a travel forum. Time for some more posts about where to find the best cheesecake in the US.
The difference is that biblical scholars acknowledge the broad use of allegory and metaphor in the bible. Most educated people don't treat the bible as a literal, eyewitness account. More like fables with some moral message. There are no handwritten, authenticated letters in any archive from Jesus Christ. However, the roots of the Mormon church are of better historical record, with documents written by its founder that speak of magical salamanders, spading the earth for gold plates and visions. To argue otherwise is a wist for revisionism, while the same principle cannot be applied to the often fantastic (and dubious) accounts in the bible authored by a myriad of persons (with an array of agendas) over an eon of time.
Anyway, this is a travel forum. Time for some more posts about where to find the best cheesecake in the US.
Feb 15th, 2002, 10:17 AM
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wow. i bet it'll come as a surprise to millions of christians that the stories in the Bible are "fables" with moral messages. but i guess those would be the "uneducated" christians.
you miss the whole point - it is not up to you to decide for others what is believable, not believable, dubious, etc. My point is - the fact that we may not agree with the tenets of a particular faith or we may personally find certain beliefs "fantastic" or "dubious," should not be the basis for an attack on that faith or its followers.
I do, however, agree that since this is a travel forum, we should get back to travel topics. So, I promise not to post to this thread again.
you miss the whole point - it is not up to you to decide for others what is believable, not believable, dubious, etc. My point is - the fact that we may not agree with the tenets of a particular faith or we may personally find certain beliefs "fantastic" or "dubious," should not be the basis for an attack on that faith or its followers.
I do, however, agree that since this is a travel forum, we should get back to travel topics. So, I promise not to post to this thread again.
Feb 15th, 2002, 12:40 PM
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I was trying to ignore the unkind comments and not post again, but when someone says I am "full of poopoo," how can I resist the challenge? Maggie, I was trying to be funny--and also show that all Mormons are not so uptight and humorless as all the anecdotes implied. Regarding working on Sunday, we try to follow the Commandment that says to keep the Sabbath holy, but if you are injured on a Sunday while at the Olympic Games, you will find the hospitals full of Mormon doctors and nurses. Others that routinely work on Sundays are police, restaurant employees, real estate agents, etc. Some members of the church might take the commandment seriously enough to avoid occupations where they would have to work on the Sabbath, but no one condemns those who do.
This salamander business is something I heard vague rumors about years ago--it's certainly not part of our beliefs. Jedediah, could you be a disaffected descendant of our founder who invented that story to discredit the church?
Seriously, Mormons are fun-loving people who try to live Christ-like lives and help other people. Every year we collect and send TONS of clothing, blankets, medicine, etc., to victims of floods, tornadoes and earthquakes all over the world. I am full of love and forgiveness, not poopoo!
This salamander business is something I heard vague rumors about years ago--it's certainly not part of our beliefs. Jedediah, could you be a disaffected descendant of our founder who invented that story to discredit the church?
Seriously, Mormons are fun-loving people who try to live Christ-like lives and help other people. Every year we collect and send TONS of clothing, blankets, medicine, etc., to victims of floods, tornadoes and earthquakes all over the world. I am full of love and forgiveness, not poopoo!
Feb 15th, 2002, 12:46 PM
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To get back to the original question. There are many bars within walking distance in downtown SLC. Baci, Lazy Moon, Dead Goat, Oyster Bar, New Yorker, Red Rock, Port O Call, Murphy's, ... Just got back from the Swiss house for lunch. Watched the Swiss television production of a snowboarding downhill ?? event with them, had some fondue and wine. They handed out boxes of Lindt chocolate. It's $20.00 cover charge for dinner but you get $20.00 in drinks free. Walking up Main street I was approached by several people handing out information but nothing about the LDS church.
Feb 15th, 2002, 01:01 PM
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diane
I didn't invent the story. It is documented fact. If you check into it, unafraid of the truth and don't receive a church sanctioned sanitized version, you will see. The fact that you heard "vague rumors" about it is not surprising. Great pains (at great expense)were taken by the LDS leadership to supress it.
Anyway, I know there are many, good, caring people that are Mormons and I manage quite easily to separate the obvious flaws in the theology from my belief in the redeeming qualities of people.
I also think Salt Lake has done a fabulous job with the Winter Games so far in all respects.
I didn't invent the story. It is documented fact. If you check into it, unafraid of the truth and don't receive a church sanctioned sanitized version, you will see. The fact that you heard "vague rumors" about it is not surprising. Great pains (at great expense)were taken by the LDS leadership to supress it.
Anyway, I know there are many, good, caring people that are Mormons and I manage quite easily to separate the obvious flaws in the theology from my belief in the redeeming qualities of people.
I also think Salt Lake has done a fabulous job with the Winter Games so far in all respects.
Feb 21st, 2002, 10:05 AM
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Ok, I'm not a big fan of mormons...however, I will say that the guy who threw up all over the dinner table was an idiot. I was out at the olympics, staying with my parents at their ski house. We had a dinner guest (Mormon) who was informed that dessert consisted of rum cake. He was happy to eat it since all the alcohol dissipates during the cooking. He was one of the most serious and devout Mormons I know; he has faithfully served his church on a mission...yet he still ate rum cake. Maybe he should be shot!
My point? To show that not all Mormons deserve to be grouped in the non-fun-loving category. You can find a beer and a good time in downtown Salt Lake if you open your eyes and look (although I prefer Park City).
My point? To show that not all Mormons deserve to be grouped in the non-fun-loving category. You can find a beer and a good time in downtown Salt Lake if you open your eyes and look (although I prefer Park City).
