Rebuilding The World Trade Center
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And who will work in these towers if we rebuild?
Already, I have seen on the news several survivors saying never again.
Twice was enough for them.
I think many people will be feeling the same way, I certainly would.
I think if they rebuild, they will not go any higher than the other buildings near by. However, I really, really, doubt that any of the people that made it out safely will go back in again to another high rise.
Finding others that will may be difficult.
Most people know that fire fighters cannot reach beyond the 7th floor, anything higher goes on foot, out a window, or to the roof hoping to be airlifted off.
Already, I have seen on the news several survivors saying never again.
Twice was enough for them.
I think many people will be feeling the same way, I certainly would.
I think if they rebuild, they will not go any higher than the other buildings near by. However, I really, really, doubt that any of the people that made it out safely will go back in again to another high rise.
Finding others that will may be difficult.
Most people know that fire fighters cannot reach beyond the 7th floor, anything higher goes on foot, out a window, or to the roof hoping to be airlifted off.
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Where will you go? The planes were highjacked out of Boston. Oklahoma City was 15 to 20 stories. Probably 90% of the major office buildings in NYC and other cities are over 7 stories tall. Let's say they don't build any higher than the surrounding buildings. Won't they just have a "forest" for a target? How does that help? BTW, after the last WTC bombing, for 10 years they aimed at easier less secure nonNYC targets. That means other cities/areas may be at risk.
We're headed toward a recession and war. Small farmers were already having problems before this. What makes you think you'll have a job in a safe small town if there's a massive recession? I don't know about you but I need my paycheck to live and I have no intention of parking myself in the middle of a cornfield/forest and hunting squirrels for food. Let's start thinking instead of focusing on our fears.
Where will you go? The planes were highjacked out of Boston. Oklahoma City was 15 to 20 stories. Probably 90% of the major office buildings in NYC and other cities are over 7 stories tall. Let's say they don't build any higher than the surrounding buildings. Won't they just have a "forest" for a target? How does that help? BTW, after the last WTC bombing, for 10 years they aimed at easier less secure nonNYC targets. That means other cities/areas may be at risk.
We're headed toward a recession and war. Small farmers were already having problems before this. What makes you think you'll have a job in a safe small town if there's a massive recession? I don't know about you but I need my paycheck to live and I have no intention of parking myself in the middle of a cornfield/forest and hunting squirrels for food. Let's start thinking instead of focusing on our fears.
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Charlie: Looks like to me you just want to find someone to mess with.
You having a bad day and just want to grip? Or naturally this way?
I am saying I have heard on the news more than one person that worked at the WTC during this attack and the other, that they would never again return to a building of this size.
I believe as well, that if we rebuild to this same size of 110 stories each again, it just gives any future terrorist and great place to target and hit more people in one place than any other.
If all the buildings are generally the same size then we won't feel any more of a target than the next guy.
Don't forget why they chose these targets.
Don't forget the higher you go the less chance you have of getting out in time should this happen again.
You Charlie should really go take a look at the site with the people missing and see which floors had the most people missing.
You might notice that people from all floors are missing but pratically everyone from the higher ones are missing.
You want your money and need it that bad, then you are welcome to be the first to volunteer to go to work there should they rebuild, to the same size.
You having a bad day and just want to grip? Or naturally this way?
I am saying I have heard on the news more than one person that worked at the WTC during this attack and the other, that they would never again return to a building of this size.
I believe as well, that if we rebuild to this same size of 110 stories each again, it just gives any future terrorist and great place to target and hit more people in one place than any other.
If all the buildings are generally the same size then we won't feel any more of a target than the next guy.
Don't forget why they chose these targets.
Don't forget the higher you go the less chance you have of getting out in time should this happen again.
You Charlie should really go take a look at the site with the people missing and see which floors had the most people missing.
You might notice that people from all floors are missing but pratically everyone from the higher ones are missing.
You want your money and need it that bad, then you are welcome to be the first to volunteer to go to work there should they rebuild, to the same size.
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To not me:
I'm not messing with anyone; the whole point I was trying to make is that (1) it is unfeasible to keep buildings short in a place like NYC where space is at a premium and where if one building falls the domino effect very well happen, tall building or not, (2) most major cities including NYC still have plenty of big targets (sports?); it's the security that's the problem, not the structures; another one won't make a difference; (3) a recession and a war is on its way (see emergency rate cuts by Fed today); jobs will be in short supply; yes, people are nervous but would people trade off being unemployed long-term for a job in a tall building? I don't know, but I wouldn't.
BTW, I don't need to go to the site to see the damage, I was there through it. I also will be going back to work at a very high floor and helping rebuild today.
I'm not messing with anyone; the whole point I was trying to make is that (1) it is unfeasible to keep buildings short in a place like NYC where space is at a premium and where if one building falls the domino effect very well happen, tall building or not, (2) most major cities including NYC still have plenty of big targets (sports?); it's the security that's the problem, not the structures; another one won't make a difference; (3) a recession and a war is on its way (see emergency rate cuts by Fed today); jobs will be in short supply; yes, people are nervous but would people trade off being unemployed long-term for a job in a tall building? I don't know, but I wouldn't.
BTW, I don't need to go to the site to see the damage, I was there through it. I also will be going back to work at a very high floor and helping rebuild today.
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Charlie:I see what your are saying why don't you see what I am saying?
If you build two more 110 floor buildings, how much do you want to bet, those would be any terrorists' favorite target once again.
Once more I am saying, that there are many people that will think the same way, and not be willing to work in them.
Also, I wasn't saying to go look at the damage done, we have all seen that, I was saying go look at the people listed as missing. One site, CNN, has some and it lists from what floor they were working and last seen.
It is pretty scary.
There is a great site I recently found and hope many will take a look at.
It is a picture of an idea of how to rebuild the site.
I love it and it doesn't look like office space is wasted, since that is what everyone else is worried about.
http://members-http-5.rwc1.sfba.home...iffsparky/WTC/
If you build two more 110 floor buildings, how much do you want to bet, those would be any terrorists' favorite target once again.
Once more I am saying, that there are many people that will think the same way, and not be willing to work in them.
Also, I wasn't saying to go look at the damage done, we have all seen that, I was saying go look at the people listed as missing. One site, CNN, has some and it lists from what floor they were working and last seen.
It is pretty scary.
There is a great site I recently found and hope many will take a look at.
It is a picture of an idea of how to rebuild the site.
I love it and it doesn't look like office space is wasted, since that is what everyone else is worried about.
http://members-http-5.rwc1.sfba.home...iffsparky/WTC/
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Get Frank Gehry to design the new WTC. The design will be so convoluted future terrorists wouldn't know north from south facade. Use mirrors to further confuse images so that the building will look like David Copperfield's prop.Finally wrap a giant slide around the bldg so that there is easy escape when you need to evacuate. No need to walk down 100 storeys in dark narrow stairwells anymore.
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I live in Manhattan. I understand how much we need the real estate replaced. I cannot imagine anyone being willing to work in a super-tall tower again. As of today, anyhow, the idea of an employer requiring/expecting this of someone makes me kind of ill.
This may change but it's how I feel today. Where I live I am surrounded by pictures of lost people, 99% of them much much younger than I am. I just feel protective toward everyone.
I would rather see some other design. I don't at the moment agree with people who feel we should rebuild to -- oh, you know, prove something, assert something, etc. I just don't.
I do value the concentration the towers provided, of people and energy. I hope there is another way to achieve it.
This may change but it's how I feel today. Where I live I am surrounded by pictures of lost people, 99% of them much much younger than I am. I just feel protective toward everyone.
I would rather see some other design. I don't at the moment agree with people who feel we should rebuild to -- oh, you know, prove something, assert something, etc. I just don't.
I do value the concentration the towers provided, of people and energy. I hope there is another way to achieve it.
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Although it will probably take the better part of this decade to complete the re-building of the site, and I might feel differently at that time, I vote for four 60 story towers. Much more managable, same amount of office space, lots of room to easily fit 4 towers and unlikely to be as obvious a target. Needless to say a memorial will be included in any development of the site.
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I probably shouldn't post to this thread at all, but I've been doing far too much reading on this whole disaster and one thing I have read is that very tall buildings aren't very efficient (as in they can't get as much in rent as it costs to run them). The era of building as tall as you can just because you can is over (been there, done that). The new leasee of the WTC has said that he is considering four 50 story towers in replacement. Of course it's way too soon to know anything for sure.
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Although I've heard that there already is some serious thinking about 4 towers of around 50 stories, my vote would be to rebuild the towers so that they are outwardly identical to the originals. That way our enemies would not have the satisfaction of having permanently changed the NY skyline.
My thinking is that if we cannot wipe out terrioristic threats before the towers are rebuilt, they will get us in countless other ways, anyway.
My thinking is that if we cannot wipe out terrioristic threats before the towers are rebuilt, they will get us in countless other ways, anyway.


