Phoenix Airport Gas Ripoff
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What would be the point of stopping at a station near the airport on your way to the airport, and then putting some gas in but not filling it full as per the rental agreement? I'm confused. I guess you could then drive to a different station to top it off, but that would be a bit silly. Or you could try to calculate exactly how much the tank holds and put in slightly less (so it looks full but isn't) but that would be goofy. What other explanation is there?
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Gas station price gouging...
Just an FYI... the gas station across the street from Hotel ZaZa in Uptown Dallas does not post the gas prices on a sign like other gas stations.
Why?
Because the gas is about 75 cents MORE per gallon than every other station in Dallas. Usually people find out once it's too late.
This is a major gas company... like Shell or something.
Just an FYI... the gas station across the street from Hotel ZaZa in Uptown Dallas does not post the gas prices on a sign like other gas stations.
Why?
Because the gas is about 75 cents MORE per gallon than every other station in Dallas. Usually people find out once it's too late.
This is a major gas company... like Shell or something.
#26
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I was just in Phoenix last week. I rented from Enterprise at the Hyatt after I was at the hotel, and I returned to airport enterprise. I dropped a friend off at the airport day before I left, and I agree finding the rental car return going by the terminal is very comfusing. The guys downtown were extremely helpful, and advised me to use the regular streets and avoid the interstate getting back to the airport. The street (Buckeye) took me DIRECTLY to the rental car return and was really easy. Plus they told me where to find the cheapest gas stations on the way. Love those Enterprise guys!
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<<Dollar told us specifically that gas must be purchased within 10 miles of the airport, fyi.>>
My guess is that they won't hassle you about it if the gauge reads F. What are they going to do, charge you for a gallon of gas, because you filled up 11.1 miles from the rental car return? As I said, look at the gauge when you pick up the car. If it's not way above F you don't need to fill it any fuller than that, because they obviously didn't fill it after the last person returned it.
My guess is that they won't hassle you about it if the gauge reads F. What are they going to do, charge you for a gallon of gas, because you filled up 11.1 miles from the rental car return? As I said, look at the gauge when you pick up the car. If it's not way above F you don't need to fill it any fuller than that, because they obviously didn't fill it after the last person returned it.
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I may not have explained my technique very well above. I put the gas in the night before (or earlier in the day if it's a night flight) so as to
1) get gas at a cheaper price away from the airport.
2)so I won't need to get gas at the last minute, and
3) I never have, but if I do drive so fat that the gauge no longer shows as full, I'll only need a little gas from an airport station. Worst case: if I can't find an airport station and the rental agency hits me for a top off of the tank, the car won't need much of their gas.
1) get gas at a cheaper price away from the airport.
2)so I won't need to get gas at the last minute, and
3) I never have, but if I do drive so fat that the gauge no longer shows as full, I'll only need a little gas from an airport station. Worst case: if I can't find an airport station and the rental agency hits me for a top off of the tank, the car won't need much of their gas.
#30
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Just to see what happens, I sent an email to the car rental and explained.
I guess they have several options:
1) Ignore me - they probably won't do that
2) Explain their return policy - quite likely
3) Give me a refund - highly unlikely
4) Give me a partial credit on a future rental - possibly the best from a PR perspective and cost to them
5) Other
I'll respond here.
I guess they have several options:
1) Ignore me - they probably won't do that
2) Explain their return policy - quite likely
3) Give me a refund - highly unlikely
4) Give me a partial credit on a future rental - possibly the best from a PR perspective and cost to them
5) Other
I'll respond here.
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I'm guessing you will get some response with a weak apology but nothing else.
The truth is, the basis for your complaint is your assumption that you should be able to find a gas station on your way back to the airport easily, based on travel in other cities. The rental car companies, of course, have no idea which direction you will be returning to the airport and don't control where the gas stations are on whichever route you've chosen. Nor do they control where the rental car return is - in Phoenix, they are all in one place. If you should be complaining to anyone, complain to the city of Phoenix which planned the airport layout with no nearby gas stations.
But honestly, you should never have this assumption that gas will be easy to find when returning a car. I've found it is in some cities and not in others. It's just something you have to deal with. You knew the policy and you made a mistake by apparently not having a map and getting lost trying to find gas. That's not the rental car company's fault, either.
The truth is, the basis for your complaint is your assumption that you should be able to find a gas station on your way back to the airport easily, based on travel in other cities. The rental car companies, of course, have no idea which direction you will be returning to the airport and don't control where the gas stations are on whichever route you've chosen. Nor do they control where the rental car return is - in Phoenix, they are all in one place. If you should be complaining to anyone, complain to the city of Phoenix which planned the airport layout with no nearby gas stations.
But honestly, you should never have this assumption that gas will be easy to find when returning a car. I've found it is in some cities and not in others. It's just something you have to deal with. You knew the policy and you made a mistake by apparently not having a map and getting lost trying to find gas. That's not the rental car company's fault, either.
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Andrew,
Actually, this thread has moved from a complaint about gas refills to the drop-off charge on a car that started in the destination in the first place.
I agree, nothing will be done. You're vore is for 2) then.
Actually, this thread has moved from a complaint about gas refills to the drop-off charge on a car that started in the destination in the first place.
I agree, nothing will be done. You're vore is for 2) then.
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"My intention was to fill up the car rental after exiting the expressway and before entering the airport"
I guess I don't quite get the 'ripoff' complaint. You are the one who did not adequately prepare by finding out ahead of time where there was a gas station.
A 30 second search on google maps for 'gas near phx' shows quite a few gas stations. Taking a random guess that there would be one right at your car door when you needed it was your mistake, not the rental car co.
I guess this is just another example of modern day society. "I didn't prepare so therefore I'll flame that they ripped me off"
I guess I don't quite get the 'ripoff' complaint. You are the one who did not adequately prepare by finding out ahead of time where there was a gas station.
A 30 second search on google maps for 'gas near phx' shows quite a few gas stations. Taking a random guess that there would be one right at your car door when you needed it was your mistake, not the rental car co.
I guess this is just another example of modern day society. "I didn't prepare so therefore I'll flame that they ripped me off"
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Well, Myer, I still don't see the basis for your complaint. Rental car companies presumably don't care where their cars are licensed. Many of the cars I've rented have had out of state plates. Presumably, over the life of a rental car, it travels all over the country.
Your assumption is that the car needed to go back to Arizona, yet it's quite possible it might have been going to another state again on the next rental. Why do you assume you are somehow doing them a favor by bringing the car back to where the car was licensed?
Your assumption is that the car needed to go back to Arizona, yet it's quite possible it might have been going to another state again on the next rental. Why do you assume you are somehow doing them a favor by bringing the car back to where the car was licensed?
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As far as the gas is concerned, my annoyance was that there wasn't a gas station easily reached between the expressway and the airport.
I agree it's more my fault than anyboy elses. But it's still annoying.
As to the drop-off fee. If they didn't have a preference to getting the cars with the local plates back, then you're agreeing that a drop-off fee is a scam to charge extra.
If they don't care, they wouldn't get away with it as all you need is one rental to lower the price and the other have to as well.
I understood the policy when I booked the car. It bothered me but not enough to change my plans.
However, after waiting about 30 minutes for a car and then being sent to the other side of the lot when the dispatcher noticed I'm going to Arizona so that I could deliver a car for them back to Arizona, got me thinking.
It was obvious it was to their advantage to get that car back to Arizona. It was on the far side of the lot waiting for a one-way trip.
I just think that two people getting charge a drop-off fee on the same car is a bit much. More so when I returning it for them.
Again, I went in understanding the rules. Can I be blamed for trying? We all want to save a bit for the next trip.
I agree it's more my fault than anyboy elses. But it's still annoying.
As to the drop-off fee. If they didn't have a preference to getting the cars with the local plates back, then you're agreeing that a drop-off fee is a scam to charge extra.
If they don't care, they wouldn't get away with it as all you need is one rental to lower the price and the other have to as well.
I understood the policy when I booked the car. It bothered me but not enough to change my plans.
However, after waiting about 30 minutes for a car and then being sent to the other side of the lot when the dispatcher noticed I'm going to Arizona so that I could deliver a car for them back to Arizona, got me thinking.
It was obvious it was to their advantage to get that car back to Arizona. It was on the far side of the lot waiting for a one-way trip.
I just think that two people getting charge a drop-off fee on the same car is a bit much. More so when I returning it for them.
Again, I went in understanding the rules. Can I be blamed for trying? We all want to save a bit for the next trip.
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<<As to the drop-off fee. If they didn't have a preference to getting the cars with the local plates back, then you're agreeing that a drop-off fee is a scam to charge extra.>>
No, they don't care about the plates, but they DO care where the cars are. They have to plan for how many cars are at which facilities. I'm guessing, for example, that in the summer they don't keep as many cars in Phoenix as in the winter, when demand for them is much higher. Why have them sitting there off-season when the could be renting them in San Diego?
Anyway, you can't predict where the car company needs their cars, and you can't know that after you returned the Arizona car to Phoenix that it wasn't going off to some other third state immediately.
Is the drop-off fee a scam? Sure - lots of things about travel are. I guess you can try for some sort of refund. You could claim that you didn't like the peanuts you got on the plane and ask the airline for a credit on your next flight too, I suppose.
No, they don't care about the plates, but they DO care where the cars are. They have to plan for how many cars are at which facilities. I'm guessing, for example, that in the summer they don't keep as many cars in Phoenix as in the winter, when demand for them is much higher. Why have them sitting there off-season when the could be renting them in San Diego?
Anyway, you can't predict where the car company needs their cars, and you can't know that after you returned the Arizona car to Phoenix that it wasn't going off to some other third state immediately.
Is the drop-off fee a scam? Sure - lots of things about travel are. I guess you can try for some sort of refund. You could claim that you didn't like the peanuts you got on the plane and ask the airline for a credit on your next flight too, I suppose.
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Myer,
a drop off fee is not a "scam to charge extra."
A drop off fee is an extra charge, period and if you don't like that and didn't agree to it all by signing your name at the time of rental then you should have gone elsewhere.
How DO they "get away" with this? Simple..it is called supply and demand..you want a car and they have one.
And yes, I bet that car with the Arizona plates WAS going back to PHX and yes, they charged you to drive it there for them.
That sems to be the way it works with car rentals everywhere and yes, I agree, it can be anger-provoking...to everyone except the stockholders.
a drop off fee is not a "scam to charge extra."
A drop off fee is an extra charge, period and if you don't like that and didn't agree to it all by signing your name at the time of rental then you should have gone elsewhere.
How DO they "get away" with this? Simple..it is called supply and demand..you want a car and they have one.
And yes, I bet that car with the Arizona plates WAS going back to PHX and yes, they charged you to drive it there for them.
That sems to be the way it works with car rentals everywhere and yes, I agree, it can be anger-provoking...to everyone except the stockholders.
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Before I return a rental car I always check
www.GasPriceBuddy.Com
or
www.GasPriceWatch.Com
to find out where I can find inexpensive gas near the airport. These sites not only tell where stations are, but also their price and hours, and whether they take credit cards.
www.GasPriceBuddy.Com
or
www.GasPriceWatch.Com
to find out where I can find inexpensive gas near the airport. These sites not only tell where stations are, but also their price and hours, and whether they take credit cards.
#39
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Andrew,
And talking about peanuts on the plane.
What would you do if the person next to you was so large that they spilled over onto your side of the arm rest.
That once happened to me on both legs of a trip. Going I accepted the uncomfortable situation but returning I went to the back of the plane and told the flight attendant.
She called her supervisor who said they would move me if there were any spare seats. I moved.
Upon returning, I wrote to the airline about the trip going and they sent me a credit towards a future flight.
It was an airline I don't use very often so it took a while to use the credit but.... a bit more towards the next trip.
In the end they get it all anyway.
And talking about peanuts on the plane.
What would you do if the person next to you was so large that they spilled over onto your side of the arm rest.
That once happened to me on both legs of a trip. Going I accepted the uncomfortable situation but returning I went to the back of the plane and told the flight attendant.
She called her supervisor who said they would move me if there were any spare seats. I moved.
Upon returning, I wrote to the airline about the trip going and they sent me a credit towards a future flight.
It was an airline I don't use very often so it took a while to use the credit but.... a bit more towards the next trip.
In the end they get it all anyway.




