NYC becoming a battleground for Air BnB apartment rentals
Oct 23rd, 2014, 05:14 AM
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When the city is doing everything possible to increase the amount of affordable housing in the city they are certainly not going to legalize a company that is taking more than 2,000 units out of the limited pool.
Yes, they should prosecute the landlords - but this is more difficult to track and each one may be doing it with 8 to 10 apartments or so. Much easier to prosecute/eliminate a single source for all of the apartments - and whatever ones may be on their books that have not been tracked yet.
Yes, they should prosecute the landlords - but this is more difficult to track and each one may be doing it with 8 to 10 apartments or so. Much easier to prosecute/eliminate a single source for all of the apartments - and whatever ones may be on their books that have not been tracked yet.
Oct 23rd, 2014, 05:28 AM
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But those 2,000 units are taken out of the pool illegally--even AirBnB acknowledges that. I do see that simply knocking AirBnB out of the game is a one-stop solution, but--and I realize I'm repeating myself here--I disagree that it's the easier move. Add in the fact that people who legally rent out a room in their home on AirBnB would be hurt by its elimination, and, well, I remain convinced that the city's issue is with greedy landlords.
Of course, I also think AirBnB would be well served by cooperating with any effort to prosecute those greedy landlords. Surely those tech geniuses could get their software to flag suspicious patterns of listings, and share those with housing authorities? I wonder if that's part of the negotiated deal in San Francisco.
Of course, I also think AirBnB would be well served by cooperating with any effort to prosecute those greedy landlords. Surely those tech geniuses could get their software to flag suspicious patterns of listings, and share those with housing authorities? I wonder if that's part of the negotiated deal in San Francisco.
Oct 24th, 2014, 10:08 AM
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Yes, but when Air BnB is making hundreds of thousands of $ off these landlords they are not eager to eliminate them from the listings.
I don't think the law will be changed to bar Air BnB specifically for those room rentals that are legal - but if they don't want to be prosecuted for the egregious instances they will have to take the laws of the city/state seriously.
I don't think the law will be changed to bar Air BnB specifically for those room rentals that are legal - but if they don't want to be prosecuted for the egregious instances they will have to take the laws of the city/state seriously.
Oct 24th, 2014, 10:15 AM
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Well, there we agree: AirBnB is going to have to cooperate to purge illegal listings, or risk losing even more revenue to fines and legal defense and such.
New technologies--which, weirdly, is AirBnB's category, even though rooms for rent have existed since there has been shelter--require new legal oversight.
New technologies--which, weirdly, is AirBnB's category, even though rooms for rent have existed since there has been shelter--require new legal oversight.
Oct 24th, 2014, 10:37 AM
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Oct 24th, 2014, 12:37 PM
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It doesn't matter on which site you find the rentals.
In NYC some apartment and house vacation rentals are scams. But more importantly even if they are not outright scams,
and you rent for less than 30 days you could end up in an illegal rental.
In NYC some apartment and house vacation rentals are scams. But more importantly even if they are not outright scams,
and you rent for less than 30 days you could end up in an illegal rental.
Oct 24th, 2014, 02:22 PM
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I think it's important to note that AirBnB and VRBO are very different sites. AirBnB is meant for people to list a room in their home; VRBO is meant for traditional home and apartment listings for short-term rentals. Of course, they're both prone to misuse in all the usual ways, including listings for nonexistent or illegal rentals.
Oct 24th, 2014, 03:36 PM
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>>AirBnB is meant for people to list a room in their home; >Whether an apartment for a night, a castle for a week, or a villa for a month, Airbnb connects people to unique travel experiences,>exiledprincess, I have no idea. I'm asking if this problem also applies to vrbo. If so, I will not use them for a vacation rental and will book traditionally.in New York City. Almost all vacation rentals in NYC are illegal. In other places, it can be legal or not . . . but the point of this thread is mainly NY-specific. In NY airbnb/vrbo/'traditional' are all equally problematic.
Where it is legal, there wouldn't be any difference airbnb vs. vrbo vs. 'traditional' agencies. Any would be fine.
Where it is legal, there wouldn't be any difference airbnb vs. vrbo vs. 'traditional' agencies. Any would be fine.
Oct 25th, 2014, 03:06 AM
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These (and others) are online marketplaces for finding alternative vacation rental lodging.
"Why is the city of New York pitting itself, foolishly, against AirBnB specifically?" I personally don't think this is a foolish situation. Are you saying that any private individual or entity has the right to disregard the law?
I don't think that this thread should be diluted by comments re: other locations, but perhaps someone from the West Coast/SF area might start a thread on the "AirBnB law" which went to the mayor's desk?
"Why is the city of New York pitting itself, foolishly, against AirBnB specifically?" I personally don't think this is a foolish situation. Are you saying that any private individual or entity has the right to disregard the law?
I don't think that this thread should be diluted by comments re: other locations, but perhaps someone from the West Coast/SF area might start a thread on the "AirBnB law" which went to the mayor's desk?
Oct 25th, 2014, 03:10 AM
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Let me correct this:
"Why is the city of New York pitting itself, foolishly, against AirBnB specifically?" I personally don't think this is a foolish situation. Are you saying that any private individual or entity has the right to disregard the law? Or knowingly enable those breaking the law a venue for doing so?
"Why is the city of New York pitting itself, foolishly, against AirBnB specifically?" I personally don't think this is a foolish situation. Are you saying that any private individual or entity has the right to disregard the law? Or knowingly enable those breaking the law a venue for doing so?
Oct 25th, 2014, 04:17 AM
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To clarify - the sublet law in question is not a New York City law - it's a New York State law - the reason that the state attorney general is involved.
And I'm not sure of the rent laws in SF - or if they have the same lack of affordable housing that they are actively trying to resolve - or the same level or activity and profit to Air BnB.
And I'm not sure of the rent laws in SF - or if they have the same lack of affordable housing that they are actively trying to resolve - or the same level or activity and profit to Air BnB.
