Mini SF Trip Report
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Mini SF Trip Report
Just have to tell you that I had a wonderful time in San Francisco last Wed. - Fri. The weather was absolutely beautiful - sunny and warm - and I was so ready for it after all the rain.
I started the day with a SF CITY GUIDES TOUR OF THE LANDMARK VICTORIANS OF ALAMO SQUARE conducted by Ellen Dudley. Her knowledge and enthusiasm for Victorians made the tour so interesting.
Our tour started at 824 Grove St. at the Brune-Reutlinger House. To our amazement, Richard Reutlinger came out on the porch and invited us in to view his home and gave us a personal tour. He has lovingly restored the home and I understand it has been featured in magazines:
http://tinyurl.com/k82qq
Because of Ellen's detailed hand-out and descriptions, I now understand the different styles of Victorian architechture. I can identify an Italianate Flat Front, San Francisco Stick or a Queen Anne Tower House. I will never be able to drive down a SF street again without scrutinizing the Victorians to determine their style. The tours are free but a very low key request for donations to the program is made at the end of the tour.
I was delighted to meet Ellen's husband, Stu Dudley, at the end of the tour. Stu posts here on Fodors and has given me great tips on SF as well as helping me plan our Provence trip this coming June.
I headed over to Polk Street because I was determined to eat lunch at SWANS no matter how late it was getting for lunch. I sat at the counter (the only place to sit) and had the crab salad. The meat was sweet and extremely fresh and since it was now almost 3, devoured it.
I had passed a WHOLE FOODS GROCERY STORE one block off of Van Ness and decided to browse. Checked out the Truffle Oil section and bought some fresh strawberries and veggies. I now have a grocery bag and look like a native.
Took the trolley car from VanNess down California Street and got off near the Ritz. Walked down the street to Pine and our hotel the NOB HILL LAMBOURNE. We have stayed in this little hotel before and really like it.
http://tinyurl.com/q95ph
Our room had a mini kitchen with fridge, microwave, coffee pot, sink, and dishes. Rooms are a decent size. At 6 p.m. wine and cheese is served in the "living room" which is a relaxing place to sit and read the paper, stare at the paintings or out the window. The cheese on Wed. was a brie but with streaks of blue cheese, very delicious, almost French tasting, and a plain brie, served with an assortment of crackers my favorite being the poppyseed crackers.
Breakfast is also served in the "living room" in the morning. Juice, coffee, tea, yogurt, whole wheat toast, mini muffins, eggs, cheese, bagels with choice of cream cheese, butter, and strawberry jam.
My only complaint is that all rooms have queen beds (no kings) and the mattresses are not as comfortable as at the Rex but then I have back problems. Next time I will bring my egg crate back pad (my husband will love that).
Thursday I spent shopping (MACYS was having its annual flower show) and inspected the CITY HALL which is very regal inside under the gold dome (pardon, is this Invaldies). It is very lovely just too bad you have to walk down Market to get to it or through the tenderloin. Next time I will take a taxi or bus.
I started the day with a SF CITY GUIDES TOUR OF THE LANDMARK VICTORIANS OF ALAMO SQUARE conducted by Ellen Dudley. Her knowledge and enthusiasm for Victorians made the tour so interesting.
Our tour started at 824 Grove St. at the Brune-Reutlinger House. To our amazement, Richard Reutlinger came out on the porch and invited us in to view his home and gave us a personal tour. He has lovingly restored the home and I understand it has been featured in magazines:
http://tinyurl.com/k82qq
Because of Ellen's detailed hand-out and descriptions, I now understand the different styles of Victorian architechture. I can identify an Italianate Flat Front, San Francisco Stick or a Queen Anne Tower House. I will never be able to drive down a SF street again without scrutinizing the Victorians to determine their style. The tours are free but a very low key request for donations to the program is made at the end of the tour.
I was delighted to meet Ellen's husband, Stu Dudley, at the end of the tour. Stu posts here on Fodors and has given me great tips on SF as well as helping me plan our Provence trip this coming June.
I headed over to Polk Street because I was determined to eat lunch at SWANS no matter how late it was getting for lunch. I sat at the counter (the only place to sit) and had the crab salad. The meat was sweet and extremely fresh and since it was now almost 3, devoured it.
I had passed a WHOLE FOODS GROCERY STORE one block off of Van Ness and decided to browse. Checked out the Truffle Oil section and bought some fresh strawberries and veggies. I now have a grocery bag and look like a native.
Took the trolley car from VanNess down California Street and got off near the Ritz. Walked down the street to Pine and our hotel the NOB HILL LAMBOURNE. We have stayed in this little hotel before and really like it.
http://tinyurl.com/q95ph
Our room had a mini kitchen with fridge, microwave, coffee pot, sink, and dishes. Rooms are a decent size. At 6 p.m. wine and cheese is served in the "living room" which is a relaxing place to sit and read the paper, stare at the paintings or out the window. The cheese on Wed. was a brie but with streaks of blue cheese, very delicious, almost French tasting, and a plain brie, served with an assortment of crackers my favorite being the poppyseed crackers.
Breakfast is also served in the "living room" in the morning. Juice, coffee, tea, yogurt, whole wheat toast, mini muffins, eggs, cheese, bagels with choice of cream cheese, butter, and strawberry jam.
My only complaint is that all rooms have queen beds (no kings) and the mattresses are not as comfortable as at the Rex but then I have back problems. Next time I will bring my egg crate back pad (my husband will love that).
Thursday I spent shopping (MACYS was having its annual flower show) and inspected the CITY HALL which is very regal inside under the gold dome (pardon, is this Invaldies). It is very lovely just too bad you have to walk down Market to get to it or through the tenderloin. Next time I will take a taxi or bus.
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Well, my mini report is getting rather long but was unable to change the title.
For lunch I headed over to the GRAND CAFE http://www.grandcafe-sf.com/ (wow, now I really feel like I am in Paris). I ordered a salad and the steamed mussels with white wine, Pernod, fennel, creme fraiche and shoe string potatoes. Absolutely delicious and the place is beautiful.
Walking back towards Union Square I almost passed by the Christopher-Clark Fine Art gallery but was amazed to see Toulouse-Lautrec prints/lithographs in the window and went in to have a look around http://www.clarkfineart.com/ I was amazed to see for sale works by Renoir, Manet, Matisse and greats. Another gallery a couple doors down has an amazing collection of Chagalls. The prices are amazing as well.
Next I walked down Maiden Lane and checked out the fabrics and dishes at Pierre Deux, passed by Diptyque, and further down Maiden Lane there is a nice candle shop with French products - I think the name is Candleir??
For dinner we ate at CLEMENTINE'S on Clement Street and were not disappointed. I had the duck breast with foie gras sauce served on a bed of mushrooms and with a little pat of truffle butter on top. The place has the feel of a little French Bistro and was packed even at 8:30. Reservations essential. If you get there before 7 p.m. you can order the 2 course special. http://tinyurl.com/khd9n
Friday we walked around Union Square, checked out the Conga Line forming to celebrate dance, and headed over to the Grand Cafe. My husband ordered the lamb sandwich and I ordered the lobster club sandwich with truffle fries. He really liked his lamb but not sure I would recommend the club sandwich - the filling was delicious but the bread was plain white bread.
Well, making my list for next time. Never enough time to do everything but we did enjoy ourselves!
For lunch I headed over to the GRAND CAFE http://www.grandcafe-sf.com/ (wow, now I really feel like I am in Paris). I ordered a salad and the steamed mussels with white wine, Pernod, fennel, creme fraiche and shoe string potatoes. Absolutely delicious and the place is beautiful.
Walking back towards Union Square I almost passed by the Christopher-Clark Fine Art gallery but was amazed to see Toulouse-Lautrec prints/lithographs in the window and went in to have a look around http://www.clarkfineart.com/ I was amazed to see for sale works by Renoir, Manet, Matisse and greats. Another gallery a couple doors down has an amazing collection of Chagalls. The prices are amazing as well.
Next I walked down Maiden Lane and checked out the fabrics and dishes at Pierre Deux, passed by Diptyque, and further down Maiden Lane there is a nice candle shop with French products - I think the name is Candleir??
For dinner we ate at CLEMENTINE'S on Clement Street and were not disappointed. I had the duck breast with foie gras sauce served on a bed of mushrooms and with a little pat of truffle butter on top. The place has the feel of a little French Bistro and was packed even at 8:30. Reservations essential. If you get there before 7 p.m. you can order the 2 course special. http://tinyurl.com/khd9n
Friday we walked around Union Square, checked out the Conga Line forming to celebrate dance, and headed over to the Grand Cafe. My husband ordered the lamb sandwich and I ordered the lobster club sandwich with truffle fries. He really liked his lamb but not sure I would recommend the club sandwich - the filling was delicious but the bread was plain white bread.
Well, making my list for next time. Never enough time to do everything but we did enjoy ourselves!
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Ronda....report on! Good job.
We need another trip to SF and now we just may go!
Nothing like a tourist's perspective to get the "tainted" SF juices flowing again.
The tour sounds very nice.
"Stu Dudley"... hmmmm name does sound familiar.
BTW...we love the Gr Cafe and you hit the nail on the head about stepping into Paris.
Alohaaaa MichelleY...Sacto GTG sometime this summer? Maybe when sunbum comes down for a visit? Just mowed my lawn before the rain begins...again!
I'll drop you a line off board so I dont' "DB Cooper" this fine SF thread.
We need another trip to SF and now we just may go!

Nothing like a tourist's perspective to get the "tainted" SF juices flowing again.
The tour sounds very nice.
"Stu Dudley"... hmmmm name does sound familiar.

BTW...we love the Gr Cafe and you hit the nail on the head about stepping into Paris.
Alohaaaa MichelleY...Sacto GTG sometime this summer? Maybe when sunbum comes down for a visit? Just mowed my lawn before the rain begins...again!
I'll drop you a line off board so I dont' "DB Cooper" this fine SF thread.
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Kal, Stu posts quite a bit here on the "SF Board" and on the European Board. Just put StuDudley in the search box. He has excellent ideas for SF including what to see and what to eat. I have found his SF recommendations to be wonderful.
You should check out the www.sfcityguides.com website before you come again as they do update their schedule from time to time.
You should check out the www.sfcityguides.com website before you come again as they do update their schedule from time to time.
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Hi, Ronda, did you like the flower show?
I was inside going to the post office, and then checked out a couple of windows going to Market St - what a disappointment this year!
Their "Italian theme" looked like too much tasteless greenery. I wonder which flower company they'd hired this year.
I was inside going to the post office, and then checked out a couple of windows going to Market St - what a disappointment this year!
Their "Italian theme" looked like too much tasteless greenery. I wonder which flower company they'd hired this year.
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OK Kal, you got me!
Faina, yes, the flower show was a disappointment. The only thing Italian about it were the huge Tuscany posters on the front of the building and the shopping bags. Down in the cellar there was also a display by an Italian Restaurant selling Italian honey, pasta, but nothing fantastic.
Faina, where are you traveling to? I saw your post re the little prayer.
Faina, yes, the flower show was a disappointment. The only thing Italian about it were the huge Tuscany posters on the front of the building and the shopping bags. Down in the cellar there was also a display by an Italian Restaurant selling Italian honey, pasta, but nothing fantastic.
Faina, where are you traveling to? I saw your post re the little prayer.
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Ronda, I looked for this prayer for a friend, and the search didn't help much, so I topped it, just in case... no real plans for a trip, just dreams, dreams
Will have "a quickie" to Lake Tahoe on Memorial day, after that - who knows?
Will have "a quickie" to Lake Tahoe on Memorial day, after that - who knows?
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Dear Ronda,
Don't you just love Diptyque? It's such a temptation to live in a city where you can just walk to Maiden Lane and drop major bucks on sweet smelling stuff!
I love Grand Cafe and have had many happy meals (not, for heavens sake Happy Meals) there. I've always loved the bit "rabbit" sculpture and hope they are still there.
I'm glad you enjoyed our town!
Don't you just love Diptyque? It's such a temptation to live in a city where you can just walk to Maiden Lane and drop major bucks on sweet smelling stuff!
I love Grand Cafe and have had many happy meals (not, for heavens sake Happy Meals) there. I've always loved the bit "rabbit" sculpture and hope they are still there.
I'm glad you enjoyed our town!
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Being a native of SF, I would say that while you disliked having to walk through some of the poorer areas of the city, keep in mind that to get a true feel of the city, one needs to emcompass all of its populations and neighborhoods....
for instance, if one just stayed in the Pac Heights and North Beach and Marina Area, I don't think they would really get a feel for the unique diversity this city has to offer.
As for City Hall, many of the locals abhor it....we are in a debt and the mayor spends 1 million on a golden dome....not too many of the native san franciscans appreciated it...myself included.
for instance, if one just stayed in the Pac Heights and North Beach and Marina Area, I don't think they would really get a feel for the unique diversity this city has to offer.
As for City Hall, many of the locals abhor it....we are in a debt and the mayor spends 1 million on a golden dome....not too many of the native san franciscans appreciated it...myself included.
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>>we are in a debt and the mayor spends 1 million on a golden dome....not too many of the native san franciscans appreciated it...myself included.<<
I appreciate it!!! The dome "shines out" over much of the city and you can see it from quite a distance. Many people on my wife's walking tours take pictures of it from Fulton & Alamo Square. That Golden Dome will last at least 50 more years, and I think 1 million is not that much to spend for something that millions of people will enjoy.
Stu Dudley
I appreciate it!!! The dome "shines out" over much of the city and you can see it from quite a distance. Many people on my wife's walking tours take pictures of it from Fulton & Alamo Square. That Golden Dome will last at least 50 more years, and I think 1 million is not that much to spend for something that millions of people will enjoy.
Stu Dudley
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Hi Stu....the point that I was trying to make, is that for a city without the money to provide adequate schooling, the lowest percentage of households with children in a major US city, homelessness, etc. that spending 1 million on a dome is ridiculous.
But then again, it was done by a mayor who had disparaging remarks said about the city's working poor.
Ah, I miss what the city used to have...it seems to be losing a lot of its beauty......I have lived here my entire life, and I can say without a doubt that the city has lost a lot of its diversity.....
But then again, it was done by a mayor who had disparaging remarks said about the city's working poor.
Ah, I miss what the city used to have...it seems to be losing a lot of its beauty......I have lived here my entire life, and I can say without a doubt that the city has lost a lot of its diversity.....
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>>Ah, I miss what the city used to have...it seems to be losing a lot of its beauty<<
1. I think the entire Embarcadero has a lot more "beauty" than it had just 5 years ago. I was always opposed to knocking down the Embarcadero freeway. Wow - I was wrong!!!
2. The entire SOMA, and recently around ATT park is a wonderful area now. It was mostly no-man's land just 15 years ago.
3. Hayes Valley is a lot nicer than it was 10 years ago. It was real scary to drive down Oak or Haight back then. Now we walk down these streets going/coming from restaurants in the evening. We hang out at the shopping area of Hayes now - would not do that 30 years ago.
4. My wife was a housepainter in "Do-City" (Divisadero, between Waller & Grove) back in the mid 70s. They had to get there very early in the morning before residents woke up to insure the painter's safety. Now it is a lot nicer - not unsafe at all. Many have said it's the new "upscale" area to live in.
5. Alamo Square is much nicer than it was 20 years ago.
6. The Embarcadero Center area was not that attractive 35 years ago - much more enjoyable now.
7. The Crissy Filed area is much more beautiful now.
8. I think even the Noe Valley is better now than it was 30 years ago.
9. The Mission was a little scary when we lived close by in the 70s. Now it's a much more enjoyable area to visit day & night. We feel perfectly safe there in the evening - didn't in the 70s.
10. Just within the last 6 months, the Octavia street corridor has "opened up" - making that area more pleasent to live/spend time in. I also opposed the tearing down of the Central freeway - I was wrong there too.
11. I think the Presidio will be a major spot of beauty when everything is completed to convert the old military buildings into a different use.
12. Victorian Houses - they were tearing them down in the 60s & early 70s. The City was the major culprit. Now, they sell/rent for a premium. There are fewer abandoned buildings now (of any kind) than there were 30 years ago.
13. I think they could have done a better job with Union Square, but it's a more pleasent area now than it was a few years ago.
Stu Dudley
1. I think the entire Embarcadero has a lot more "beauty" than it had just 5 years ago. I was always opposed to knocking down the Embarcadero freeway. Wow - I was wrong!!!
2. The entire SOMA, and recently around ATT park is a wonderful area now. It was mostly no-man's land just 15 years ago.
3. Hayes Valley is a lot nicer than it was 10 years ago. It was real scary to drive down Oak or Haight back then. Now we walk down these streets going/coming from restaurants in the evening. We hang out at the shopping area of Hayes now - would not do that 30 years ago.
4. My wife was a housepainter in "Do-City" (Divisadero, between Waller & Grove) back in the mid 70s. They had to get there very early in the morning before residents woke up to insure the painter's safety. Now it is a lot nicer - not unsafe at all. Many have said it's the new "upscale" area to live in.
5. Alamo Square is much nicer than it was 20 years ago.
6. The Embarcadero Center area was not that attractive 35 years ago - much more enjoyable now.
7. The Crissy Filed area is much more beautiful now.
8. I think even the Noe Valley is better now than it was 30 years ago.
9. The Mission was a little scary when we lived close by in the 70s. Now it's a much more enjoyable area to visit day & night. We feel perfectly safe there in the evening - didn't in the 70s.
10. Just within the last 6 months, the Octavia street corridor has "opened up" - making that area more pleasent to live/spend time in. I also opposed the tearing down of the Central freeway - I was wrong there too.
11. I think the Presidio will be a major spot of beauty when everything is completed to convert the old military buildings into a different use.
12. Victorian Houses - they were tearing them down in the 60s & early 70s. The City was the major culprit. Now, they sell/rent for a premium. There are fewer abandoned buildings now (of any kind) than there were 30 years ago.
13. I think they could have done a better job with Union Square, but it's a more pleasent area now than it was a few years ago.
Stu Dudley
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Stu:
Regarding item #4 on your list.
I was dating an instructor at Ann Halprin's Dancer's Workshop on Divisadero during the early 70's, so I was on that stretch of Divis a lot and I concur about its recent rise to respectability. There was a "Do-City" barbershop and, if memory does not fail me, also a "Do-City" BBQ joint in the 'hood. Any ideas about the origin of the name? I'd be very interested to know.
Thanks,
dovima
Regarding item #4 on your list.
I was dating an instructor at Ann Halprin's Dancer's Workshop on Divisadero during the early 70's, so I was on that stretch of Divis a lot and I concur about its recent rise to respectability. There was a "Do-City" barbershop and, if memory does not fail me, also a "Do-City" BBQ joint in the 'hood. Any ideas about the origin of the name? I'd be very interested to know.
Thanks,
dovima



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