Livng in the South
Aug 16th, 2004, 06:52 AM
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But also remember that the South is so changed from the days we are (mostly) speaking about.
You will find people in your area from other countries as well as the North and West Coast. We have Lebanese neighbors as well as folks from Tennessee and long time residents of Georgia and SC..
As long as companies from Up North keep moving down South, the influx of new blood will keep coming..which I think is a wonderful thing.
Some of those old Southern families have a few too many "odd" uncles and aunts or cousins, something that some new blood might correct in future generations
Of course, that does not apply to anyone on here!! We are all amazingly bright and witty and have no mental problems whatsoever LOL
You will find people in your area from other countries as well as the North and West Coast. We have Lebanese neighbors as well as folks from Tennessee and long time residents of Georgia and SC..
As long as companies from Up North keep moving down South, the influx of new blood will keep coming..which I think is a wonderful thing.
Some of those old Southern families have a few too many "odd" uncles and aunts or cousins, something that some new blood might correct in future generations
Of course, that does not apply to anyone on here!! We are all amazingly bright and witty and have no mental problems whatsoever LOL
Aug 16th, 2004, 06:57 AM
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Pepsi was founded in New Bern, North Carolina. Last time I checked, NC was part of the CSA.
Like GoTravel said, stay away from phrases that start with "Back home . . ." Charleston will be your home.
I think your biggest problem will be the fact you don't like sweetea. I love the stuff and wish it was on the menu in every restaurant everywhere because you must add sugar to tea when it's hot or else it will not dissolve. End of rant.
Charleston is a beautiful city, full of history and with some people who still live in historic times. Tourism is a big industry there (just check out how many times someone asks a question about it here) and so there might be more emphasis on history than in some other southern town.
However, like any city there is good and bad in everything. Seek out the good, be aware of the bad, stay positive and you should do fine.
Like GoTravel said, stay away from phrases that start with "Back home . . ." Charleston will be your home.
I think your biggest problem will be the fact you don't like sweetea. I love the stuff and wish it was on the menu in every restaurant everywhere because you must add sugar to tea when it's hot or else it will not dissolve. End of rant.
Charleston is a beautiful city, full of history and with some people who still live in historic times. Tourism is a big industry there (just check out how many times someone asks a question about it here) and so there might be more emphasis on history than in some other southern town.
However, like any city there is good and bad in everything. Seek out the good, be aware of the bad, stay positive and you should do fine.
Aug 16th, 2004, 07:09 AM
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Scarlett, that is so true!
We all have an "odd" family member but we don't hide them. We let their craziness play out in public and embrace it as an oddity.
Think of the book "Prince of Tides". The main character had a grandfather that strapped a cross to his back every Easter and preached on every corner.
We all have an "odd" family member but we don't hide them. We let their craziness play out in public and embrace it as an oddity.
Think of the book "Prince of Tides". The main character had a grandfather that strapped a cross to his back every Easter and preached on every corner.
Aug 16th, 2004, 07:34 AM
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Love the comments about the "odd" cousins!
It's certainly true in our little town, where it's just accepted that every old family worth its grits has at least one "Cud'n Mattie," who keeps everyone laughing or crying.
Oh, the tales I could tell!
ammatters, you'll love the south. It may not be perfect, but it isn't dull!
Byrd
It's certainly true in our little town, where it's just accepted that every old family worth its grits has at least one "Cud'n Mattie," who keeps everyone laughing or crying.
Oh, the tales I could tell!
ammatters, you'll love the south. It may not be perfect, but it isn't dull!
Byrd
Aug 16th, 2004, 07:45 AM
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Also what are some regional "southern" food I should try? Also I read in ont of the erailer posts that Pepsi is from NC, does that mean I have to say good by to my beloved Coke? Also I was reading about apartmenst on-line, and most aloow pets! Which has me very excited becasue most apts where i live to not, If the south is pet friendly I will be alot happier!
Have a Great days guys
Ps I love talkeing to random people, this should be a great adventure!
Have a Great days guys
Ps I love talkeing to random people, this should be a great adventure!
Aug 16th, 2004, 08:42 AM
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"what are some southern regional foods I should try?"
-barbecue (the phrase "pork barbecue" is sometimes considered redundant), hushpuppies, corn bread (fried), stewed tomatoes, collard greens (with a bit of vinegar & chopped onion on it), turnip greens, black eyed peas, country ham, grits with red-eye gravy (made from country ham), sliced tomato sandwiches made with just mayonnaise and black pepper on white bread, pecan pie, succatash, squash, sweet potato, sweet potato pie, brunswick stew for starters.
Go to www.chowhound.com and browse the "South" part of the website. Lots of very knowledgeable and helpful people there can point you to some excellent Charleston restaurants.
Someone already mentioned it, but especially during the fall, there will be fundraising events held by local churches or volunteer fire departments/rescue squads which involve food. Huge kettles of homemade brunswick stew sold by the pint/quart or bbq chicken sold by the plate complete with vegetables. Usually pretty cheap and almost always real good.
-barbecue (the phrase "pork barbecue" is sometimes considered redundant), hushpuppies, corn bread (fried), stewed tomatoes, collard greens (with a bit of vinegar & chopped onion on it), turnip greens, black eyed peas, country ham, grits with red-eye gravy (made from country ham), sliced tomato sandwiches made with just mayonnaise and black pepper on white bread, pecan pie, succatash, squash, sweet potato, sweet potato pie, brunswick stew for starters.
Go to www.chowhound.com and browse the "South" part of the website. Lots of very knowledgeable and helpful people there can point you to some excellent Charleston restaurants.
Someone already mentioned it, but especially during the fall, there will be fundraising events held by local churches or volunteer fire departments/rescue squads which involve food. Huge kettles of homemade brunswick stew sold by the pint/quart or bbq chicken sold by the plate complete with vegetables. Usually pretty cheap and almost always real good.
Aug 16th, 2004, 08:59 AM
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I lived in the North ('44-67), the South ('67-75), the West ('75-'80) and the SouthWest ('80-'04). Other than auto traffic in the larger cities, flyover country is still the best.
All were wonderful, but now it's time to move on.
M
All were wonderful, but now it's time to move on.
M
Aug 16th, 2004, 09:15 AM
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As a southerner, I can still get a little choked up when I read Shelby Foote describe a battle scene like at Second Manassas where barefooted North Carolinians held off Northern troops with rocks and counterattacked through a briar patch.
If I could recount what Sir Winston Churchill concluded about Lee's Army: "Lee had three-quarters, and several times only half, the strength of his opponents. These brave Northerners were certainly hampered by a woeful political direction, but, on the other side, the Confederates were short of weapons, ammunition, food, clothes and boots. It was even said that their line of march could be traced by the bloodstained footprints of unshod men. But the Army of Northern Virignia carried the Confederacy on its bayonnets and made a struggle unsurpassed in history."
Of such memories, and the memories of utter defeat, has had an indelible imprint on the Southern mindset.
If I could recount what Sir Winston Churchill concluded about Lee's Army: "Lee had three-quarters, and several times only half, the strength of his opponents. These brave Northerners were certainly hampered by a woeful political direction, but, on the other side, the Confederates were short of weapons, ammunition, food, clothes and boots. It was even said that their line of march could be traced by the bloodstained footprints of unshod men. But the Army of Northern Virignia carried the Confederacy on its bayonnets and made a struggle unsurpassed in history."
Of such memories, and the memories of utter defeat, has had an indelible imprint on the Southern mindset.
Aug 16th, 2004, 09:33 AM
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I really know nothing about the civil war (even though i live near gettysburg) My school focused on more recent wars, and what we were told about the civil war was that it was basically just about slavery.
Aug 16th, 2004, 10:36 AM
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I'm the one who mentioned Pepsi. It was for SFImposter's boyfriend's parents who poo-pooed Pepsi. You'll have no trouble finding Pepsi or Coke products. You might want to try an RC Cola, another soda from the south. For local foods, visit a farmers' market and go wild over the fresh produce. There is also a thread around here with recipes. I don't remember the title but it had some yummy foods in it.
You're in a great area to learn about the Civil War (a/k/a "the late unpleasantness" "the war of Northern agression"). As a southerner we spent a lot of time in school studying the Civil War and missed out on other subjects. Travel is a great way to further your education.
You're in a great area to learn about the Civil War (a/k/a "the late unpleasantness" "the war of Northern agression"). As a southerner we spent a lot of time in school studying the Civil War and missed out on other subjects. Travel is a great way to further your education.
Aug 16th, 2004, 10:45 AM
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Back to food! Sinehat has a good list. But don't forget to try the boiled peanuts! Once you've had them, you'll wonder why they aren't popular everywhere.
Beware of cream sauces and fried foods. Save your high cal intake for barbeque and hush puppy consumption. These delectibles vary by locale and you will appear intelligent if you can discuss regional variation.
There are so many different accents in SC, that a person with a learned ear can identify which town people hail from by their accent.
Here's another tip. The coastal plain is called the low country; the Piedmont is the midlands, if I recall; and the Appalacians are the high country.
I think you are about ready for this adventure!
Beware of cream sauces and fried foods. Save your high cal intake for barbeque and hush puppy consumption. These delectibles vary by locale and you will appear intelligent if you can discuss regional variation.
There are so many different accents in SC, that a person with a learned ear can identify which town people hail from by their accent.
Here's another tip. The coastal plain is called the low country; the Piedmont is the midlands, if I recall; and the Appalacians are the high country.
I think you are about ready for this adventure!
Aug 16th, 2004, 11:18 AM
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OK, back to food. Todays lunch at Barbara Jeans on the waterway in Ponte Vedra ..
drinks-tea, sweet
the breadbasket- bisuits, cheese cornbread, and pumpkin bread!
lunch-fried catfish sandwiches with cheese fries.
They offered a Chocolate Cobbler!! but I was already passed out from overgreasing!
'Odd" cousins, one who collected stuff and would ask everyone who came to visit to come upstairs to the attic!! and look at his boxes of junk..we kids used to hate going over there, mom would force us to go look and be polite.
I am longing for the Fall Smell! We will take a fall trip back to NYC to get our 'fix'
drinks-tea, sweet
the breadbasket- bisuits, cheese cornbread, and pumpkin bread!
lunch-fried catfish sandwiches with cheese fries.
They offered a Chocolate Cobbler!! but I was already passed out from overgreasing!
'Odd" cousins, one who collected stuff and would ask everyone who came to visit to come upstairs to the attic!! and look at his boxes of junk..we kids used to hate going over there, mom would force us to go look and be polite.
I am longing for the Fall Smell! We will take a fall trip back to NYC to get our 'fix'
Aug 16th, 2004, 11:22 AM
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Slavery was the hot button issue that drove the emotional aspect of the war, but the regional/sectional differences between the northern and southern states had been a problem since the early 1800s. The north was mainly an industrial economy relying on immigrant labor to run its factories, while the south was mainly an agricultural society relying on slave labor to operate its farms. (Slavery in fact wasn't outlawed in some of the northern areas until the 1840s.)
The north was more populous, it was able to more effectively control Congress and pass laws more beneficial to the northern interests which the south came to bitterly resent. For instance, cotton was the cash crop for the south(it was in fact referred to as King Cotton) and the southern farmers made good money exporting cotton to Great Britain which had a highly industrialized cloth producing sector. The north also had an industrialized cloth producing sector, but was not able to pay the prices that England was, so a lot of the cotton was sold in England instead of going up north. Congress in the 1840s passed tariffs which said basicaly cotton shipped anywhere outside the US borders would be taxed. This meant that the southern cotton producers got less for their cotton, and the northern cloth producers got cheaper raw mateials. Resentments start to build.
The south was more homogenous in its people, most came initially from the southern part of England, they thought alike, the talked alike, they were in fact very similar. The north was less homogenous, most of the immigrants would arrive in New York, Boston, Philadelphia and tended to stay in the areas. They tended to come from places other than southern England, other parts of Europe, mainly Germany, Italy, Scandinavia, eastern Europe, and brought differing viewpoints. The results, very few Jews, Catholics, Greek Orthodox in the south. Mainly protestants in the south.
Two different areas of the the country, two different types of people in those areas. The south feels the north is taking advantage of it, economically, legally, forcing it into a position that is not good for southern interests. The south feels it needs the slaves to maintain its agricultural economy, while some in the north start to feel that the owning of slaves is in no way defensible, calls for the abolition of slavery. South says that the north should mind its own business and that the federal government does not have the legal right to tell a particular state what is legal or illegal. For the south, the individual state is king, for the north, the Federal government is king. North says it does in fact have a legal right to redress a wrong and the union of all the states is more important than the particulars of the individual states. The feeling in the south leads to the idea that if Lincoln is elected in 1860, the southern interests, southern way of life, will be trampled. Several states threaten to suceed if he is elected. He is, and they do.
Slavery was an issue even back to the Revolutionary period, but it wasn't the only issue that led to the Civil War. Just one of many. IMHO
The north was more populous, it was able to more effectively control Congress and pass laws more beneficial to the northern interests which the south came to bitterly resent. For instance, cotton was the cash crop for the south(it was in fact referred to as King Cotton) and the southern farmers made good money exporting cotton to Great Britain which had a highly industrialized cloth producing sector. The north also had an industrialized cloth producing sector, but was not able to pay the prices that England was, so a lot of the cotton was sold in England instead of going up north. Congress in the 1840s passed tariffs which said basicaly cotton shipped anywhere outside the US borders would be taxed. This meant that the southern cotton producers got less for their cotton, and the northern cloth producers got cheaper raw mateials. Resentments start to build.
The south was more homogenous in its people, most came initially from the southern part of England, they thought alike, the talked alike, they were in fact very similar. The north was less homogenous, most of the immigrants would arrive in New York, Boston, Philadelphia and tended to stay in the areas. They tended to come from places other than southern England, other parts of Europe, mainly Germany, Italy, Scandinavia, eastern Europe, and brought differing viewpoints. The results, very few Jews, Catholics, Greek Orthodox in the south. Mainly protestants in the south.
Two different areas of the the country, two different types of people in those areas. The south feels the north is taking advantage of it, economically, legally, forcing it into a position that is not good for southern interests. The south feels it needs the slaves to maintain its agricultural economy, while some in the north start to feel that the owning of slaves is in no way defensible, calls for the abolition of slavery. South says that the north should mind its own business and that the federal government does not have the legal right to tell a particular state what is legal or illegal. For the south, the individual state is king, for the north, the Federal government is king. North says it does in fact have a legal right to redress a wrong and the union of all the states is more important than the particulars of the individual states. The feeling in the south leads to the idea that if Lincoln is elected in 1860, the southern interests, southern way of life, will be trampled. Several states threaten to suceed if he is elected. He is, and they do.
Slavery was an issue even back to the Revolutionary period, but it wasn't the only issue that led to the Civil War. Just one of many. IMHO
Aug 16th, 2004, 11:41 AM
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Don't forget the honey for the hushpuppies and the biscuits.
In our house, it's also cornbread stuffin' for Thanksgiving and Christmas.
The word "coke" is descriptive of all carbonated drinks, and certainly is never referred to as "soda".
It's a screen door, not a storm door.
It's craw-fish, not crae-fish.
And, please remember it's not pee-can pie. But rather picon pie.
I married a Jersey boy, and this conversation has circulated in our house many times.
In our house, it's also cornbread stuffin' for Thanksgiving and Christmas.
The word "coke" is descriptive of all carbonated drinks, and certainly is never referred to as "soda".
It's a screen door, not a storm door.
It's craw-fish, not crae-fish.
And, please remember it's not pee-can pie. But rather picon pie.
I married a Jersey boy, and this conversation has circulated in our house many times.
Aug 16th, 2004, 11:58 AM
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A couple of more.
Beach music has nothing to do with Jimmy Buffett or calypso. It's R & B and motown. Learn to Shag.
It's "hey" not "hi".
The phrase "do what?" (rising in tone as you say it) means(amongst other things), "I didn't hear or understand you, kindly say it again", or, "you've got to be kiddin'?"
Beach music has nothing to do with Jimmy Buffett or calypso. It's R & B and motown. Learn to Shag.
It's "hey" not "hi".
The phrase "do what?" (rising in tone as you say it) means(amongst other things), "I didn't hear or understand you, kindly say it again", or, "you've got to be kiddin'?"
