Isn't travelling better than going to college?
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I agree with Me who said it seems like you really want to spend time with your boyfriend. That is not bad in and of itself. Everyone is not made for college, and college is not made for everyone. However, I personally think college is the best educational experience you can have in many many ways, and I would hate to see you not give it a shot. You have to know yourself. If you go off and see the world for two years, will you just decide to get married and not go to college at all? Perhaps this is what your parents are concerned about. If you really want to go to college, know you will do it later, and are prepared to travel smartly (ie., learn from it), I say it is not a bad idea in that it can undoubtedly make your studies of history, art, politics, languages, and many other subjects more meaningful. This I know from personal experience. However, that is only the case if you are prepared for it. It is not enough to come back and say "oh yeah, I went there." You want to be able to say "oh yeah, I went there, and let me tell you what I learned about it." The ideal is what others have suggested: go to college, so you can prepare for travel and life, and take semester abroad or summer courses in another country.
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Don't let your boyfriend influence you away from college just because he does not want to go. You will be missing a great opportunity and remember your parents will be there when the boyfriend is gone. You will have lots of time to travel between semesters and during the summer. After you graduate college, take off a couple of months to Europe before settling down to a permanent job. You can do fun things during the summer and still make money. My daughter and her friend worked on a ranch this summer and had a blast. They also got paid very well, had fun and made lots of new friends. However, she is back home now in her 3rd year of college. Good luck in whatever decision you make.
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As a current college student, I recommend you compromise, and do both. I have travelled more in the past 4 years than I did in the previous 18. My travels have come in the form of weekend road trips, visits to the homes of friends in different states, spring breaks, a Rose Bowl trip, trips for work (a career-related job, at that), and a few trips to Florida to visit a girlfriend. I'll be travelling to DC before school starts, and I'm also planning another Bowl trip for New Years and a trip for spring break as well, not to mention a fabulous (and well-deserved) excursion next summer after graduation. By the way, I'm not wealthy in the least, and I have less money saved than you do.
Going to school involves a lot of hard work, but the connections you can make can allow you to travel at a fraction of the cost! I can go just about anywhere in the country and I have a free place to stay, and I can mooch some meals as well. I also agree with the above postings that you need to be somewhat educated to appreciate what you see. The world takes on an entirely different meaning once you acquire the thorough thought process necessary to succeed in college.
Travelling can't be compared directly to college--they are two completely different things. I believe, however, that they can complement each other very well to provide an entirely enriching experience.
Going to school involves a lot of hard work, but the connections you can make can allow you to travel at a fraction of the cost! I can go just about anywhere in the country and I have a free place to stay, and I can mooch some meals as well. I also agree with the above postings that you need to be somewhat educated to appreciate what you see. The world takes on an entirely different meaning once you acquire the thorough thought process necessary to succeed in college.
Travelling can't be compared directly to college--they are two completely different things. I believe, however, that they can complement each other very well to provide an entirely enriching experience.
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Melissa, I really hope this isn't a troll's thread -- but your comments don't sound too different from what I've heard from a lot of kids whom I interview for admission to college.
Tell your parents this admissions person thinks they're dead wrong to say they won't pay if you don't go this year. I understand what they're trying to do, but that ultimatum is a recipe for disaster -- forcing you to go now when you'll just goof off and hate what you're doing or forcing you to make a future decision based entirely on costs.
Three thoughts: Do you realize how little $3000 is and how quickly it will go? And getting a job while you're traveling is unrealistic because getting working papers in most countries is very difficult. Finally, the college you've already gotten into may well agree to defer your acceptance a year if you talk to them about specific plans for the year you are traveling.
What you might do is bargain with your parents. Promise absolutely you'll go a year from now or 18 months from now (depending on what the college says). Or promise you'll reapply to colleges within 2 years once you have a good, firm idea of what you want your career to look like. And promise to earn some of your own money to contribute to college. If you seem to have thought through why you are traveling and what you hope to gain -- and if you can discuss it calmly, maturely, and without hysterics with your parents, maybe they'd go along. I can tell you that applicants for admission who have had a little extra experience between high school and college can sometimes be really desirable to admissions committees, esp. if they have grown and learned and contributed. Some students who could never have gotten in to "my" college right out of high school can suddenly be much more likely candidates.
To everyone else reading this thread: Anyone between Jan. of their senior high school year and Jan. of their college freshman year is in a state of complete CRAZIES. Some get scared. Some get defiant. Some get confused. Some get depressed. Some get manic. Even though it's a wonderful time of life, it is very, very stressful and confusing, and you can count on the kid to do or say things you'd never expect from the kid you thought you knew. Parenting or advising at this point is a matter of slowing down the spinning and getting the person to take a deep breath, calm down, and focus. I think that's what Melissa needs to do, and maybe she's already doing it.
And if I could pass one national law, it would be that no one could go to college without at least a year's work or training experience.
Tell your parents this admissions person thinks they're dead wrong to say they won't pay if you don't go this year. I understand what they're trying to do, but that ultimatum is a recipe for disaster -- forcing you to go now when you'll just goof off and hate what you're doing or forcing you to make a future decision based entirely on costs.
Three thoughts: Do you realize how little $3000 is and how quickly it will go? And getting a job while you're traveling is unrealistic because getting working papers in most countries is very difficult. Finally, the college you've already gotten into may well agree to defer your acceptance a year if you talk to them about specific plans for the year you are traveling.
What you might do is bargain with your parents. Promise absolutely you'll go a year from now or 18 months from now (depending on what the college says). Or promise you'll reapply to colleges within 2 years once you have a good, firm idea of what you want your career to look like. And promise to earn some of your own money to contribute to college. If you seem to have thought through why you are traveling and what you hope to gain -- and if you can discuss it calmly, maturely, and without hysterics with your parents, maybe they'd go along. I can tell you that applicants for admission who have had a little extra experience between high school and college can sometimes be really desirable to admissions committees, esp. if they have grown and learned and contributed. Some students who could never have gotten in to "my" college right out of high school can suddenly be much more likely candidates.
To everyone else reading this thread: Anyone between Jan. of their senior high school year and Jan. of their college freshman year is in a state of complete CRAZIES. Some get scared. Some get defiant. Some get confused. Some get depressed. Some get manic. Even though it's a wonderful time of life, it is very, very stressful and confusing, and you can count on the kid to do or say things you'd never expect from the kid you thought you knew. Parenting or advising at this point is a matter of slowing down the spinning and getting the person to take a deep breath, calm down, and focus. I think that's what Melissa needs to do, and maybe she's already doing it.
And if I could pass one national law, it would be that no one could go to college without at least a year's work or training experience.
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Melissa-- Why don't you take a year and do a work/service project like the Peace Corp? I agree with those who say that you may not need college yet, but mindless wandering around is not educational-- it's just mindless wandering around! If you go with a program that would enable you to visit someplace interesting, but do some good while you are there and maybe learn too, you would have all the benefits of travel with a little more purpose.
By the way, most of us who rhapsodize about travel on this forum do so because we don't have enough time to see and do all that we would like to, precisely because we have jobs, families, etc. It might not be nearly so attractive if every morning we just got up and wondered where we were supposed to go today. I did a backpacking trip in Europe one summer during college, and while it was one of the best experiences of my life, I remeber clearly that I was ready to come home after seven weeks. You know how they say absence makes the heart grow fonder? Well it works with everything-- limited access to something you love makes you love it all the more.
By the way, most of us who rhapsodize about travel on this forum do so because we don't have enough time to see and do all that we would like to, precisely because we have jobs, families, etc. It might not be nearly so attractive if every morning we just got up and wondered where we were supposed to go today. I did a backpacking trip in Europe one summer during college, and while it was one of the best experiences of my life, I remeber clearly that I was ready to come home after seven weeks. You know how they say absence makes the heart grow fonder? Well it works with everything-- limited access to something you love makes you love it all the more.
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Hi Melissa!
Melissa, may I offer you some advice? I am 31 years old. Because of family obligations and financial constraints while growing up, I now find myself working full-time while going to college at night. Believe me, it's NOT easy this way, but for me, it's the ONLY way in which I can do it. In addition, I live in one of the MOST expensive cities in the world, NYC. I love to travel, and wouldn't give it up for the world. The people giving you advice on this forum don't even know you, aside from what you've told them, and they are ALL trying to help. What you have to realize is that you have to learn how to help YOURSELF. I suggest you treat yourself to a nice trip, perhaps during spring break of your first year at college. You'll get a taste of what Europe is like, accomplish going to school, and learn what it is like to be a responsible adult. It's better to have a degree than not. I don't enjoy going to school at this point in my life. I've just accepted it as fact, and that's it. I do love to learn though. And travelling will open your eyes to a whole new world. Allow your parents to pay for your tuition, and you pay for the trip. As a previous poster stated, $3,000 is NOT a lot of money. Believe me. Even though I work full-time, and go to school part-time, I make certain that I go to Europe once a year.It DOESN'T have to be expensive. Just do the research, and enjoy.
Hope my advice will be useful.
Ross.
Melissa, may I offer you some advice? I am 31 years old. Because of family obligations and financial constraints while growing up, I now find myself working full-time while going to college at night. Believe me, it's NOT easy this way, but for me, it's the ONLY way in which I can do it. In addition, I live in one of the MOST expensive cities in the world, NYC. I love to travel, and wouldn't give it up for the world. The people giving you advice on this forum don't even know you, aside from what you've told them, and they are ALL trying to help. What you have to realize is that you have to learn how to help YOURSELF. I suggest you treat yourself to a nice trip, perhaps during spring break of your first year at college. You'll get a taste of what Europe is like, accomplish going to school, and learn what it is like to be a responsible adult. It's better to have a degree than not. I don't enjoy going to school at this point in my life. I've just accepted it as fact, and that's it. I do love to learn though. And travelling will open your eyes to a whole new world. Allow your parents to pay for your tuition, and you pay for the trip. As a previous poster stated, $3,000 is NOT a lot of money. Believe me. Even though I work full-time, and go to school part-time, I make certain that I go to Europe once a year.It DOESN'T have to be expensive. Just do the research, and enjoy.
Hope my advice will be useful.
Ross.
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Years ago when I was a college student I participated in a weekend course sponsored by my speech professor. Everyone who participated received extra credit in the course, so of course I signed right up.
The course was one of those "get-to-know-yourself-bare-your-soul" type of things (in the 1970's it was EST, I believe), but at any rate, the goal of the course was to push your communication comfort zones and do so with complete honesty. Everyone stood up and voiced their deepest self-doubts and inadequacies to the rest of the group. Guess what? Not ONE person, no matter how seemingly self-assured or confident, knew what they wanted to do with their lives or whether or not their chosen major was even right for them.
If you think you will be the only one in college hating a particular course or unsure what you're doing there, don't feel alone. Chances are that MOST of the people there feel that way too. It's a time of self-discovery, so don't be afraid if some notions that you held to be true dissipate while you're in college.
Why not attend, see what you think, and travel during the summer and/or winter break?
The course was one of those "get-to-know-yourself-bare-your-soul" type of things (in the 1970's it was EST, I believe), but at any rate, the goal of the course was to push your communication comfort zones and do so with complete honesty. Everyone stood up and voiced their deepest self-doubts and inadequacies to the rest of the group. Guess what? Not ONE person, no matter how seemingly self-assured or confident, knew what they wanted to do with their lives or whether or not their chosen major was even right for them.
If you think you will be the only one in college hating a particular course or unsure what you're doing there, don't feel alone. Chances are that MOST of the people there feel that way too. It's a time of self-discovery, so don't be afraid if some notions that you held to be true dissipate while you're in college.
Why not attend, see what you think, and travel during the summer and/or winter break?
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C'mon you guys.
This is either a complete troll post or is the next best thing.
"I'm 18 and I have my own money so I want to travel for a year in Europe".
On $3000?!!?
I can go through that in 2-3 DAYS.
The author is either VERY naive and fishing for attention or is laughing heartily at all your "wise" responses.
School is back in session....in more ways than one!!
This is either a complete troll post or is the next best thing.
"I'm 18 and I have my own money so I want to travel for a year in Europe".
On $3000?!!?
I can go through that in 2-3 DAYS.
The author is either VERY naive and fishing for attention or is laughing heartily at all your "wise" responses.
School is back in session....in more ways than one!!
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What in the world are you doing in 2-3 days that costs $3,000? Have you been on the Most Beautiful Prostitutes or Where I Can I Get Good Drugs strings?
Anyway, Melissa--you say you are 18 and have "your own" money, so you can do what you want. So while you earned this money, were you supporting yourself? Or did this financial support come from your parents? Believe it or not, they care about you and really want to give you the best start in life they can. Maybe they don't remember exactly what it's like to be 18, but they have been there. Really listen to what they have to say about your plans AND your boyfriend. Deep down, maybe you won't agree with everything, but you might start to agree with some of the things they are saying.
Anyway, Melissa--you say you are 18 and have "your own" money, so you can do what you want. So while you earned this money, were you supporting yourself? Or did this financial support come from your parents? Believe it or not, they care about you and really want to give you the best start in life they can. Maybe they don't remember exactly what it's like to be 18, but they have been there. Really listen to what they have to say about your plans AND your boyfriend. Deep down, maybe you won't agree with everything, but you might start to agree with some of the things they are saying.
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Bob Brown gave you great advice.
Get an education - no one will hire you because you traveled, but they will hire you if you have a college degree. A good compromise is go to college and apply for a study abroad program, you can spend a year or semester living in a foreign country, attending school and traveling during breaks. You might want to talk your boyfriend into going to college too -- he too will be more employable with a degree.
Get an education - no one will hire you because you traveled, but they will hire you if you have a college degree. A good compromise is go to college and apply for a study abroad program, you can spend a year or semester living in a foreign country, attending school and traveling during breaks. You might want to talk your boyfriend into going to college too -- he too will be more employable with a degree.
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Well, I hope you people are happy. Another person asks for advice, only to be shot down by crabs. What's is WRONG with you people? Lots of posters gave very smart advice here, and maybe it would have helped. But a few of you just had to get nasty. Before you call someone a troll/liar, you'd better be darn sure. You should be ashamed of yourselves.
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Melissa (assuming you are for real): No matter what anyone tells you, including your parents, you are going to have to figure this out on your own. Your parents are very smart to tell you that they will not fund your education unless you go right now. It's called MOTIVATION. A lot in life is boring. After a time traveling with your boyfriend, you'll find him very boring, not to mention annoying. Any boyfriend who tells you that you will "do OK" if you don't go to college at all is holding you back. That may be why your parents disapprove of him, along with the fact that no man with morals and character would go traipsing around Europe with a teenager who is not his wife. I'm guessing you don't know the first thing about traveling through Europe, including how long $3000 will last you. Do you know how to get a passport? Are you familiar with the entrance regulations and length of stay limitation for the countries you plan to visit? Are you aware that, in most European countries, you cannot legally gain employment? If you are interested in Fashion Design, there are plenty of colleges where you could major in same. You could complete your first two years near home, then transfer to another if the one near home does not offer that major course of study. As others have mentioned, it's far more advantageous to get college out of the way as soon as possible. If I could pass a law, it would be that kids are kicked out of the nest on their 18th birthday so they can experience first hand what it costs to support themselves. You have no idea how lucky you are to have parents who not only set high standards for you but are willing (and able) to contribute to your college education. If you've really saved $3000 from a job, you must know first hand how "boring" a low-paying job is. Advancing beyond one of those boring low-paying jobs requires education and/or skills. There's not a person alive over the age of 30 who hasn't learned that - heck, my parents were right about a thing or two!
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To all you nice Fodor's readers out there, I would just like to apologize and let you know that we've tried our best to help Melissa move beyond her fantasy world here on the computer. She has always had a problem with truthfulness, but her doctor says it's really a weaknes in her "reality testing" ability, or something like that. Anyway, when she takes her medicine she's a good girl. But that Joey down the street has been a very bad influence on her and puts all manner of silly ideas in her head about running away from home and such. She'll be bakc in school in the eighth grade next week and we'll be cutting back on her computer time. Sorry to inconvenience y'all.
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What this really shows is that there are a lot of people out there that really care about others and want to help. It doesn't matter if this a valid thread or not. It is full of good advice and feeling which from which somebody might benefit. Then there are just a few others on the thread that really don't count in this world. I don't think there is much more to be said after the last post.

