How safe are the NY subways?
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How safe are the NY subways?
One of the books I'm reading has almost frightened me away from the subways. How concerned should I be, especially at night? I've only been on subways once (last year, in Australia)and seemed to stay lost, but was comfortable in my surroundings.Is it about the same? Thanks again.
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Here's something from an article I googled:
"The number of killings rose from two in 2006 to four last year, a return to normalcy for a system in which the number of homicides a year has hovered between two and four for a decade."
Overall, crime in the subways dropped 12.9 percent - led by a radical fall in rape, robbery and grand larceny, according to the NYPD data.
The only crime classification to rise was assault, going up 8.9 percent, from 192 in 2006 to 209 in 2007."
Let me put that in context, there are about 5 million individual trips taken by subway everyday. That's about the size of Sydney? 209 assaults annually for a city the size of Sydney.
There are a few things to keep in mind. First, when you look at crime in the areas most visited by tourists, it is very, very low. Second, if you are a victim of crime as a tourist, it is most likely something like having your wallet stolen.
You can do things to prevent that. I never keep my wallet in my back pocket when on the subway or when walking through areas frequented by tourists. Always in the front pocket. A woman carrying a purse need to make sure in a crowd that the opening isn't exposed.
If riding the subway at night, stay within visual sight of the token booths. Many are staffed 24 hours. Enter where you see a green light at the entrance. Ride in the car with the conductor, which is usually towards the middle.
In my 20 years of commuting in NYC, only once did I feel like I was in a position where I might be in trouble. That was in the early 1990's when NYC was far more lawless. The group moved on when one of the said I looked like an undercover cop.
"The number of killings rose from two in 2006 to four last year, a return to normalcy for a system in which the number of homicides a year has hovered between two and four for a decade."
Overall, crime in the subways dropped 12.9 percent - led by a radical fall in rape, robbery and grand larceny, according to the NYPD data.
The only crime classification to rise was assault, going up 8.9 percent, from 192 in 2006 to 209 in 2007."
Let me put that in context, there are about 5 million individual trips taken by subway everyday. That's about the size of Sydney? 209 assaults annually for a city the size of Sydney.
There are a few things to keep in mind. First, when you look at crime in the areas most visited by tourists, it is very, very low. Second, if you are a victim of crime as a tourist, it is most likely something like having your wallet stolen.
You can do things to prevent that. I never keep my wallet in my back pocket when on the subway or when walking through areas frequented by tourists. Always in the front pocket. A woman carrying a purse need to make sure in a crowd that the opening isn't exposed.
If riding the subway at night, stay within visual sight of the token booths. Many are staffed 24 hours. Enter where you see a green light at the entrance. Ride in the car with the conductor, which is usually towards the middle.
In my 20 years of commuting in NYC, only once did I feel like I was in a position where I might be in trouble. That was in the early 1990's when NYC was far more lawless. The group moved on when one of the said I looked like an undercover cop.
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Indeed, my daughter once saw a couple of subway undercover cops spring into action (in another city) and she reported that the looks of astonishment on the faces of everyone else on the train were quite genuine. She expects that word gets out (that anybody on the train could be a cop) and that their anonymity is much more powerful than a uniformed presence could be. We have ridden the NYC subways as visitors and never felt any concern.
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I take the subways all the time. Had my 10 and 12 year old nephews with me last week.
They are not for everyone, and I've seen plenty of times, lost visitors. I always try and help and many times, they are totally clueless on the subways.
They are very safe in my opinion. But it will go a long way, if you understand how to get around and do some prior homework.
Map out your locations, determine if they are downtown, or uptown from where you are, then you will know the entrance and direction to go in. Key is to not be huddled over a map looking lost.
If they are not for you, then consider the buses or just use your feet and cabs.
They are not for everyone, and I've seen plenty of times, lost visitors. I always try and help and many times, they are totally clueless on the subways.
They are very safe in my opinion. But it will go a long way, if you understand how to get around and do some prior homework.
Map out your locations, determine if they are downtown, or uptown from where you are, then you will know the entrance and direction to go in. Key is to not be huddled over a map looking lost.
If they are not for you, then consider the buses or just use your feet and cabs.
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Also, if you are a tourist, most of the time you will be in very large crowds. The only real problem would be the one already mentioned: pickpockets. They are a problem wherever there are tourists. Otherwise, you just have to have a fairly good idea of which train you want before you go down there so you won't have too much of the lost feeling. And when you exit, if you aren't exactly sure where you are - just take any exit and get up and outdoors. Then you will feel more relaxed about finding your way.
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New York subways in tourist areas are perfectly safe. There are areas - bad neighborhoods in the outer boroughs - where I wouldn't want to ride alone at 3 am. But you're fine anyplace a tourist would go.
Just be aware that late at night - midnight to 6 am or so - the trains run less often - perhaps every 15 minutes - versus every 4/5 minutes in rush hours.
(I'm a native who has been riding the subway my whole life - alone since I was 12 - and I have never seen a crime. That doesn't mean there might not be a random pickpocket or groper - but violent crime is minute versus the number of people riding.)
Just be aware that late at night - midnight to 6 am or so - the trains run less often - perhaps every 15 minutes - versus every 4/5 minutes in rush hours.
(I'm a native who has been riding the subway my whole life - alone since I was 12 - and I have never seen a crime. That doesn't mean there might not be a random pickpocket or groper - but violent crime is minute versus the number of people riding.)
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Here is something I posted a few months back:
Rules of the Subway
The NYC subway system is an amalgam of lines that were once privately owned and were purchased by the government to unite them. This explains why there is duplication in many areas and no trains in other areas. The line that King Kong destroyed is now underground.
With few exceptions the subways in Manhattan run north/south. Almost all, except those that go to the Bronx, will eventually make a turn into Brooklyn or Queens. The two Manhattan trains that only run east/west are the shuttle from Times Square to Grand Central and the L train that runs along 14th street.
There are green and red globes at the entrance to many stations. Green supposedly means open all the time and red means sometimes. Sometimes vary form station to station. Some have mechanical card readers without token booths others are just closed. But red is usually open during week day business hours. Got that.
Transfers occur at many stations. Some transfers are across the platform, others on another level, while others are an interminable walk through corridors which vary from extremely crowded to ill light and very lonely. The main transfers are usually madhouses at all times. Transfers do not occur at all stations.
The subway runs all day, all night every day including Christmas, Yom Kippur, and Ramadan. If you are lucky there will be more trains during rush hour.
Do not expect to understand any announcement through the PA system. Do not expect an explanation regarding delays. And if they do make an announcement, do not necessarily believe them.
Many newer trains have peppy computer voices announcing the stations. Very un-NY. There are usually correct. On the newer trains there is also an electronic linear map showing the line and stops. That is usually right. There are, however, large lit arrows that show the general direction and they are often pointing in the opposite direction.
If you miss your stop, you will not die, even if you wind in Brooklyn, Queens, or the Bronx. Well maybe the Bronx. Just get off at the next stop but there is the rub. Not every stop has a corridor which connects trains in both directions so you may have to exit, go upstairs, cross the street, descend again and pay another fare. Although there are major exceptions, this is often true on the local lines where are there are no transfers.
There are basically two types of trains, expresses and locals. Expresses stop at designated stops while locals stop at every station. There are times when the local is actually faster. When there is a problem, locals can run on the express tracks and vice versa. Sometimes during extenuating circumstances stations will be skipped. If you are lucky an announcement will be made. (See above rule regarding PA announcements.) And during those times you might be standing on a platform watching a train pass you by. If a train blows its whistle as it enters the station, it often means it ain’t stopping.
Many students take the subway to school. Many travel as hordes when school lets out. 99.9% of the kids are just being kids. Do not be afraid. As I get older, I realize how frightening we were as kids to adults.
A serious note: Unfortunately, the subway system is not designed for the disabled. All stations have stairs and the few that have escalators or elevators are unreliable.
MetroCards
Never ask how to use the machines that dispense MetroCards beforehand. Always stand in front of the machine as long as possible so a line can grow behind you. Hint to tourists: If the person has not moved their hands in fifteen minutes, get on another line.
Always crowd the person in front of you at the turnstile. Not every turnstile works and pirouettes can occur.
The turnstile swipe is an art form. Sometimes the first swipe will not work. (Although them seem to be working better later.) And do not be surprised that after multiple swipes, if you are charged for two trips.
There is a lag time of 18 minutes on an unlimited card between uses for consecutive train uses.
Getting Directions
New Yorkers who barely know their name know the subway lines in Manhattan but few know the subway in the boroughs, other than the one where they live. Always ask for directions, NY’ers are always proud to display their subway knowledge. Conversely, NY’ers only know the bus lines they use and have no clue where the other buses go.
The MTA is installing directional plaques in the ground just outside of some stations.
Above each platform are signs that identify the trains which will stop at the station and the general direction. Do not be alarmed that the signs say, Brooklyn Queens, or the Bronx, it is the general direction. Downtown means south and uptown means, well you get the drift.
There are no subway maps above ground. So you will have to descend to into a stop to read one.
Riding the Rails
Entering the train can be a bit of free for all. The victory goes to the swift. If you dawdle people will push in front and may say things like “Excuse me Sir/Madam, but may I get ahead of you.” At rush hours, people will push from behind and you can be carried with the tide. If you have children, hold their hands and make plans if you get split up. I do this with adults, who so not know the train if someone should miss their stop. (Not hold their hand but make alternate plans.)
Do not stare at people. This is not a joke. It can be interpreted as impolite or worse.
Do not emulate NY’ers who:
1. Lean on the pole so no one else can hold on. It has been known to hold the pole in a certain way so that the knuckles of one’s hand in the back of the slob.
2. Transport their refrigerator during rush hours. People carry all sorts of objects all the time.
3. Read the New York Times spread open, with their splayed open taking up two seats. (This is a male specialty.)
4. Stand with your bike and take up the room of six people. I will never understand, if you have a bike, why you are taking the train. I would however, like to borrow your helmet sometimes.
5. Don’t shower and wear muscle shirts.
You can do just about anything in NYC but do not block a subway car door. When the train stops, the doors open, and you are blocking them there are many choices: make yourself small, get off the train so there is room and then get back on, move to the center, or be prepared to be bounced and cursed. It is prime spot to stand, own it with pride.
Do not say to your fellow passenger, this is like being in a sardine can. We have probably heard that before.
There will be people selling candy, others God. It is your choice to engage them in conversation.
Getting off
It as important to know the stop before as it is to know the stop you need. The stop before warn all your friends and relatives. Know which side the doors will open. Most doors on an express open on the right. On the local trains, the doors usually open on the right on local stops and on the left on express stops. This is a rule of thumb.
Another rule of thumb regards, people not moving out of the way. Say, “excuse me,” loudly. If they do not move after the second “Excuse me” you have my permission to push your way through the crowd.
Rules of the Subway
The NYC subway system is an amalgam of lines that were once privately owned and were purchased by the government to unite them. This explains why there is duplication in many areas and no trains in other areas. The line that King Kong destroyed is now underground.
With few exceptions the subways in Manhattan run north/south. Almost all, except those that go to the Bronx, will eventually make a turn into Brooklyn or Queens. The two Manhattan trains that only run east/west are the shuttle from Times Square to Grand Central and the L train that runs along 14th street.
There are green and red globes at the entrance to many stations. Green supposedly means open all the time and red means sometimes. Sometimes vary form station to station. Some have mechanical card readers without token booths others are just closed. But red is usually open during week day business hours. Got that.
Transfers occur at many stations. Some transfers are across the platform, others on another level, while others are an interminable walk through corridors which vary from extremely crowded to ill light and very lonely. The main transfers are usually madhouses at all times. Transfers do not occur at all stations.
The subway runs all day, all night every day including Christmas, Yom Kippur, and Ramadan. If you are lucky there will be more trains during rush hour.
Do not expect to understand any announcement through the PA system. Do not expect an explanation regarding delays. And if they do make an announcement, do not necessarily believe them.
Many newer trains have peppy computer voices announcing the stations. Very un-NY. There are usually correct. On the newer trains there is also an electronic linear map showing the line and stops. That is usually right. There are, however, large lit arrows that show the general direction and they are often pointing in the opposite direction.
If you miss your stop, you will not die, even if you wind in Brooklyn, Queens, or the Bronx. Well maybe the Bronx. Just get off at the next stop but there is the rub. Not every stop has a corridor which connects trains in both directions so you may have to exit, go upstairs, cross the street, descend again and pay another fare. Although there are major exceptions, this is often true on the local lines where are there are no transfers.
There are basically two types of trains, expresses and locals. Expresses stop at designated stops while locals stop at every station. There are times when the local is actually faster. When there is a problem, locals can run on the express tracks and vice versa. Sometimes during extenuating circumstances stations will be skipped. If you are lucky an announcement will be made. (See above rule regarding PA announcements.) And during those times you might be standing on a platform watching a train pass you by. If a train blows its whistle as it enters the station, it often means it ain’t stopping.
Many students take the subway to school. Many travel as hordes when school lets out. 99.9% of the kids are just being kids. Do not be afraid. As I get older, I realize how frightening we were as kids to adults.
A serious note: Unfortunately, the subway system is not designed for the disabled. All stations have stairs and the few that have escalators or elevators are unreliable.
MetroCards
Never ask how to use the machines that dispense MetroCards beforehand. Always stand in front of the machine as long as possible so a line can grow behind you. Hint to tourists: If the person has not moved their hands in fifteen minutes, get on another line.
Always crowd the person in front of you at the turnstile. Not every turnstile works and pirouettes can occur.
The turnstile swipe is an art form. Sometimes the first swipe will not work. (Although them seem to be working better later.) And do not be surprised that after multiple swipes, if you are charged for two trips.
There is a lag time of 18 minutes on an unlimited card between uses for consecutive train uses.
Getting Directions
New Yorkers who barely know their name know the subway lines in Manhattan but few know the subway in the boroughs, other than the one where they live. Always ask for directions, NY’ers are always proud to display their subway knowledge. Conversely, NY’ers only know the bus lines they use and have no clue where the other buses go.
The MTA is installing directional plaques in the ground just outside of some stations.
Above each platform are signs that identify the trains which will stop at the station and the general direction. Do not be alarmed that the signs say, Brooklyn Queens, or the Bronx, it is the general direction. Downtown means south and uptown means, well you get the drift.
There are no subway maps above ground. So you will have to descend to into a stop to read one.
Riding the Rails
Entering the train can be a bit of free for all. The victory goes to the swift. If you dawdle people will push in front and may say things like “Excuse me Sir/Madam, but may I get ahead of you.” At rush hours, people will push from behind and you can be carried with the tide. If you have children, hold their hands and make plans if you get split up. I do this with adults, who so not know the train if someone should miss their stop. (Not hold their hand but make alternate plans.)
Do not stare at people. This is not a joke. It can be interpreted as impolite or worse.
Do not emulate NY’ers who:
1. Lean on the pole so no one else can hold on. It has been known to hold the pole in a certain way so that the knuckles of one’s hand in the back of the slob.
2. Transport their refrigerator during rush hours. People carry all sorts of objects all the time.
3. Read the New York Times spread open, with their splayed open taking up two seats. (This is a male specialty.)
4. Stand with your bike and take up the room of six people. I will never understand, if you have a bike, why you are taking the train. I would however, like to borrow your helmet sometimes.
5. Don’t shower and wear muscle shirts.
You can do just about anything in NYC but do not block a subway car door. When the train stops, the doors open, and you are blocking them there are many choices: make yourself small, get off the train so there is room and then get back on, move to the center, or be prepared to be bounced and cursed. It is prime spot to stand, own it with pride.
Do not say to your fellow passenger, this is like being in a sardine can. We have probably heard that before.
There will be people selling candy, others God. It is your choice to engage them in conversation.
Getting off
It as important to know the stop before as it is to know the stop you need. The stop before warn all your friends and relatives. Know which side the doors will open. Most doors on an express open on the right. On the local trains, the doors usually open on the right on local stops and on the left on express stops. This is a rule of thumb.
Another rule of thumb regards, people not moving out of the way. Say, “excuse me,” loudly. If they do not move after the second “Excuse me” you have my permission to push your way through the crowd.
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My teenage DD and I always use the subway when in NYC. If you get lost or have a question don’t hesitate to ask someone. Most of the time we have seen guards standing around and they have always been very helpful. Get a good subway map it can be your friend. The subway is great you can get to where you are going so fast and easy. The only time we have used a cab in NYC is when we are going to and from the airport. Have a wonderful trip.
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My son has used the subway to go to school every day since he was 6. He has used it every day by himself since he was 12. And he is not alone - the subway is the major mode of transportation for over 5 million people every day . The NYC subway is safe, fast and convenient. . NYers are happy to help you with directions - follow the above advice and you'll be fine.

