How much vacation time?
Dec 4th, 2002, 12:18 PM
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The question is how much VACATION time do you get, not SICK time. No one cares how much sick time you get unless you're lying to the boss and calling in sick but actually use that day as vacation. Just how many people do that? And no one cares about the Teachers, we only want them to stop whining.... please!
Dec 4th, 2002, 12:35 PM
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I have to take issue with Teachers comments. It is not true that low paid teachers educate all those making big bucks in america. The fact is if you are a good teacher, not a typical union teacher (wanting less work and more money) you will be compensated accordingly or recruited to a private school where they do pay. It is the private schools that are producing/educating the financially elite.
Dec 4th, 2002, 12:49 PM
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Whatever ([email protected]) if you have never known a teacher to bring home 3-4 hours of work a night then you have only known shit teachers or they work in a classromm safe enough to use as an office after hours. That is just the truth!
Again another person who has no idea and so they rant!!!
Again another person who has no idea and so they rant!!!
Dec 4th, 2002, 12:54 PM
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Whatever ([email protected]) fact is most teachers need to take summer jobs as salaries are not enough to carry them into the summer.
YOUR UNCLE NO DOUBT WAS A TEACHER AT A TIME WHEN ANY MAN IN THE FIELD GOT TRACKED INTO A PRINICPALS POSITION. YOUR RIGHT NOT SO BAD NOT THE SAME OPPORTUNITY FOR WOMEN TODAY!!! WE ARE ALL ON MORE LEVEL PLAYING GROUND AND EVERYONE CAN NOT LUCK INTO THE A PRINCIPAL'S POSITION. YOUR UNCLE PROBABLY WAS UNCHALLENGED AS A MALE TEACHER.
GOT ANYTHING ELSE THAT IS FUELING YOUR IGNORANCE!!!
YOUR UNCLE NO DOUBT WAS A TEACHER AT A TIME WHEN ANY MAN IN THE FIELD GOT TRACKED INTO A PRINICPALS POSITION. YOUR RIGHT NOT SO BAD NOT THE SAME OPPORTUNITY FOR WOMEN TODAY!!! WE ARE ALL ON MORE LEVEL PLAYING GROUND AND EVERYONE CAN NOT LUCK INTO THE A PRINCIPAL'S POSITION. YOUR UNCLE PROBABLY WAS UNCHALLENGED AS A MALE TEACHER.
GOT ANYTHING ELSE THAT IS FUELING YOUR IGNORANCE!!!
Dec 4th, 2002, 12:57 PM
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I am surprised that nobody on this post gets PTO and not vacation/sick time. At the last few companies I've worked you get 4 weeks of PTO annually, accrued monthly, and you use it for sick time, personal days and vacation. For those of us who don't get sick, it's great!
Dec 4th, 2002, 01:02 PM
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Gee I get more than $78 a week, da dum dump!!! (that was a drum roll)
I get a measly two weeks vacation a year. Not good long term but I am happy to be employed at the moment. I always like to keep perspective about these things. If I were in a position that I did not see myself moving out of I would be upset but I think we often find ourselves in places we need to be for just a few years. Then it is up and off to Africa or where ever on that fab vacation our new boss is giving us quarterly!!! BA DA DUMP! Even bigger drum roll!
I get a measly two weeks vacation a year. Not good long term but I am happy to be employed at the moment. I always like to keep perspective about these things. If I were in a position that I did not see myself moving out of I would be upset but I think we often find ourselves in places we need to be for just a few years. Then it is up and off to Africa or where ever on that fab vacation our new boss is giving us quarterly!!! BA DA DUMP! Even bigger drum roll!
Dec 4th, 2002, 01:09 PM
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Greedy people, How much do you make and how long did it take you to get where you are at in terms os salary? If teaching pays so well, why don't you become a teacher?
zzz is right on. Most teacher do bring home at least 3-4 hours of work each night. I know that my Mom has since she started teaching ober 30 yrs. ago. Also, teachers have minimal preparation time during the school day. Most schools only allow one period off per day, which usually amounts to 45 or 50 minutes. That is not nearly enough time to get all of your paperwork done. You can end up spending half of that time just talking with a book company on the telephone or helping a student after class.
For those of you that say teachers should not complain about making $70,000 per year. The only teachers that make that kind of money have been working for over 20 yrs. How many of you non-teachers out there had to work 20 yrs before making $70,000/yr. No one, unless you work at McDonalds. A garbage collector doesn't even have to work 20 yrs before making $70,000/yr. I know because one of my cousins works for a scavenger company. I think that teaching is a more important and honrable profession than picking up garbage. Also, it takes 5 yrs of college to become a teacher. You don't even need a high school degree to pick up trash. Also, starting teacher make between $35-40K per year, even in expensive places like California and New York. I'd like to see how all you non-reachers out there would like to live on that kind of salary after 5 yrs. of college and see if you still think that it is alot of money.
zzz is right on. Most teacher do bring home at least 3-4 hours of work each night. I know that my Mom has since she started teaching ober 30 yrs. ago. Also, teachers have minimal preparation time during the school day. Most schools only allow one period off per day, which usually amounts to 45 or 50 minutes. That is not nearly enough time to get all of your paperwork done. You can end up spending half of that time just talking with a book company on the telephone or helping a student after class.
For those of you that say teachers should not complain about making $70,000 per year. The only teachers that make that kind of money have been working for over 20 yrs. How many of you non-teachers out there had to work 20 yrs before making $70,000/yr. No one, unless you work at McDonalds. A garbage collector doesn't even have to work 20 yrs before making $70,000/yr. I know because one of my cousins works for a scavenger company. I think that teaching is a more important and honrable profession than picking up garbage. Also, it takes 5 yrs of college to become a teacher. You don't even need a high school degree to pick up trash. Also, starting teacher make between $35-40K per year, even in expensive places like California and New York. I'd like to see how all you non-reachers out there would like to live on that kind of salary after 5 yrs. of college and see if you still think that it is alot of money.
Dec 4th, 2002, 01:12 PM
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zzzzzz
based on your bitterness and all your complaining you must be a teacher!! boo hoo, poor you life's not fair. If you are so much smarter than everyone, you always have the option of finding a job that pays you what you are worth, which, is apparently quite alot. As for writing style, I am quickly typing posts, not writing a novel, my editor was on lunch, and frankly I don't really give a shite (that's Scottish for shit, not spelled wrong), what some loser such as yourself finds wrong with the style. When you GET PUBLISHED AS YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE NOT BASED ON YOUR MONEY COMPLAINTS, THEN YOU CAN JUDGE WRITING STYLES. UNTIL THEN STICK WITH THE 4TH GRADE BOOK REPORTS AND YOUR 4TH RATE SALARY. Enjoy your poor life and your terribly difficult career choice. Save the whining for someone who cares.
based on your bitterness and all your complaining you must be a teacher!! boo hoo, poor you life's not fair. If you are so much smarter than everyone, you always have the option of finding a job that pays you what you are worth, which, is apparently quite alot. As for writing style, I am quickly typing posts, not writing a novel, my editor was on lunch, and frankly I don't really give a shite (that's Scottish for shit, not spelled wrong), what some loser such as yourself finds wrong with the style. When you GET PUBLISHED AS YOU OBVIOUSLY HAVE NOT BASED ON YOUR MONEY COMPLAINTS, THEN YOU CAN JUDGE WRITING STYLES. UNTIL THEN STICK WITH THE 4TH GRADE BOOK REPORTS AND YOUR 4TH RATE SALARY. Enjoy your poor life and your terribly difficult career choice. Save the whining for someone who cares.
Dec 4th, 2002, 01:26 PM
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I highly doubt that those of us who choose not to be teachers make that decision just about the money. Personally, I couldn't handle that many kids all day. And teaching has never interested me. Of course everyone has different talents, abilities and interests.
Dec 4th, 2002, 01:27 PM
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First of all I am published but I really never intended to get into that.
Fair enough, we all write poorly when we are mad. But you had to know you were walking into that kind of an attack with your own remarks. I left teaching 6 years ago. I now make 6 times what I made my last year teaching and I do far far less as is demonstrated by my presence on this thread. I have no secondary education for what I do now but I had a master degree in teaching. A master's degree for a job that after 3 years paid $28,000. a year in a major city.
That is it, I am glad I got your dander up and got you thinking.
Fair enough, we all write poorly when we are mad. But you had to know you were walking into that kind of an attack with your own remarks. I left teaching 6 years ago. I now make 6 times what I made my last year teaching and I do far far less as is demonstrated by my presence on this thread. I have no secondary education for what I do now but I had a master degree in teaching. A master's degree for a job that after 3 years paid $28,000. a year in a major city.
That is it, I am glad I got your dander up and got you thinking.
Dec 4th, 2002, 01:40 PM
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PS the money is not from the published work.
I just don't understand how people become so adamant about something that they know nothing about. I just don't do that. What is wrong with trying to understand why someone is complaining? I don’t get it. I guess that is just the educator in me, I like understanding.
I just don't understand how people become so adamant about something that they know nothing about. I just don't do that. What is wrong with trying to understand why someone is complaining? I don’t get it. I guess that is just the educator in me, I like understanding.
Dec 4th, 2002, 02:25 PM
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I get only 3 weeks a year and I've been at my company over 10 years -- that's the max, although the company is generous in salary. I work for a for-profit small consulting firm but not rich clients.
As for teachers, I am another one who is sick to death of them whining about how poorly paid and overworked they are. I know lots of teachers in my area who make over 60K a year, that is the average salary for those with 20 yrs experience. And yes, I know many people who don't earn that kind of money until they have 20 yrs experience, which is about age 45, and those folks don't get 2-3 months of vacation a year. And lots of people straight out of college without technical degrees (such as enginnering or computers) don't make any more than beginning teachers do, which is close to $30K where I live (and that's for 9 months work).
I had a boyfriend once who was a high school teacher and he complained about all his work grading papers, etc, and whined about how hard he worked compared to other folks, blah blah but the problem was that he had never had a job other than teaching and was totally clueless about how much most people in professional positions have to work. Most people I know in professional positions do not work 9-5 and do plenty of reading and extra work at home or on weekends. Once I said I didn't usually leave work until about 7 pm and he was completely surprised, he said he always figured I left about 5 (he got off work about 3-4).
Both my parents were teachers, so believe me I know how much they work. They were both good teachers, also, and only did a few extra hours of work outside school a week and did not work in the summer. They mostly did their grading, talking to students, etc, in their free time at school (and still got off work about 4 pm). Lesson planning wasn't that much trouble after a few years because they just used the same plans more or less. Any teachers who chooses to do extra jobs is doing that because they want more money, not because they have to.
I did not become a teacher because the profession didn't interest me, and I don't like kids that much, but it certainly was not because of the pay and benefits and amount of work.
There are lots of professions in our society that are grossly underpaid and overworked, but teachers aren't one of them. Social workers are much more, for example. Most teachers don't have a clue as to what the work load is for other professions.
As for teachers, I am another one who is sick to death of them whining about how poorly paid and overworked they are. I know lots of teachers in my area who make over 60K a year, that is the average salary for those with 20 yrs experience. And yes, I know many people who don't earn that kind of money until they have 20 yrs experience, which is about age 45, and those folks don't get 2-3 months of vacation a year. And lots of people straight out of college without technical degrees (such as enginnering or computers) don't make any more than beginning teachers do, which is close to $30K where I live (and that's for 9 months work).
I had a boyfriend once who was a high school teacher and he complained about all his work grading papers, etc, and whined about how hard he worked compared to other folks, blah blah but the problem was that he had never had a job other than teaching and was totally clueless about how much most people in professional positions have to work. Most people I know in professional positions do not work 9-5 and do plenty of reading and extra work at home or on weekends. Once I said I didn't usually leave work until about 7 pm and he was completely surprised, he said he always figured I left about 5 (he got off work about 3-4).
Both my parents were teachers, so believe me I know how much they work. They were both good teachers, also, and only did a few extra hours of work outside school a week and did not work in the summer. They mostly did their grading, talking to students, etc, in their free time at school (and still got off work about 4 pm). Lesson planning wasn't that much trouble after a few years because they just used the same plans more or less. Any teachers who chooses to do extra jobs is doing that because they want more money, not because they have to.
I did not become a teacher because the profession didn't interest me, and I don't like kids that much, but it certainly was not because of the pay and benefits and amount of work.
There are lots of professions in our society that are grossly underpaid and overworked, but teachers aren't one of them. Social workers are much more, for example. Most teachers don't have a clue as to what the work load is for other professions.
Dec 4th, 2002, 02:25 PM
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Teachers: I hope you're not one, b/c it's obvious you didn't read what I wrote, but used it as a jumping off point for your silly rant. If you RE-READ my post, I said it's a shame that some people complain about making a decent amount of money - regardless of what they do. I said nothing about the teaching profession paying well. It's funny when stupid people make things up to rant about.
Dec 4th, 2002, 03:03 PM
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Andrea, You are either not understanding what they did or your parents were poor teachers. Award winning teachers in my school always worked well into the evening. I did the same but I also am no longer a teacher.
Lesson plans were never an issue for your parents if they were not changing anything. Plenty of teachers out there that save their lesson plans and use them the following year not taking into account the different learning styles of the new students. I worked in the field, what you are talking about Andrea is not the reality for a conscientious teachers.
On a side note, no one is mentioning how much of a teachers salary is invested in the classroom. I started at $25,000., was asked by the NYC school district to loan the board of ed $500. out of my pay that year. I think it was paid back to me 5 years later. I also invested another $600 in my classroom (art supplies books) that year and that is because I was cheap. I remember traveling that summer staying in a youth hostel and being told that veteran teachers, good teachers spend an average of $2000. a year on their class. Again these are passionate teachers constantly changing and inovating.
My principal told me that it was my responsibility to pay for Xerox homework handouts. These were handouts I was required to give, it was not like I had control over what I assigned for homework. It is very political and therefore necessary for a principal to demonstrate to parents in communities that don’t understand what is successful in education to pile on the homework. I was handed workbooks I was told to reproduce and serve up as homework to 35 students. We did not have a copier for teachers. Copying costs at that time came to $35 a week of a $25,000 dollar salary. I was told to claim it on my taxes. This was less than a decade ago.
My last semester teaching I received books to teach children to read in April!!! I had to provide everything else. Half my class was still reading in May.
Lesson plans were never an issue for your parents if they were not changing anything. Plenty of teachers out there that save their lesson plans and use them the following year not taking into account the different learning styles of the new students. I worked in the field, what you are talking about Andrea is not the reality for a conscientious teachers.
On a side note, no one is mentioning how much of a teachers salary is invested in the classroom. I started at $25,000., was asked by the NYC school district to loan the board of ed $500. out of my pay that year. I think it was paid back to me 5 years later. I also invested another $600 in my classroom (art supplies books) that year and that is because I was cheap. I remember traveling that summer staying in a youth hostel and being told that veteran teachers, good teachers spend an average of $2000. a year on their class. Again these are passionate teachers constantly changing and inovating.
My principal told me that it was my responsibility to pay for Xerox homework handouts. These were handouts I was required to give, it was not like I had control over what I assigned for homework. It is very political and therefore necessary for a principal to demonstrate to parents in communities that don’t understand what is successful in education to pile on the homework. I was handed workbooks I was told to reproduce and serve up as homework to 35 students. We did not have a copier for teachers. Copying costs at that time came to $35 a week of a $25,000 dollar salary. I was told to claim it on my taxes. This was less than a decade ago.
My last semester teaching I received books to teach children to read in April!!! I had to provide everything else. Half my class was still reading in May.
