Family suites in Manhattan NYC in $250 price range? Impossible?
Jul 20th, 2012, 02:43 PM
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Giulia you can check details on nyc.gov building section.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/dob/html/development/find.shtml
For the B&B you're considering I saw a current "stop work order" and other violations. I don't know exactly what those mean, but that would sure make me wonder
It also lists the certificate of occupancy for the building as "class A" I believe that "Class B" is the one that might permit short term rentals.
http://www.nyc.gov/html/dob/html/development/find.shtml
For the B&B you're considering I saw a current "stop work order" and other violations. I don't know exactly what those mean, but that would sure make me wonder
It also lists the certificate of occupancy for the building as "class A" I believe that "Class B" is the one that might permit short term rentals.
Jul 20th, 2012, 03:27 PM
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1st, short term rentals in NYC are illegal. unless it is true B and B or hotel. DO people get caught? Rarely.
2nd you are going tho a lot of trouble and accepting a place that would put up SO many red flags for me that I can't imagine you are considering it with a young child. A shared bathroom with someone who has an office next door ? 3rd floor walkup? Active stop work order and illegal conversion ? Wow.
2nd you are going tho a lot of trouble and accepting a place that would put up SO many red flags for me that I can't imagine you are considering it with a young child. A shared bathroom with someone who has an office next door ? 3rd floor walkup? Active stop work order and illegal conversion ? Wow.
Jul 20th, 2012, 04:42 PM
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Like nytraveler said, the Eastgate Towers. The hotel is converted from condos and have a small kitchen, separate living room and bedroom. I have no idea of the price for October, but we paid $240/night in February. Good location, too.
Jul 20th, 2012, 05:00 PM
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There is no place in NYC you are getting a balcony for that price - or anywhere near. Hotels don;t have balconies - and while a converted (legally) apartment night - it would be at the luxury end of the spectrum - probably 5 times what you want to pay.
You are looking for a lot of space in heading into high season for a very limited budget. I think you need to find and reserve something you can live with now - and then keep looking for something better.
And sorry - in Oct the one-bedroom suite in the Eastgate is $339 plus tax per night - and that is payable in advance and non-refundable.
I'm afraid you're either going to have to significantly increase your budget - or look at 2 connecting/adjacent bedrooms at a much more modest hotel.
You are looking for a lot of space in heading into high season for a very limited budget. I think you need to find and reserve something you can live with now - and then keep looking for something better.
And sorry - in Oct the one-bedroom suite in the Eastgate is $339 plus tax per night - and that is payable in advance and non-refundable.
I'm afraid you're either going to have to significantly increase your budget - or look at 2 connecting/adjacent bedrooms at a much more modest hotel.
Jul 20th, 2012, 05:15 PM
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Bowsprit on Jul 20, 12 at 7:08pm:
<That B&B is operating illegally.
eks should stop pushing his rental, too.>
Exactly what rental am I supposedly "pushing?"
Who is "he?"
Do you think that I am "pushing" my own home?
Is someone "pushing" a hotel or restaurant because they provide a link?
And here I thought we were all adults. capable of making up our own minds about whether or not to trust a recommendation, a review, a report, or an opinion.
<That B&B is operating illegally.
eks should stop pushing his rental, too.>
Exactly what rental am I supposedly "pushing?"
Who is "he?"
Do you think that I am "pushing" my own home?
Is someone "pushing" a hotel or restaurant because they provide a link?
And here I thought we were all adults. capable of making up our own minds about whether or not to trust a recommendation, a review, a report, or an opinion.
Jul 20th, 2012, 05:48 PM
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NY traveler, thanks, good advice to book something now and keep looking. I'm surprised about the info you found on the b and b, I got that off of the website Myztery suggested 
So just curious, how is the average consumer/tourist know about this law if say they aren't on Fodors or a similar site? I think about most of my friends who don't travel often, I know they don't utilize sites like this, how would they know? It's amazing that this b&b which looks unassuming enough is breaking the law. How would people know? I have several friends who are going to NYC for the first time this fall, some booked apartments through airbnb because they couldn't afford a hotel in the city, now I know what they were talking about. I'm sure they don't know about the law, I will have to tell them so they are aware.
I did find a terrace apartment, illegal I will just assume, for $270 a night, it's large, 650sq ft and it's a 3rd floor walk up, lots of reviews, owner has a strong web presence, etc. However, I think we will maybe up the budget to $300 and keep looking for a hotel and move further out of the main tourist zones. I like the idea of a hotel, just need to keep searching.
I appreciate everyone's advice. It was definitely easier when we were just the two of us and could take any single room with no care to location or size. It's hard to find a place in budget with a separate room but we always manage to find one, it's just a lot of work! thankfully there are so many great travelers here to help.
So just curious, how is the average consumer/tourist know about this law if say they aren't on Fodors or a similar site? I think about most of my friends who don't travel often, I know they don't utilize sites like this, how would they know? It's amazing that this b&b which looks unassuming enough is breaking the law. How would people know? I have several friends who are going to NYC for the first time this fall, some booked apartments through airbnb because they couldn't afford a hotel in the city, now I know what they were talking about. I'm sure they don't know about the law, I will have to tell them so they are aware. I did find a terrace apartment, illegal I will just assume, for $270 a night, it's large, 650sq ft and it's a 3rd floor walk up, lots of reviews, owner has a strong web presence, etc. However, I think we will maybe up the budget to $300 and keep looking for a hotel and move further out of the main tourist zones. I like the idea of a hotel, just need to keep searching.
I appreciate everyone's advice. It was definitely easier when we were just the two of us and could take any single room with no care to location or size. It's hard to find a place in budget with a separate room but we always manage to find one, it's just a lot of work! thankfully there are so many great travelers here to help.
Jul 20th, 2012, 06:16 PM
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I've posted a link on here every time I found a great apartment (and stayed there) because I know how scary it is to pick a place that no one has ever seen. I think readers actually appreciate it. And yes, it is up to the individual to decide if they trust the referral or not. Sorry my post has rabbit trailed into something ugly
Jul 20th, 2012, 06:21 PM
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This is where I stayed. Ive stayed there 3 times. The one bedroom with a kitchen is exactly what you need. The owner Katie is easy to work with.
http://www.vrbo.com/145694
http://www.vrbo.com/145694
Jul 20th, 2012, 06:39 PM
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Austin that place looks great and I see that they specify owner occupied. Does that mean that they live in the building? Looks perfect, I will give her a shout. Thank you!
I do see this about children though: Children Welcome : There is requirement to meet some condition for the age under 10, Please inform the kids 's age & gender when you send the inquiry.
I wonder what that means????
I do see this about children though: Children Welcome : There is requirement to meet some condition for the age under 10, Please inform the kids 's age & gender when you send the inquiry.
I wonder what that means????
Jul 20th, 2012, 06:46 PM
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Well, the time I stayed in the studio, Katie had some of her family in the apartment above me, and the child kept running back and forth about 100 times! I finally called her and it immediately stopped. She is kid friendly but probably just wants to have a conversation if u have kids
Katie lives on the top floor. She owns the building I believe. Call her and see what happens.
Katie lives on the top floor. She owns the building I believe. Call her and see what happens.
Jul 20th, 2012, 10:21 PM
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Glad to hear about the location being nice, I'm not familiar with Chelsea at all. Hmmm...I'll definitely ask her about that, I'd hate to be walking on eggshells the entire time, toddlers do run, run, run!
Jul 21st, 2012, 01:07 AM
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Owner occupied space does NOT make that apartment a legally viable space.
Short term rentals for under 30 days are illegally rented. This is breaking a law. To participate in this practice is to break the law. VRBO is filled with scams. If you're scammed or suffer a loss you will not have any recourse.
I'm not going to bother to tell you the class of this building but you should find out for yourself. Go to the Dept of Buildings website or CALL the Dept of Buildings (D.O.B.) in New York City (use some of the money you're planning on saving by staying in this place) and find out for yourself. Give them the address, the owner's name, etc. Full disclosure. Your confidence in the legality of this rental should be enough to let you pursue this avenue.
Report back.
Short term rentals for under 30 days are illegally rented. This is breaking a law. To participate in this practice is to break the law. VRBO is filled with scams. If you're scammed or suffer a loss you will not have any recourse.
I'm not going to bother to tell you the class of this building but you should find out for yourself. Go to the Dept of Buildings website or CALL the Dept of Buildings (D.O.B.) in New York City (use some of the money you're planning on saving by staying in this place) and find out for yourself. Give them the address, the owner's name, etc. Full disclosure. Your confidence in the legality of this rental should be enough to let you pursue this avenue.
Report back.
Jul 21st, 2012, 01:46 AM
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Please inform the kids 's age & gender when you send the inquiry.
I wonder what that means????
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Age and GENDER??? Why Gender? Maybe she doesn't want anyone bringing their angst ridden 15 year old son into her Private Space. Hmmm.
I wonder what that means????
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Age and GENDER??? Why Gender? Maybe she doesn't want anyone bringing their angst ridden 15 year old son into her Private Space. Hmmm.
Jul 21st, 2012, 02:52 AM
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Bowspirit.. Good to know the self-appointed housing police are out at all hours of the day and night! Must be difficult to run those campaigns in New York, Napa, New Orleans, and....where else is it that you have badgered us on the same subject in the last few weeks?
Did it ever occur to you that the OP is just one of legions who may not care if the rental is legal or not?
What is it that you fear will happen if the OP rents that Chelsea flat? Will they be woken in the dark of night and hauled off to The Tombs? Ever heard of a renter getting arrested for renting an "illegal" flat?
I hate to tell you but there is a good chance that you can turn up some kind of violation in the records of any large residential building in NYC. I'd start by checking the records of buildings in which your children and friends have apartments. You may be in for a nasty little shock.
But more important: Have you begun your campaign against the NYTimes yet? I'd start waving those placards!
To refresh your memory and assist in your cause, here are some links to articles they've run recently on the subject:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/re...ref=realestate
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/03/re...apartment.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/08/ny...ref=realestate
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/28/ny...-b-and-bs.html
And here is another of your harangues on the subject:
http://www.fodors.com/community/unit...-few-leads.cfm
Post on threads where you have something to contribute. Not to badger other adults who can make up their mind without your incessant hectoring.
From the article linked above, which ran in the New York Times:
"The new law made it illegal to rent out apartments in residential buildings for under 30 days. Owners of an apartment or a town house may still rent out one or two rooms, provided that they live in the home and everyone has access to common areas like the kitchen."
I would be much more concerned about non-existent apartment scams on Craigslist than about renting an "illegal" apartment such as the one linked by Austin above.
Did it ever occur to you that the OP is just one of legions who may not care if the rental is legal or not?
What is it that you fear will happen if the OP rents that Chelsea flat? Will they be woken in the dark of night and hauled off to The Tombs? Ever heard of a renter getting arrested for renting an "illegal" flat?
I hate to tell you but there is a good chance that you can turn up some kind of violation in the records of any large residential building in NYC. I'd start by checking the records of buildings in which your children and friends have apartments. You may be in for a nasty little shock.
But more important: Have you begun your campaign against the NYTimes yet? I'd start waving those placards!
To refresh your memory and assist in your cause, here are some links to articles they've run recently on the subject:
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/04/17/re...ref=realestate
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/03/re...apartment.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/08/ny...ref=realestate
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/04/28/ny...-b-and-bs.html
And here is another of your harangues on the subject:
http://www.fodors.com/community/unit...-few-leads.cfm
Post on threads where you have something to contribute. Not to badger other adults who can make up their mind without your incessant hectoring.
From the article linked above, which ran in the New York Times:
"The new law made it illegal to rent out apartments in residential buildings for under 30 days. Owners of an apartment or a town house may still rent out one or two rooms, provided that they live in the home and everyone has access to common areas like the kitchen."
I would be much more concerned about non-existent apartment scams on Craigslist than about renting an "illegal" apartment such as the one linked by Austin above.
