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Feb 23rd, 2007, 10:02 AM
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OO, I don't know if it was the first tree planted in Dallas, but it was the first in the Park Cities which is within the Dallas city limits and very near downtown Dallas. I'm sure the residents of the older neighborhoods of Dallas had planted trees when they built their homes.
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ABOUT THE TRINITY INTERPRETIVE CENTER
The Great Trinity Forest Master Plan Concept, approved by the (Dallas) City Council in 1997, proposes the development of the Trinity Interpretive Center, equestrian facilities and nature trails, multipurpose trails to be used for recreation and transportation, boat launches, and trailhead improvements. It also outlines the acquisition and preservation of bottomland hardwood forest within the Trinity River Corridor.
The Trinity Interpretive Center is currently planned as a focus for educational and environmental interests in the Trinity River Corridor; eco-tourism activities; aquatic, archaeological and historical exhibits; and theme gardens at the center of the Great Trinity Forest's trail system.
An Equestrian Center is also proposed in the great Trinity forest. Equestrian trails in the forest are also planned. Available to both local equestrian enthusiasts and tourists, the facility can provide opportunities for those interested in entertainment for a few hours or an entire day.
The consultant team should complete their work on the feasibility study and master plan in March 2004. Design work would then begin and construction could begin in early 2006.
Learn more about the Trinity River Corridor Project.
City of Dallas Park and Recreation Department
Project Manager: Don Burns
Project Coordinator
Dallas Park and Recreation Department
214-670-1805
214-670-4286 (fax)
http://www.dallasparks.org/Parks/trinity.aspx
The Great Trinity Forest Master Plan Concept, approved by the (Dallas) City Council in 1997, proposes the development of the Trinity Interpretive Center, equestrian facilities and nature trails, multipurpose trails to be used for recreation and transportation, boat launches, and trailhead improvements. It also outlines the acquisition and preservation of bottomland hardwood forest within the Trinity River Corridor.
The Trinity Interpretive Center is currently planned as a focus for educational and environmental interests in the Trinity River Corridor; eco-tourism activities; aquatic, archaeological and historical exhibits; and theme gardens at the center of the Great Trinity Forest's trail system.
An Equestrian Center is also proposed in the great Trinity forest. Equestrian trails in the forest are also planned. Available to both local equestrian enthusiasts and tourists, the facility can provide opportunities for those interested in entertainment for a few hours or an entire day.
The consultant team should complete their work on the feasibility study and master plan in March 2004. Design work would then begin and construction could begin in early 2006.
Learn more about the Trinity River Corridor Project.
City of Dallas Park and Recreation Department
Project Manager: Don Burns
Project Coordinator
Dallas Park and Recreation Department
214-670-1805
214-670-4286 (fax)
http://www.dallasparks.org/Parks/trinity.aspx
Feb 23rd, 2007, 02:56 PM
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The East Cross Timbers region is a long, narrow belt of land that bisects the Dallas-Fort Worth area, and extends through North Texas, Oklahoma and Kansas. Dallas suburbs such as Grapevine, Southlake, Irving, Arlington, Bedford, etc, fall within this biome.
Here's some info...
Cross Timbers and Prairies Ecological Region
The Cross Timbers and Prairies Ecological Region of Texas encompasses approximately 26,000 square miles in north and central Texas and is the primary ecological region of Northcentral Texas. It is bordered on the east by the Blackland Prairie Ecological Region, the west by the Rolling Plains Ecological Region, and extends south and southwestward to the Llano Basin and Edwards Plateau Ecological Region in central Texas. It can be further subdivided into four ecological or vegetative sub-regions: East Cross Timbers, Fort Worth Prairie, Lampasas Cut Plain, and West Cross Timbers. This broad vegetative region also extends northward into Oklahoma and southern Kansas. (Diggs et. al. 1999).
History
Vegetation on the landscape of the Cross Timbers and Prairies Ecological Region of Northcentral Texas has undergone significant changes over the past 150 years. Early travelers through north Texas coined the name "Cross Timbers" by their repeated crossings of these timbered areas that proved to be a barrier to their travel on the open prairies to the east and west. The location of the East and West Cross Timbers was well known by these early travelers who used them as points of reference for travel. In 1772, De Mezieres (Dyksterhuis 1948) stated that from the Brazos River north "…one sees on the right a forest (East Cross Timbers) that the native appropriately call the Grand ForestæSince it contains some large hills, and because of the great quantity of oaks, walnuts, and other large trees, it is a place difficult to cross…On the farther edge of this range, or forest, one crosses plains having plentiful pasturage...;" and in 1778 "...I crossed the Colorado and Brazos, where there are...an incredible number of Castilian cattle, and herds of mustangs that never leave the banks of these streams. The region from one river to the other, is no less bountifully supplied with buffalo, bear, deer, antelope, wild boars, partridges, and turkeys."
In 1840, Col. Stiff (Dyksterhuis 1948) who approached the Cross Timbers of Texas from the western prairies stated, "In turning to the northeast, something much resembling an irregular cloud is dimly seen. This is a skirt of woodland…called the Cross Timbers (West Cross Timbers)…Whether this was once a beach of a mighty lake or a sea we must leave to the geologist to determine." Kendall (1841) stated that on July 21, 1841, "We are now fairly within the limits of the Cross Timbers…The immense western prairies are bordered, for hundreds of miles on their eastern side, by a narrow belt of forest land, well known to hunters and trappers under the above name." He stated, "The growth of timber is principally small gnarled, post oaks and black jacks, and in many places the traveler will find an almost impenetrable undergrowth of briers and other thorny bushes."
Marcy (1866) stated of the Cross Timbers, "At six different points where I have passed through it (Cross Timbers), I have found it characterized by the same peculiarities; the trees, consisting principally of post-oak and blackjack, standing at such intervals that wagons can with out difficulty pass between them in any direction. The soil is thin, sandy, and poorly watered."
Other historic accounts by early travelers in north and central Texas record a much different Texas landscape in many areas that is difficult for us to imagine today. In 1854, W. B. Parker who traveled with a survey party of the United States Government to locate and survey lands for Indian reservations in north Texas noted, "The timber is a short, stunted oak, not growing in a continuous forest, but interspersed with open glades, plateaus, and vistas of prairie scenery, which give a very picturesque and pleasing variety
quot; On crossing the Upper (Western) Cross Timbers west of present day Gainesville in Cooke County, Parker stated, "Below, stretching as far as the eye could reach, lay the apparently interminable forest of the Cross Timbers, like a barrier, on passing which we were to be shut out from civilization, its joys and cares, for many, many weeks."
In May of 1854, J. Pope's report on the exploration of the region for a route for the Pacific Railroad stated "….but by far the richest and most beautiful district of country I have ever seen, in Texas or elsewhere, is that watered by the Trinity and its tributaries. Occupying east and west a belt of one hundred miles in width, with about equal quantities of prairie and timber, intersected by numerous clear, fresh streams and countless springs, with a gently undulating surface of prairie and oak openings, it presents the most charming views, as of a country in the highest state of cultivation, and you are startled at the summit of each swell of the prairie with a prospect of groves, parks and forests, with intervening plains of luxuriant grass, over which the eye in vain wanders in search of the white village or the stately house, which seem alone wanting to be seen".
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/landwate..._timbers.phtml
Here's some info...
Cross Timbers and Prairies Ecological Region
The Cross Timbers and Prairies Ecological Region of Texas encompasses approximately 26,000 square miles in north and central Texas and is the primary ecological region of Northcentral Texas. It is bordered on the east by the Blackland Prairie Ecological Region, the west by the Rolling Plains Ecological Region, and extends south and southwestward to the Llano Basin and Edwards Plateau Ecological Region in central Texas. It can be further subdivided into four ecological or vegetative sub-regions: East Cross Timbers, Fort Worth Prairie, Lampasas Cut Plain, and West Cross Timbers. This broad vegetative region also extends northward into Oklahoma and southern Kansas. (Diggs et. al. 1999).
History
Vegetation on the landscape of the Cross Timbers and Prairies Ecological Region of Northcentral Texas has undergone significant changes over the past 150 years. Early travelers through north Texas coined the name "Cross Timbers" by their repeated crossings of these timbered areas that proved to be a barrier to their travel on the open prairies to the east and west. The location of the East and West Cross Timbers was well known by these early travelers who used them as points of reference for travel. In 1772, De Mezieres (Dyksterhuis 1948) stated that from the Brazos River north "…one sees on the right a forest (East Cross Timbers) that the native appropriately call the Grand ForestæSince it contains some large hills, and because of the great quantity of oaks, walnuts, and other large trees, it is a place difficult to cross…On the farther edge of this range, or forest, one crosses plains having plentiful pasturage...;" and in 1778 "...I crossed the Colorado and Brazos, where there are...an incredible number of Castilian cattle, and herds of mustangs that never leave the banks of these streams. The region from one river to the other, is no less bountifully supplied with buffalo, bear, deer, antelope, wild boars, partridges, and turkeys."
In 1840, Col. Stiff (Dyksterhuis 1948) who approached the Cross Timbers of Texas from the western prairies stated, "In turning to the northeast, something much resembling an irregular cloud is dimly seen. This is a skirt of woodland…called the Cross Timbers (West Cross Timbers)…Whether this was once a beach of a mighty lake or a sea we must leave to the geologist to determine." Kendall (1841) stated that on July 21, 1841, "We are now fairly within the limits of the Cross Timbers…The immense western prairies are bordered, for hundreds of miles on their eastern side, by a narrow belt of forest land, well known to hunters and trappers under the above name." He stated, "The growth of timber is principally small gnarled, post oaks and black jacks, and in many places the traveler will find an almost impenetrable undergrowth of briers and other thorny bushes."
Marcy (1866) stated of the Cross Timbers, "At six different points where I have passed through it (Cross Timbers), I have found it characterized by the same peculiarities; the trees, consisting principally of post-oak and blackjack, standing at such intervals that wagons can with out difficulty pass between them in any direction. The soil is thin, sandy, and poorly watered."
Other historic accounts by early travelers in north and central Texas record a much different Texas landscape in many areas that is difficult for us to imagine today. In 1854, W. B. Parker who traveled with a survey party of the United States Government to locate and survey lands for Indian reservations in north Texas noted, "The timber is a short, stunted oak, not growing in a continuous forest, but interspersed with open glades, plateaus, and vistas of prairie scenery, which give a very picturesque and pleasing variety
quot; On crossing the Upper (Western) Cross Timbers west of present day Gainesville in Cooke County, Parker stated, "Below, stretching as far as the eye could reach, lay the apparently interminable forest of the Cross Timbers, like a barrier, on passing which we were to be shut out from civilization, its joys and cares, for many, many weeks." In May of 1854, J. Pope's report on the exploration of the region for a route for the Pacific Railroad stated "….but by far the richest and most beautiful district of country I have ever seen, in Texas or elsewhere, is that watered by the Trinity and its tributaries. Occupying east and west a belt of one hundred miles in width, with about equal quantities of prairie and timber, intersected by numerous clear, fresh streams and countless springs, with a gently undulating surface of prairie and oak openings, it presents the most charming views, as of a country in the highest state of cultivation, and you are startled at the summit of each swell of the prairie with a prospect of groves, parks and forests, with intervening plains of luxuriant grass, over which the eye in vain wanders in search of the white village or the stately house, which seem alone wanting to be seen".
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/landwate..._timbers.phtml
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The East Cross Timbers - In Northcentral Texas, the East Cross Timbers vegetative sub-region is a narrow strip of timbered country extending from eastern Cooke County on the Red River south to western Hill County and includes portions of Denton, Tarrant, Johnson, and Hill counties. Early travelers called this region the Monte Grande (Grand Forest) and later the Lower Timbers. Its location was well known and served as a landmark reference for travelers. Today, few large tracts of undisturbed woodlands remain in the East Cross Timbers which is perhaps the most fragmented vegetative region in Texas.
Soils are slightly acidic, sandy or sandy loam, and produce woodlands dominated by post oak, blackjack oak, cedar elm, hickory, osage orange, eastern red cedar, mesquite, bumelia, hawthorn, greenbriar, and a variety of other brush and grass species.
Many woodland areas in this region have been cleared for tame-grass pastures, croplands, horse and cattle ranches, and urban and rural developments, including portions of the cities of Denton, Dallas, Fort Worth, and other expanding inter-city and rural communities. Considerable urban growth and expansion throughout this region will continue to impact wildlife habitat resources in the future. Wildlife management in the East Cross Timbers will prove to be challenging to landowners and will require innovative approaches to management of the habitat resources found there.
Soils are slightly acidic, sandy or sandy loam, and produce woodlands dominated by post oak, blackjack oak, cedar elm, hickory, osage orange, eastern red cedar, mesquite, bumelia, hawthorn, greenbriar, and a variety of other brush and grass species.
Many woodland areas in this region have been cleared for tame-grass pastures, croplands, horse and cattle ranches, and urban and rural developments, including portions of the cities of Denton, Dallas, Fort Worth, and other expanding inter-city and rural communities. Considerable urban growth and expansion throughout this region will continue to impact wildlife habitat resources in the future. Wildlife management in the East Cross Timbers will prove to be challenging to landowners and will require innovative approaches to management of the habitat resources found there.
Feb 23rd, 2007, 03:09 PM
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Rawlins Gilliland: The treasure that is the Great Trinity Forest
And a young AmeriCorps crew has helped make it more accessible
11:43 AM CDT on Monday, June 19, 2006By RAWLINS GILLILAND / Special Contributor
For a quarter century, I have lived at the northeast corner of the Great Trinity Forest. Except that, for the first 18 years, it was "No Trespassing" – privately owned woodlands and flood plains. But after then-Mayor Ron Kirk spearheaded the bond initiative to secure the land as a cohesive forest, this became my spiritual playground.Only two blocks beyond my home, I, with my dog, routinely trounce through dense Audubon habitats on rustic paths through what is Dallas' current and future bragging rights: the largest old-growth urban forest in the nation.
DallasNews.com/Extra
Trinity River Corridor Project
Map
It's a forest that, even now, few in Dallas know exists. Fewer still have any idea where it is. Not surprising – Dallasites regard anything south of Interstate 30 much as 15th-century Spaniards pictured the West Indies ... remote, weird, scary.
But this most beautiful of natural assets is our future. In 15 to 20 years, the center of desirable Dallas living will be defined by proximity to the forest. While many may lack adventuresome natures, they aren't fools. Who wouldn't prefer adjacency to a forest rather than a concrete intersection? Or spontaneous escape from and immediate access to the city intertwined?
I recently had lunch with a CEO who moved here from San Diego and who had asked his real-estate agent to find him "someplace with a view." She informed him that in Dallas "there are no views" and sold him on Addison.
When I mentioned I live on a wooded hill (yes, a hill) where, from my kitchen window, I look across a massive forest, he snapped, "If that exists in Dallas, why does no one here know that?"
Good question. After all, it's not like the forest is a pocket park. It's 2,700 acres, extending two miles south of I-30 past Interstate 20 to Wilmer, and from west of Interstate 45 into southeast Dallas.
This off the official Web site: "The voters of the City of Dallas authorized the issuance of $246 million in General Obligation Bonds on May 2, 1998, earmarking a portion of those funds for the acquisition of land and development of the Great Trinity Forest." So we're talking about a park many of you have paid for.
Its northeastern corner, at Jim Miller and Scyene roads, is my neighborhood, Piedmont. Here, two short streets dead-end at the forest, providing an entry where Renda Drive and Lacywood Lane collide.
West of this 17-acre meadow begins a string of nature trails rivaling Cedar Hill State Park. When Dallas thinks walking, props generally go to the Katy Trail. Although wonderful, the Katy is by any measure an urban social experience on concrete, where "communing with nature" is defined as being outdoors rather than in.
The Trinity Forest offers the exact opposite: deep unaltered nature among 100-year-old walnuts, pecans, oaks and cedars – and the stream, White Rock Creek, that less than three miles north in 1912 made Dallas' great manmade lake.
Getting about in the forest was dicey for a novice until recently. But a young AmeriCorps crew has given Dallas a lasting gift this year, and now the eastern trails in the Trinity Forest have taken a quantum leap.
To read the entire article, go to http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...1.219550a.html
And a young AmeriCorps crew has helped make it more accessible
11:43 AM CDT on Monday, June 19, 2006By RAWLINS GILLILAND / Special Contributor
For a quarter century, I have lived at the northeast corner of the Great Trinity Forest. Except that, for the first 18 years, it was "No Trespassing" – privately owned woodlands and flood plains. But after then-Mayor Ron Kirk spearheaded the bond initiative to secure the land as a cohesive forest, this became my spiritual playground.Only two blocks beyond my home, I, with my dog, routinely trounce through dense Audubon habitats on rustic paths through what is Dallas' current and future bragging rights: the largest old-growth urban forest in the nation.
DallasNews.com/Extra
Trinity River Corridor Project
Map
It's a forest that, even now, few in Dallas know exists. Fewer still have any idea where it is. Not surprising – Dallasites regard anything south of Interstate 30 much as 15th-century Spaniards pictured the West Indies ... remote, weird, scary.
But this most beautiful of natural assets is our future. In 15 to 20 years, the center of desirable Dallas living will be defined by proximity to the forest. While many may lack adventuresome natures, they aren't fools. Who wouldn't prefer adjacency to a forest rather than a concrete intersection? Or spontaneous escape from and immediate access to the city intertwined?
I recently had lunch with a CEO who moved here from San Diego and who had asked his real-estate agent to find him "someplace with a view." She informed him that in Dallas "there are no views" and sold him on Addison.
When I mentioned I live on a wooded hill (yes, a hill) where, from my kitchen window, I look across a massive forest, he snapped, "If that exists in Dallas, why does no one here know that?"
Good question. After all, it's not like the forest is a pocket park. It's 2,700 acres, extending two miles south of I-30 past Interstate 20 to Wilmer, and from west of Interstate 45 into southeast Dallas.
This off the official Web site: "The voters of the City of Dallas authorized the issuance of $246 million in General Obligation Bonds on May 2, 1998, earmarking a portion of those funds for the acquisition of land and development of the Great Trinity Forest." So we're talking about a park many of you have paid for.
Its northeastern corner, at Jim Miller and Scyene roads, is my neighborhood, Piedmont. Here, two short streets dead-end at the forest, providing an entry where Renda Drive and Lacywood Lane collide.
West of this 17-acre meadow begins a string of nature trails rivaling Cedar Hill State Park. When Dallas thinks walking, props generally go to the Katy Trail. Although wonderful, the Katy is by any measure an urban social experience on concrete, where "communing with nature" is defined as being outdoors rather than in.
The Trinity Forest offers the exact opposite: deep unaltered nature among 100-year-old walnuts, pecans, oaks and cedars – and the stream, White Rock Creek, that less than three miles north in 1912 made Dallas' great manmade lake.
Getting about in the forest was dicey for a novice until recently. But a young AmeriCorps crew has given Dallas a lasting gift this year, and now the eastern trails in the Trinity Forest have taken a quantum leap.
To read the entire article, go to http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcont...1.219550a.html
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Here's a little bit of info about the Cedar Hills area of southwestern Dallas county.
City of Cedar Hill
Land Area: 33.6 square miles
Population: 32,093
Population Density: 955 per square mile
General Characteristics: Cedar Hill is nestled cozily in the rugged cedar covered hills of southwest Dallas County, an area known as the Cedar Mountains.
Location: About 20 miles from downtown Dallas at the southwestern city limits
http://www.drelocation.com/Texas/dallas/cedarhill.htm
City of Cedar Hill
Land Area: 33.6 square miles
Population: 32,093
Population Density: 955 per square mile
General Characteristics: Cedar Hill is nestled cozily in the rugged cedar covered hills of southwest Dallas County, an area known as the Cedar Mountains.
Location: About 20 miles from downtown Dallas at the southwestern city limits
http://www.drelocation.com/Texas/dallas/cedarhill.htm
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Cedar Hills State Park, Dallas County
In 1854, John Anderson Penn settled in the rugged cedar-covered hills of southwest Dallas County - an area known as the Cedar Mountains. Today, remnants of the original Penn Farm survive intact in the confines of Cedar Hill State Park. Cedar Hill State Park is a 1,826 acre urban nature preserve located on the 7500 acre Joe Pool Reservoir. The Park's proximity to major metropolitan cities makes it an ideal destination for families who want to enjoy the great outdoors without spending precious time driving. The ruggedness and scenic beauty of the area combined with over 100 miles of shoreline and the water based recreation on Joe Pool is a major attraction. The Metroplex skyline reflects on Joe Pool at night adds to our relaxing wilderness atmosphere. The park was acquired in 1982 and was opened in 1991.
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/spdest/f...ks/cedar_hill/
In 1854, John Anderson Penn settled in the rugged cedar-covered hills of southwest Dallas County - an area known as the Cedar Mountains. Today, remnants of the original Penn Farm survive intact in the confines of Cedar Hill State Park. Cedar Hill State Park is a 1,826 acre urban nature preserve located on the 7500 acre Joe Pool Reservoir. The Park's proximity to major metropolitan cities makes it an ideal destination for families who want to enjoy the great outdoors without spending precious time driving. The ruggedness and scenic beauty of the area combined with over 100 miles of shoreline and the water based recreation on Joe Pool is a major attraction. The Metroplex skyline reflects on Joe Pool at night adds to our relaxing wilderness atmosphere. The park was acquired in 1982 and was opened in 1991.
http://www.tpwd.state.tx.us/spdest/f...ks/cedar_hill/
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The desert has some lakes... the mountains have some valleys... the northwoods has some clearings. And yes, the great plains has some "briers and thorny bushes" along with patches of "stunted oak trees".
If we start to get in a match of who can cut and paste the most boring information, this thread will get really dull in a hurry!
If we start to get in a match of who can cut and paste the most boring information, this thread will get really dull in a hurry!
Feb 23rd, 2007, 06:17 PM
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aceplace, do you really expect anyone to read that junk? this is a forum, not a place to past a bunch of outside text.
does dallas have trees? sure it does. if I recall, there are parts of town with nice, old established trees and wooded parks. would I describe dallas as wooded or foresty? heck no. the real forests don't start until you get to the ozarks area.
does dallas have trees? sure it does. if I recall, there are parts of town with nice, old established trees and wooded parks. would I describe dallas as wooded or foresty? heck no. the real forests don't start until you get to the ozarks area.
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Do I expect people to read the information? Obviously, some did... If the question is whether or not to move to the Dallas area, the issue of its terrain and vegetative cover is material, and part of the discussion. It is exactly the info I'd like to have at my fingers if I were researching a move.
If the original poster wants terrain and forest cover similar to the Ouachita mountains, or the Smoky Mountains, and it's an important must-have, then Dallas is not the place. If a mixture of grassland and riparian woodland is acceptable, then the DFW area fills the bill. It's a relevant issue.
Stunted? Well, the Oak trees are 30 feet high instead of 50... the DFW area is considerably less humid than forests on the Atlantic seaboard, and the forest cover is lower to the ground.
Personally, I like the DFW terrain and plant cover just fine. I've lived in other places and terrains as well, from the Northern California hills, Southern California Meditteranean, South Texas rangeland, the deserts around Phoenix, the mountains in East Tennessee, as well as North Texas... and they're all equally beautiful. Or perhaps I have no opinion either way.
Tonight I went to Legacy Town Center in North Plano to see the film "Amazing Grace". Bishop ave, the main drag, was jumping with street life, people were in and out of the restaurants and bars and shops, and the townscape of buildings around the lake was picturesque. That's why I live in Dallas, to enjoy an affordable urban life.
On the other hand, if I want to pitch a tent in a thick forest by the side of a lake, I go to Cedar Hill, Ray Roberts, or the Cross Timbers hiking trail at Texoma.
If the original poster wants terrain and forest cover similar to the Ouachita mountains, or the Smoky Mountains, and it's an important must-have, then Dallas is not the place. If a mixture of grassland and riparian woodland is acceptable, then the DFW area fills the bill. It's a relevant issue.
Stunted? Well, the Oak trees are 30 feet high instead of 50... the DFW area is considerably less humid than forests on the Atlantic seaboard, and the forest cover is lower to the ground.
Personally, I like the DFW terrain and plant cover just fine. I've lived in other places and terrains as well, from the Northern California hills, Southern California Meditteranean, South Texas rangeland, the deserts around Phoenix, the mountains in East Tennessee, as well as North Texas... and they're all equally beautiful. Or perhaps I have no opinion either way.
Tonight I went to Legacy Town Center in North Plano to see the film "Amazing Grace". Bishop ave, the main drag, was jumping with street life, people were in and out of the restaurants and bars and shops, and the townscape of buildings around the lake was picturesque. That's why I live in Dallas, to enjoy an affordable urban life.
On the other hand, if I want to pitch a tent in a thick forest by the side of a lake, I go to Cedar Hill, Ray Roberts, or the Cross Timbers hiking trail at Texoma.
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I lived in Northwood Hills (Meandering Way and Paldao) for 25 years - lots of trees (had 27 on 2/3 rds acre); 40K gal pool and spa. Property taxes; utilities; insurance drove me out.
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