An Argument Against the Hana Road

Apr 20th, 2005, 11:45 PM
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Apr 21st, 2005, 10:27 AM
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Read all the Maui travel guides, Fodor's reviews, etc., etc. Just out of a basic interest. The road to Hana figured prominently in most.

BUT, I also know myself and why I was going to Maui - just to relax and soak up some Hawaiian "feel".

So, I think, each to their own. If you like to spend time in your car then do things that involve your car ... if you don't - don't.

We do lots of driving vacations - Utah, California (and we drive from B.C., Canada to get there). Maui to me though was all about sun, sunsets, turquoise water, snorkeling, leis, fish for dinner, mai tais, etc.

Just my 2 cents.
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Apr 21st, 2005, 10:43 AM
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Since 3 out of 4 in my family gets terribly carsick we didn't even consider this drive.
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Apr 21st, 2005, 11:12 AM
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Been to Maui 5 times and have only done a small portion of the drive. There are other things to see and do so we never wanted to spend so much time in the car. I understand why some people would want to do this but it's not for me.

We did do the northern Maui drive. Road is crazy narrow.
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Apr 21st, 2005, 11:45 AM
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hmm... well okay, I'm not one to argue much. But I can say that once you make the drive, if you go to the pools and then turn around again, you may have a point. But if you stay for a few days in Hana, you'll never forget it, especially the mornings before the day-trippers arrive, and the evenings after they have left.

I can also confirm that the drive around north maui is shorter, but much more hairy than the road to Hana.
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Apr 21st, 2005, 12:23 PM
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Roxy, can you please find an agent and become a travel writer? I will buy all your books.
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Apr 21st, 2005, 12:41 PM
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Hello all. I am the partner of Phillymazes. I am the one who drove, both ways, because I knew I would get car sick if I did not do the driving. In defense of my sweetie, he was being somewhat protective, about the remark, I do not care to repeat.

I am not a slow driver, by any means. I have driven all over the world, and can hold my own anywhere. He was reacting to several locals, in trucks, who basically would shove you out of the way. This was scarty at times, given the lack of room to move over. I even commented in locals defense, about what a drag it must be, to live somewhere, and have to deal with all of the tourists, escpecially when living in such a remote area.

I do think that the blurbs we read, over stated what to expect. Perhaps, we were comparing it to other experieinces, and, I agree, that trying to see it all in one day, is difficult. We saw SEVERAL people, who would just stop in their car, snap a picture, and move on. We do not explore in this way. We also travelled down the road to Naiku (sp?) to have our lunch. We hiked, took it all in, and did not even tell each other until the end, that we were both disappointed.

I said that I kept on going, at the 7 pools, because I kept thinking that the surprise would be around the next bend. Yes, we knew that the journey was the experience, and not the destination. But, over all, the experience left us feeling let down.

We loved Hawaii. We loved the locals. We loved the scenery. We loved the food. We just did not love Hana!

We hope to return, and meant no offense to anyone.

Aloha, from Mrs. Phillymazes
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Apr 21st, 2005, 07:11 PM
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Phillymazes - I appreciated your original post. I read this board to gain insight into other's detailed opinions on why they did or did not like something. I don't mind when someone writes that they disliked - even intensly - an aspect of an island that I love. Not everyone is going to like the same things. All I ask is for DETAILS because that's what allows me to judge for myself whether those things are important to me, and can help me decide how much credence to give to the review. Your original post was very detailed, and I found it helpful. I know the "nutty locals" comment is what got a lot of people riled up, but I really think people need to relax. You don't sound like self-centered, lazy, "elitist" travelers to me.

I agree that Maui is a lovely island. We did a drive out to some valley (can't remember the name of it, but it's where a bloody battle was fought), and it was so green and lush that we just stood there drinking it all in.
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Apr 21st, 2005, 08:38 PM
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Aw, shucks, gigi! It does a girl's heart good to hear that!

In my Maui trip report, I raved about Hana but puzzled over why people enjoy Lahaina. Everyone loves something different about Maui, which is fine (yousuckforlovinglahaina). I don't think you can truly enjoy traveling until you admit to yourself what it is you really want to do and see, independent of what everyone else tells you to do, and can feel secure in your decision to follow your heart. I'm still a little confused over what Philly hated--if it was just the wacky traffic, my earlier question stands: what other places would you avoid because of crazy drivers or danger/nuisance in general?

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Apr 21st, 2005, 10:28 PM
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Dear Phillymazes,
I am going to take a stand here and personally thank you for having the guts to honestly express your opinion on this board. Some posters can be really ugly turning an innocent statement into unbelievable personal and unfounded attacks.

I will go to my grave never understanding why strong opinions are such a problem for so many people. It's as if these people are completely uncomfortable with anything other than "nice", that is until they start in with their agenda. Heaven help the person who dares to express a truely honest and strong statement.

To all of you who spewed your venom at Phillymazes, I pose this question. What's the difference between Phillys strong dislike for the road to Hana and your strong dislike for the poster having this opinion?

Gotta go for now, I'm sure there is more venom coming my way. This just may be the post that finally does me in.
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Apr 22nd, 2005, 05:39 AM
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I'll second that, Parrothead.

Opinions are what make this forum so great. I think the negativity from some of the posters threaten the value of this board.

I drove the Hana Road with much anticipation. My travel companion was miserable most of the time. She finally worked up the courage to tell me she just could not go any further. I was very disappointed, but we saw a sliver of beach and decided to stop and relax for a while. The day at that virtually secluded beach was one of the best days I've spent in Hawaii - on any island.

The Hana Road is not for everyone and even though I don't mind driving twisty roads and love to go-and-do, I won't try the Hana Road again unless I can stay in Hana for a while. I probably won't go back because I prefer other islands to Maui.

Thanks to phillymazes and phillymazes' partner for giving your honest appraisal. It's a shame you got ANY grief for doing so.
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Apr 22nd, 2005, 05:51 AM
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No venom from me, Parrothead; I agree with you. I read this post with interest b/c my husband and I are off to Maui next month on a business trip. We have one free day and I really have weighed whether or not to do the road to Hana. The guidebooks rave about it, but 8 HOURS of driving? We're no stranger to long drives - we've been all over out west and know that to see a lot, you have to travel a lot. Many people I've spoken to said they wouldn't have done Hana knowing what they did after the long drive.

Thankfully, we no longer have to make this decision. The company sponsoring the trip added several optional excursions on our free day, and one is a helicopter ride over Hana. So we can still see it without the hassle of an entire day's drive!

I'm from Philly, too, but I truly do not understand why if someone expresses an opinion against someplace, the "locals" get all bent out of shape. No one likes everything; who cares if they didn't like something about your hometown. There's nothing the matter with disagreeing, and perhaps some people didn't have the "whole" picture. But if you get angry about others putting down your local area, why do some turn around and then bash where the original poster is from? (Hello pot, meet kettle).

I have many opinions off the mainstream (I don't like Vegas, for example), but I've learned that on Fodors in some areas you have to step very lightly. But what a boring place this would be (not to mention incredibly UNHELPFUL) if all we did was rave about how wonderful every travel destination is!
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Apr 22nd, 2005, 06:01 AM
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No venom from me either parrothead.
As I and others have said before, it often depends on *who* writes the post.
Many screen names are cheered regardless if their post is outright rude.
Other not so known screen names are jeered even if they are articulate, polite and dare I say, correct?
Just like life.
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Apr 22nd, 2005, 07:07 AM
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I seem to missing the venom and ugliness to which folks are referring. Sure some responses may have disagreed with phillymazes, but differing opinions are to be expected. You can't start a thread as an "arguement" and not expect others to chime in with their opinion. I don't think anybody is correct or incorrect, just different strokes for different folks.
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Apr 22nd, 2005, 08:02 AM
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Love this post! It's got me feeling much better about not doing the road to Hana on our trip to Maui last August. It was our first trip, and we had our children ages 7 and 12 with us. I agonized about missing it, but in the end decided it would not be a fun experience for them and there were better ways to spend our time. We didn't do Haleakala either, just decided we'd save both for when they are older and won't mind so much time in the car. We loved Maui and feel we saw lots of the Island's beauty without doing Hana, and the best part is -- we have saved some of the island's highlights for our return trip!
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Apr 22nd, 2005, 09:50 AM
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I have no dawg in this fight!

BUT....unless I'm on an official car vacation I refuse to drive more than 2 hrs anywhere anymore!
I did join AAAAA because Mrs Kal is driving me to drink.
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Apr 22nd, 2005, 09:54 AM
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What a kerfuffle! I thank everyone who has expressed an opinion or preference on this topic, which I have been attempting to research in preparation for my June trip to Maui. Sadly (perhaps my own fault), I still am not sure where the "road to Hana" begins and ends; my best guess is it begins in Paia (sp?) (near the airport?) and ends either in Hana (which, from the name would be expected) or somewhat further on, at the seven pools (where apparently the dirt road either begins or is involved). And apparently some people go "all the way around the island." So where do I start? When do I start counting the hours that it will take? My concern is that I am a very nervous driver (after an accident) and don't enjoy the terror associated with high-up, twisty roads; I just can't relax on them, especially if I have to fear oncoming traffic. On the other hand, I am perfectly capable of driving Highway 1 in northern California (Sonoma and Mendocino counties), although some stretches make me quite nervous and I'm always glad when they are over. Can anybody advise me--how long is the Road to Hana (or Hana Road)? How long does it take to get from Point A to Point B (if such points exist, or if you can recommend any such points to start and stop)? Does most of the road involve steep drop-offs on either side? (This in particular would help me decide which direction to drive it, since I am usually okay when I am hugging a mountainside, but very very nervous when skittering along next to crevasse.) If I chose to drive a portion of the road, which portion is advisable? We are staying near Kaanapali, so I imagine it will be an effort to go to any part of the road (am I wrong?). Thanks to all.
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Apr 22nd, 2005, 10:14 AM
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Parrothead ~ an honest and fair appraisal of what some one didn't like about a particular place or attraction is always appreciated. However, read through the original post again. There are several valuable statements made, I would agree. However, there are terms that will incite people. Things such as
"perhaps a fool" (implying one must be a fool if they DO enjoy driving this road), "place is full of nutty locals", "blank grins of golf-hatted nitwits" (why was this comment thrown in, and what does it mean?), "wide-eyed fear on the faces of old ladies" (implying that only old ladies might be fearful, when there are probably old ladies who could handle this road well.)

I know that I've gone against the grain at times on this board. But I express my opinion of what I thought without handing out insults or tearing down others who happened to enjoy it. I don't like Vegas and I don't understand the attraction, but I would never state or imply that some one who does enjoy Vegas is a nitwit or foolish or nutty.

It's not the fact that pillymazes expressed an honest opinion that got some people riled. It's the fact that he/she expressed it in a way that seemed to be arrogant and disparaging. Understand?
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Apr 22nd, 2005, 10:59 AM
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No, I don't understand. I believe if you are taking the time re-reading a post and analyzing it phrase-by-phrase or word-for-word I think you are taking this forum WAY too seriously. By all means - post and disagree. Give your reasons and all, but there are some things some people will never agree on. There's no right or wrong answers - Phillymazes really disliked the Road to Hana. So what? Does anyone think they are truly going to change his mind?
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Apr 22nd, 2005, 12:35 PM
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Reply to likeswords,
This link answers some of your questions:
We used one of a few CD guide tours widely available on Maui and found it to be worthwhile. We did not think the road to Hana had steep drop offs, unlike the narrow road beyond Kapalua.
Also recommend ('s Maui Revealed
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