An Argument Against the Hana Road

Apr 20th, 2005, 12:14 PM
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Kaymit and snowrooster, maybe you should read philly's follow-up posts.
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Apr 20th, 2005, 12:20 PM
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Barbara - I read all of the previous posts prior to adding my comments. Maybe if you have something to say you should just say it. I haven't a clue what you are getting at.
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Apr 20th, 2005, 12:26 PM
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Were the waterfalls flowing when you went phillymazes? That can make a difference in the overall impression. I've gone when its wet and I've gone when its dry and I liked the 'wet' trip the best.

And if you hadn't gone you would probably always be curious. Now your curiousity is satisfied and you never have to go again.
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Apr 20th, 2005, 12:31 PM
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snowrooster, in your first two sentences you imply that philly had trouble making stops along the way and you opine that philly is "not the adventurous type". I think philly's posts state clearly that they are indeed adventurous and that they had no trouble finding places to stop.

Why do you all have to be so insulting and patronizing just because someone voices a different opinion?
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Apr 20th, 2005, 12:56 PM
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for the most part, the posts in here don't seem to be insulting and patronizing, they're just voicing their opinions, as did the original poster.

my bet is that the main phrase which turned a few people off was phillymazes reference to "nutty locals". If you ran into some drivers so be it, but you can't expect to make a comment like that and get too many cheers. Wouldn't the words bad drivers just have easily been enough, after all, I'd bet there were a few mainland drivers whizzing around up there as well.
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Apr 20th, 2005, 01:06 PM
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We drove the Hana road a few years ago, and while it was fairly enjoyable, I didn't find it amazing, or spectacular at all, and Hana didn't do much for us either. It was all just o.k. ... and we love going for drives, just for the fun of it...
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Apr 20th, 2005, 01:28 PM
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I don't believe I insulted anyone. In fact I've heard many people say about themselves, "I'm not the adventerous type."

Personally, I find this statement in the original post eroneous "But unless one is young with a Jeep or extremely energetic about mountain driving, or perhaps a fool, there is little to love about the Hana Road." I don't think this is the case. While I certainly feel the original poster has a right to his/her opinion, I think most people do enjoy the Road to Hana and you don't have to enjoy something bizarre or be a fool to appreciate it.

Besides, anyone who starts a thread titling it "An Argument Against" should realize that other posters are probably going to come in on the other side of the argument with their own perspective. Insulting and patronizing? I think not.
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Apr 20th, 2005, 02:05 PM
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>>>>>>>>>>One bit of advice . . .
don't ever visit St John, USVI
if you couldn't handle Hana.
Every road on the island is
Hana x10 - and the locals drive
down the middle of every windy
road at all times.<<<<<<<<<

Wow, snowrooster,we thought St.John
was,tho' twisty-turny (with those hairpin-like curves going nearly straight up) pretty easy-including the driving on the left!
Mr R5 loved that part!
You say the Hana Road is easier?
Gosh, don't tell my DH!

R5


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Apr 20th, 2005, 02:20 PM
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I thought Road to Hana was WAY easier than St John. DH and I took turns driving on Road to Hana but I wouldn't dare get behind the wheel on St John. We did stay in the more remote part of St John (Coral Bay) so perhaps the driving was more rugged there than in Cruz Bay, where we didn't spend much time. We also ran into tons of animal road blocks on St John (lots of cows!) which wasn't an issue on Hana. The villa we rented on St John required 4 Wheel Drive just to get to it!!
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Apr 20th, 2005, 02:24 PM
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Oh my, snowrooster! We were up at
our fave return place on Ajax-
a villa called Aria-we needed 4x4
as well. Can't wait til next time!
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Apr 20th, 2005, 02:30 PM
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Small world! We were off Ajax as well at Happy Moon! I just love St John - wish I were there now!!!!!!!!
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Apr 20th, 2005, 05:32 PM
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What a humorous thread.

Anyway, philly I agree.

Just returned today from Maui and completed the road to Hana. It was beautiful, waterfalls flowing, and breathtaking scenery. Now that I've done it once, would not do it again. Don't regret it, was just not WOWed.

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Apr 20th, 2005, 07:34 PM
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I have to say, we went to Waikiki, Maui, and the Big Island this past summer and LOVED Hawaii. (We are going to Oahu and Kauai this summer.) That being said, the one thing we did not enjoy was the Road to Hana. The roads were far to twisty, and I actually threw up twice We had already seen so much natural beauty on both Maui and the other islands. Be careful if you are easily carsick! Just my opinion...Maui is a wonderful island.
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Apr 20th, 2005, 08:59 PM
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philly- my comment about the bell/battlefields was not meant to be serious...just showing how odd it sounds to complain about the very thing that attracts tourists.

And yes, I have been there...got pics of the family in front of it. The expense was getting to Philadelphia.

I think if you'd written and said we didn't enjoy the road to hana, no one would have cared. I would have agreed with you! I don't care all that much for it either, and my DH hates it.

You did tell us up front that your post would be an argument, but using a term like nutty locals is just insulting.

BTW: Weren't you the poster a while back who wanted to drive to Haleakala at sunrise and then continue onto Hana the same day because you love driving?
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Apr 20th, 2005, 10:02 PM
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I love Hawaii, love Oahum Kauai, Maui, BI, have been fortunate and grateful to return a bunch in the last 8 yrs, but the famous "Road to Hana" is not something I'd do again. 7 pools were more crowded than Waikiki, waterfalls were nearly dry that year, the road for me as a driver, was quite literally nauseating. I tell friends who desire an alternative, to take the road around the W. Maui coast (which, unlike the description of a previous poster, is far less curving) from Kahana, then up the coast and through the village of Kahakuloa. IMHO, It has more peace and quiet and local feel than the Hana Rd. If you follow the road, you can continue inland a bit and into Iao Valley for a lovely sense of Maui lushness. Note, i'm not disagreeing or arguing with those who love it; I just feel it is "skippable" and many go rushing in a brief trip instead of relaxing and enjoying other beautiful areas on the island. (BTW, gyppielou, I LOVE Kauai--so please don't assume because someone doesn't love one part of Hawaii,they won't love other places.)
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Apr 20th, 2005, 10:12 PM
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Calinurse,

You missed my jest. I have never rounded a turn in Hawaii, that didn't strike me down. Kal might help. We both despise Kauai and cannot for the life of us understand why anyone would go there. We go year after year researching this silly little wet and wavy island! It is a phenomena that we simply cannot let go until we understand why anyone would bother with this waterlogged boring island........ok?!?!?!
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Apr 20th, 2005, 10:13 PM
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Wow, I was just going to leave this one alone, but I can't resist seeing my name in lights.

I'll admit that I was not as wowed as I thought I would be by the sights along the highway. The north shore of Kauai was way more breathtaking. However, once you park and go explore, take a hike, see the waterfalls, drive down Nahiku Road, it's all worth it (the view from the "Infinity Pool" along the Pipiwai Trail? Ohh, stunning, it made my stomach do flips). Yes, there are beautiful sights to see in other jungly places on Maui, but there's tons of them along the Hana highway too that are unforgettable. It's a big island, experience it all!

We stayed two nights in Hana, so we were going at a leisurely pace, but we also recognize that we can't see everything and don't freak out about it. I guess we thought of it more as a means to an end (getting us to the hikes/waterfalls) rather than the end itself; we simply saw it as a road, not a tourist attraction. By the way, we're in our mid twenties and on some days I suppose could be characterized as "energetic" and "foolish".

We had no trouble driving the highway. People seemed to do well following directions with the one lane bridges and no one was really driving crazy. And I never felt unsafe, like fall-off-the-edge-of-the-cliff unsafe, is that just me?

I would imagine that doing the highway as a day trip can be a stressful letdown, because you drive sooo far to get there, just to East Maui, feeling like "I could be on the beach right now", then once you're "there" you're still driving, you see cars pulled over and wonder what, you constantly feel like you're missing something or not getting your time's worth because vacation days are so precious. ANY tourist attraction that gets so built up is bound to be a letdown...especially one so grueling when done as a day trip. I would have to admit that hauling out there on a day trip might piss me off and feel like a "wasted day" because I can't imagine it could possibly be relaxing. And I also think that some people get in this race against the clock mindset where they ram forward toward the Seven Deadly Pools, racing by all the beauty in order to get to the Water Park.

I think you need to be in the right mindset, for this or any "tourist attraction". You might think that Graceland is stupid and corny, but if you go in the right frame of mind, you could have a great time. And guess what? You don't have to go all the way around. Drive until you're ready to turn back. And if taking the drive doesn't sound like your thing, even though it's promoted endlessly, don't go. Personally, I have absolutely no problem with going to a place and skipping the things everyone talks about if I just have no interest. Hell, I went to the Big Island and was too lazy to drive to see the volcano at night because I was relaxing, I've never been to a luau in my three trips, we skipped Haleakala (although we LOVED driving around the back side of it from Hana), and I will NOT return to Lahaina. I experience the island the way I want to, not the way anyone else wants me to, when I'm there it belongs to me and I refuse to feel guilty about it the way some people do.

But all this aside, it sounds like Philly's problem with the drive is the drivers. If you're going to skip someplace because the traffic is insane, I think you'll be missing out on a lot of places in the world. Isn't that like saying "Ugh, New York/Tokyo/LA is great and all, but I'd skip it because people drive like maniacs there!" Would you avoid driving in another incredible part of the world because of the "nutty locals"? What other places would you skip out of mild danger or inconvenience? To me, the incredible beauty of the area outweighs the risks or hassles.

I will now open it up for Q & A.

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Apr 20th, 2005, 10:19 PM
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Hi Roxy!!!! Can't wait to get to our beach house in Hanalei!!!! Life is good so long as we can bottle our adventures!!!!!!!
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Apr 20th, 2005, 10:20 PM
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RE: The Seven Deadly Pools

And by the way, Philly, out of curiosity, if lovely pools in a jungle setting that cascade into one another and down into the blue Pacific were "decidely unspectacular", what IS spectacular?

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Apr 20th, 2005, 11:28 PM
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I guess my opinion is somewhere in between. The original poster is pretty right on the mark to an extent.

I LOVE to drive, twisty roads don't bother me. But, here's the problem...the day we went, the waterfalls were pretty much DRY. Unfortunately, the guidebooks don't tell you that it is possible to do the entire all-day trip and barely see ANY water. Even the 7 pools were barely worth a look.

But, here's the good part. We DID see some wonderful natural areas of wave crashing action during the drive (off the highway) and we DID take the road all the way around the island, instead of doubling back. That little detour was the highlight of our day. Beautiful scenery, desolate and a very doable road if you know how to drive. We had a Civic and we were fine, eventually it turns to pavement again. If we ever did the Hana Road again, we would certainly do this segment again.

As far as the know-it-alls are concerned (you know, the one's going wink wink), well sometimes it's hard to hear the truth about something you love. If the water ain't flowing, we recommend thinking about not going.
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