Trip to Mendoza
Apr 13th, 2006, 11:49 AM
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Hi alpal, this will be our second time in Cavas, I did love it the first time, but this time we plan to ride on horsebacketc and do more activities than the first time. Always following their advice. I certainly will post a report afterwards.
Apr 14th, 2006, 06:09 PM
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hi Graziella: I have a question regarding accent and grammar in Argentina versus Mexico (I'm assuming you speak spanish!). Where I live near the border, the use of the "tu" form is very common. I've heard that Argentinian spanish is more formal with use of "usted" even among friends. Es la verdad? Also, I understand that the doble L is pronounced more castillian. True? And one last question, is the vos/vosotros commonly used? I haven't used that part of the conjugations in too long! Thanks for any help.
Apr 15th, 2006, 02:23 AM
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Hi Alpa, yes I do speak Spanish.
Argentineas use vos instead of tu, Uruguayans use tu and hardly ever use vos.
Both tu and vos are followed with the same verb conjugation like:
Vos sabes? or Tu sabes?
Vos comes langosta ? TU comes langosta?
I do not think you will have any problem at all, I have no problem in Mexico.
( I speak with the tu)
I believe that Mexicans pronounce better than people in Uruguay/Argentina. The later group do not pronounce the ll, instead it sounds more like a y. >>Like POLLO sounds more like poyo.
Regarding the use of tu-vos versus usted has varied largely in the last decades. When I was young, tu or vos was to be used between friends, Usted was used as a sign of respect ( to an older person for instance) or to some unkown person let us say the front desk clerk in the hotel or a shop. Tu-vos was also used among all younger people. To-day as far as can see, young people use practically only the tu-vos even to address totally unknown persons .They might only use the Usted to address an older person let us say to address the grandmother of a friend.
The most significant recent change has been that today older persons also use a lot more the tu-vos even to address sometimes unknown persons.Like they would use it to address the sales girl in a boutique.
A social kind of situation exists between older persons and persons like a maid for instance, the older person would use the tu-vos and the maid would use the Usted form.
In my case, I use Usted to address people like the taxi driver, the hotel front desk clerk, but sometimes I use the tu to address a sales girl or sales woman. I use the tu to address all friends of my children and they might return with a Usted or a tu, depends on each case.
Wow......is it more or less clear?
( I am in Montevideo, alone in my daughter´'s house with a maid, this week is a Holiday in Uruguay and I have plenty of time till Sunday so if you have any more questions I shall be happy to answer them, if I can. Ciao.)
Argentineas use vos instead of tu, Uruguayans use tu and hardly ever use vos.
Both tu and vos are followed with the same verb conjugation like:
Vos sabes? or Tu sabes?
Vos comes langosta ? TU comes langosta?
I do not think you will have any problem at all, I have no problem in Mexico.
( I speak with the tu)
I believe that Mexicans pronounce better than people in Uruguay/Argentina. The later group do not pronounce the ll, instead it sounds more like a y. >>Like POLLO sounds more like poyo.
Regarding the use of tu-vos versus usted has varied largely in the last decades. When I was young, tu or vos was to be used between friends, Usted was used as a sign of respect ( to an older person for instance) or to some unkown person let us say the front desk clerk in the hotel or a shop. Tu-vos was also used among all younger people. To-day as far as can see, young people use practically only the tu-vos even to address totally unknown persons .They might only use the Usted to address an older person let us say to address the grandmother of a friend.
The most significant recent change has been that today older persons also use a lot more the tu-vos even to address sometimes unknown persons.Like they would use it to address the sales girl in a boutique.
A social kind of situation exists between older persons and persons like a maid for instance, the older person would use the tu-vos and the maid would use the Usted form.
In my case, I use Usted to address people like the taxi driver, the hotel front desk clerk, but sometimes I use the tu to address a sales girl or sales woman. I use the tu to address all friends of my children and they might return with a Usted or a tu, depends on each case.
Wow......is it more or less clear?
( I am in Montevideo, alone in my daughter´'s house with a maid, this week is a Holiday in Uruguay and I have plenty of time till Sunday so if you have any more questions I shall be happy to answer them, if I can. Ciao.)
Apr 15th, 2006, 12:19 PM
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Excelente! Gracias! I was hoping that the use of "vos" would not mean "vosotros" which has a conjugation I haven't used since la secondaria! I can totally handle using the word "vos" instead of the word "tu". I suspect that I will probably use "usted" to be on the safe side. Again, thanks so much for the information. Really appreciate it.
Apr 15th, 2006, 02:21 PM
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Hi, I ´m glad I
have been of some help. You can certainly stick to tu and usted as I do. I hardly ever use the vos.
The use of tu or vos has been expanded so much lately that at certain points it will be better to use either one than the usted. You can safetly use tu-or-vos to address many different kind of persons. If you wish to put a barrier, for any reason, stick to the usted.
have been of some help. You can certainly stick to tu and usted as I do. I hardly ever use the vos.
The use of tu or vos has been expanded so much lately that at certain points it will be better to use either one than the usted. You can safetly use tu-or-vos to address many different kind of persons. If you wish to put a barrier, for any reason, stick to the usted.
Jun 7th, 2006, 05:42 AM
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I have been working with a travel agent on an itinerary in Mendoza which includes the Club Tapiz. From the reviews I was able to obtain on Google, it's a great place at a reasonable rate. Unfortunately, the travel agent is offering this hotel as part of a "package." The package includes airfare, hotel and two private excursions at an OUTRAGEOUS price!
Jun 9th, 2006, 04:32 PM
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I stayed for 3 days at Cavas in March. It was after the festival, but the harvest was in full swing and weather was wonderful. any questions, please ask.
I travel a lot and seek out unique accomodations. Normally I stay in a town or city because I love to walk. at cavas, you are a good 30 min from town, but I thought the experience was great. the spa is just getting going and was ok. definitely go to town for 1884 one evening. however we had our best meal in BA at a place called nectarine.
bonnie
I travel a lot and seek out unique accomodations. Normally I stay in a town or city because I love to walk. at cavas, you are a good 30 min from town, but I thought the experience was great. the spa is just getting going and was ok. definitely go to town for 1884 one evening. however we had our best meal in BA at a place called nectarine.
bonnie
Jun 21st, 2006, 06:22 PM
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I'm interested to hear from those of you who recently stayed at the Cavas Wine Lodge. We're considering staying at Cavas for part of our honeymoon. Their room prices seem comparatively high for the area, but it sounds like the hotel is worth it. They have a "special programme" going on where they reduce the room rate (don't know how much) and include extras like transportation to and from the airport, massages, winery tours, and all meals. There's also the choice of an outdoor excursion (horseback riding, hiking or rafting) but I'm not sure it's included. The special programme rate ends up being almost double the regular room rate. We're trying to figure out if the special programme is worth the extra money. How much can we expect to pay for things like meals, tours, spa services, transportation?
Jun 21st, 2006, 07:18 PM
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Hi Meg, I hav e recently returned from Mendoza, the program you refered to was absolutely great. Expensive true but every thing was more than we expected we did the horse riding. A picinic was prepared for us. We were a group of four and had a great great time.The owners managers Cecilia and her husband make you feel at home and they are always there to help out.
Jun 21st, 2006, 09:37 PM
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Graziella,
Thanks for your quick response and helpful information! You've put my mind at ease, if not my wallet. From the descriptions that you and others have posted, Cavas sounds like a wonderful place and we're really looking forward to it!
Thanks for your quick response and helpful information! You've put my mind at ease, if not my wallet. From the descriptions that you and others have posted, Cavas sounds like a wonderful place and we're really looking forward to it!
