The REAL Buenos Aires
Nov 14th, 2005 | 07:35 PM
#81
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Just returned from a week in Buenos Aires. I took Alberto’s “The Real Buenos Aires” Tour.
I know there has been some controversy about how REAL it is and about the concept of taking people to see the cartonero train. From my viewpoint, REAL is very subjective. We each have our own realities and in Bs As - a city of 12 million full of diversity there would be 12 million realities… and this is one of them.
Alberto is a gracious host and very knowledgeable. The tour was as described. We met at the Retiro Train Station at 6.30 PM. We probably travelled a bit later than the true rush hour. The train was not all that crowded. As we headed toward Acassuso, Alberto provided us with information about the various barrios we passed through, pointed out places of interest and answered any questions we might have.
In Acassuso, a relatively affluent suburb where Alberto lives, we walked around to get a bit of a feeling for the area. Then we headed back to the station to watch the cartonero train. As pretour reading, Alberto had provided a link to a recent article in La Nacion to give us background about the cartoneros and their situation. We did not stand and gawk at the train and the cartoneros. We watched discreetly on the other side of the track and definitely did not stand there with our cameras snapping pictures. For me, the whole exercise did give me an awareness of one of the realities of Argentina after the economic crisis. I am not about to make any social commentaries on the situation.
We then went for dinner at a local family style parilla called La Porteña. In true Argentinian style, when we arrived at about 8.30 PM the place was almost empty. However by the time we left - after 10.00 PM it was packed. The prices were reasonable and the food abundant and tasty. As promised, we were the only tourists in sight. After dinner, we returned to Bs As by remise.
Alberto was the perfect host. He encouraged us to try things we otherwise may never have. He provided commentaries and opinions. Rather than a tour, I considered the outing a chance to spend time with a Porteño and get off the beaten tourist path. I would like to thank Alberto for taking the time to show us his city and a part of his reality.
Dan who accompanied us on the tour has a far better account of the evening as well as interesting background information in his excellent and insightful blog (the November 8th entry – The Burbs
http://www.saltshaker.net/
Muchissimas Gracias Don Alberto!!!!!
Raquel
I know there has been some controversy about how REAL it is and about the concept of taking people to see the cartonero train. From my viewpoint, REAL is very subjective. We each have our own realities and in Bs As - a city of 12 million full of diversity there would be 12 million realities… and this is one of them.
Alberto is a gracious host and very knowledgeable. The tour was as described. We met at the Retiro Train Station at 6.30 PM. We probably travelled a bit later than the true rush hour. The train was not all that crowded. As we headed toward Acassuso, Alberto provided us with information about the various barrios we passed through, pointed out places of interest and answered any questions we might have.
In Acassuso, a relatively affluent suburb where Alberto lives, we walked around to get a bit of a feeling for the area. Then we headed back to the station to watch the cartonero train. As pretour reading, Alberto had provided a link to a recent article in La Nacion to give us background about the cartoneros and their situation. We did not stand and gawk at the train and the cartoneros. We watched discreetly on the other side of the track and definitely did not stand there with our cameras snapping pictures. For me, the whole exercise did give me an awareness of one of the realities of Argentina after the economic crisis. I am not about to make any social commentaries on the situation.
We then went for dinner at a local family style parilla called La Porteña. In true Argentinian style, when we arrived at about 8.30 PM the place was almost empty. However by the time we left - after 10.00 PM it was packed. The prices were reasonable and the food abundant and tasty. As promised, we were the only tourists in sight. After dinner, we returned to Bs As by remise.
Alberto was the perfect host. He encouraged us to try things we otherwise may never have. He provided commentaries and opinions. Rather than a tour, I considered the outing a chance to spend time with a Porteño and get off the beaten tourist path. I would like to thank Alberto for taking the time to show us his city and a part of his reality.
Dan who accompanied us on the tour has a far better account of the evening as well as interesting background information in his excellent and insightful blog (the November 8th entry – The Burbs
http://www.saltshaker.net/
Muchissimas Gracias Don Alberto!!!!!
Raquel
Nov 15th, 2005 | 02:37 PM
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Thank you, SharonG!
As you well know, after our little misunderstanding in your initial Buenos Aires post, I posted several peace offerings, which I hoped would be accepted.
Come to BA soon, with LOTS of time to spare.
As you well know, after our little misunderstanding in your initial Buenos Aires post, I posted several peace offerings, which I hoped would be accepted.
Come to BA soon, with LOTS of time to spare.
Nov 17th, 2005 | 11:02 AM
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We just returned from Baires and took Albertos tour. We enjoyed a lot. The previous description is
as good a job descirbing as I could, probably better. My wife and I would just tell you what a gracious and convivial host he and wife are. He was
extraordinarily giving and helpful. I recommend the tour just to meet this fine fellow.
as good a job descirbing as I could, probably better. My wife and I would just tell you what a gracious and convivial host he and wife are. He was
extraordinarily giving and helpful. I recommend the tour just to meet this fine fellow.
Nov 18th, 2005 | 05:47 AM
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I have just returned from BA where I was priviledged to spend time with Alberto and take his "Real BA" tour.
Alberto is a kind and gracious host, who went out of his way to make my time in BA as enjoyable as possible.
Of course, the "highlight" (or should that be "lowlight" ??) was the excursion to see the cartoneros train.
The train trip out of BA was not as crowded, nor did it feel as dangerous as I had imagined. But it was certainly filled with numerous commuters who spend a couple of hours each day travelling from their suburbs to central BA to work.
We alighted the train at a station north of BA and waited for the cartoneros train to come through. Although there weren't many people on the train we saw, it was still a moving experience to see the conditions in which these people travel. A metal train, with metal bars across the open windows and locked, metal doors. It reminded me of the kinds of trains that carry cattle or other farm animals. And what would happen in an accident, or fire, I have no idea as people wouldn't be able to escape the carriages.
I would highly recommend Alberto's tour to anyone who wants to add to their BA experience and find out more information about the realities of life in Argentina after the recent political and economic crisis.
Alberto is a kind and gracious host, who went out of his way to make my time in BA as enjoyable as possible.
Of course, the "highlight" (or should that be "lowlight" ??) was the excursion to see the cartoneros train.
The train trip out of BA was not as crowded, nor did it feel as dangerous as I had imagined. But it was certainly filled with numerous commuters who spend a couple of hours each day travelling from their suburbs to central BA to work.
We alighted the train at a station north of BA and waited for the cartoneros train to come through. Although there weren't many people on the train we saw, it was still a moving experience to see the conditions in which these people travel. A metal train, with metal bars across the open windows and locked, metal doors. It reminded me of the kinds of trains that carry cattle or other farm animals. And what would happen in an accident, or fire, I have no idea as people wouldn't be able to escape the carriages.
I would highly recommend Alberto's tour to anyone who wants to add to their BA experience and find out more information about the realities of life in Argentina after the recent political and economic crisis.
Nov 19th, 2005 | 08:06 AM
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Dear Avrooster,
I have read the posts about your wonderful "real Buenos Aires" tour and am wondering if you might be able to give a tour on Thursday, 24 November? It would be for two people from Washington, DC. We have been to Buenos Aires before, and we love your fascinating city, but have never visited a "real" neighborhood. I am very interested in seeing a supermarket in particular, as well as the other things you have described. If you might be able to give a tour on 24 November -- I apologize for asking so close to the date -- I will email you at the address I have seen on this forum. Many thanks! Marie
I have read the posts about your wonderful "real Buenos Aires" tour and am wondering if you might be able to give a tour on Thursday, 24 November? It would be for two people from Washington, DC. We have been to Buenos Aires before, and we love your fascinating city, but have never visited a "real" neighborhood. I am very interested in seeing a supermarket in particular, as well as the other things you have described. If you might be able to give a tour on 24 November -- I apologize for asking so close to the date -- I will email you at the address I have seen on this forum. Many thanks! Marie
Nov 19th, 2005 | 08:45 AM
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Hi, Marie!
You can write to my e-mail address indicated in several posts above, but Nov. 24 is not available.
Tell me a little more about yourselves and that kind of thing, if you feel like it.
Your travel dates, where you will be staying, the phone number of your hotel, etc. would also be useful, in case something suddenly opens up.
At his time the only PROBABLY available date is Nov. 22.
Have a good trip and a great time in our town.
You can write to my e-mail address indicated in several posts above, but Nov. 24 is not available.
Tell me a little more about yourselves and that kind of thing, if you feel like it.
Your travel dates, where you will be staying, the phone number of your hotel, etc. would also be useful, in case something suddenly opens up.
At his time the only PROBABLY available date is Nov. 22.
Have a good trip and a great time in our town.
Jan 31st, 2006 | 12:22 PM
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I am leaving for Buenos Aires on 2/3 arriving 2/4. I might be interested in your tour. I would also like to find a hotel for about 30 bucks in Recoleta or Palermo Vieja.
I have 7 days, then on to Chile which I am not hearing good things about. I speak Spanish. I am interested more in meeting Argentinians or other travelers than anything else.
How do I contact you once I am in BA.
Thanks
John
I have 7 days, then on to Chile which I am not hearing good things about. I speak Spanish. I am interested more in meeting Argentinians or other travelers than anything else.
How do I contact you once I am in BA.
Thanks
John
Feb 4th, 2006 | 07:32 PM
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My husband and I will be in BA on March 17 to the 20th and would like to take you up on your offer - please reply if you will be offering this tour and also will be happy to return the favour if you come to Canada.
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