for a free downloadable England Rocks map details 100 sites associated with the halcyon days of English Rock and Roll that precipitated the English rockers invasion of America.

Included are grave sites such as Dusty Springfield's in Henley-on-Thames and Cliff Richard's (oh he's not dead yet!)

oops that's Keith Richards whose not (quite) dead yet.

Cliff's not dead either. Funny how he never married.

The article in the NYT further says:

can make a pilgrimage going way beyond the usual tromp out to Abbey Road Studios - not surprisingly a lot of Beatlemania - Eleanor Rigby statue and a visit to Sir Paul McCartney's family home in Liverpuddlian land, restored to how it looked in the 50s and 60s

or a visit to the beach where the Gallaghers (Oasis) shot the sleeve cover of Roll With It... memorail plaque where Eddie Cochran was killed in a car crash... tour the stately home in Hertfordshire where Adam & Ants filmed their Stand and Deliver video.

Oh to be a youngster in Liverpool in the early Beatles heyday! Even being one in the U.S. during the British Invasion was fun. Hoopla was fun.

And here I was, all excited about a thread on William Smith and "The Map that Changed the World." England rocks, indeed!

Li

Being a youngster in Liverpool during the early Beatles heyday was no different (except wetter, and if you did venture into the Cavern, smellier) from being a youngster anywhere else.

Homework. Girlfriends (or not). Saturday jobs. Wondering why the weird minority made such a fuss over bloody football.

Liverpool's remarkable greatness was impressively concealed under inch-thick deposits of a couple of centuriesworth of soot. Everywhere.

...and I'm completely with LiHardcastle.

Go to Churchill, home of William Smith and Warren Hastings (who was really responsible, in a funny sort of way, for the honest government of India) and all you see about either of them is an occasional local school project in the church hall.

Go within a million miles of Liverpool, and you'd be forgiven for thinking that the only thing that'd ever happened (in the city that invented almost everything about the modern world, from trains through jerry building to mass international migration to the model for Central Park) were the bloody Beatles.

didn't 'Erman and the 'Ermits also ferry cross the Mersy?

Hermans Hermits are from Manchester, and there is no greater insult than to call a Manc a Scouse, or vice-versa.

They *really* do have issues with one another.

Did some work with the Beatles Museum, meeting Pete Best and Rod Davis from the Quarrymen.
Was surprised at the animosity of Liverpuddlians towards the Beatles, for selling out and moving south

Yet i believe when John Lennon died there was an outpouring of grief in Liverpuddle land.

Audere est farce: <there is no greater insult than to call a Manc a Scouse, or vice-versa.

They *really* do have issues with one another.>

and it seems each one has very valid reasons to feel so

Imagine the horror that is waking up every morning and realising you're Pete Best.

all the way to the bank as they say

guess Ozzie Osbourne's palace in England is not on the list. The quintessential British rocker - is he is Mud Puddle too?

Ozzie's a Brummie.

As is John Bonham and ELO (remember them?)

Jerry and Pacemakers?
Derek and Dominos?
Maryann Faithful?

who of the original Liverpiddlian Beat would i recognize besides Fab Four?

Maryanne Faithful (sic)???

Didn't have girls like that in Liverpool in the early 60's. She was first seen in the city around 11 pm one Friday night in early September 1964 when the late-night Granada TV chat and comment show carried a (prefilmed) clip of her singing.

IN the shop the following morning, EVERY single buyer of "As Tears go by" commented, with some wryness, about how embarrassed they were to be buying a record by a posh southern bint. But didn't she have great tits?

We sold out by 1030

As for Derek and the Dominoes!!!!

<Being a youngster in Liverpool during the early Beatles heyday was no different (except wetter, and if you did venture into the Cavern, smellier) from being a youngster anywhere else.>

Flanner: you say you were nonplussed by the Beatle Mania in Liverppol itself.

Well youngsters like me in the States were swept up in it and it was an exciting time - we all of a sudden grew our hair long - wore bell bottoms, etc.

Tell me you didn't have long hair like the four Liverpiddlian lands?

The Ed Sullivan shows, especially the first one was a national obsession and cultural landmark to me.

It must have been a tad more exciting with the Beatles hoopla or perhaps more so in Hamburg?

To be honest, I can't remember which local groups ever got famous in the US.

But of the real, hardcore, acts from the Merseybeat golden age, only a tiny number ever even got into the UK charts.

I THINK the only ones were:
From the Epstein stable:
The Beatles
Gerry and the Pacemakers
Billy J Kramer and the Dakotas
Cilla Black
The Fourmost

Other management:
The Searchers
The Merseybeats
The Swinging Blue Jeans

Everyone else was either a southern poofter or an adolescent fad that got famous after the whole thing was over.

Freddie Starr and the Midnighters got almost nowhere, though they were good to watch. But Freddie Starr, as a solo act, later got famous for inspiring one of the three greatest Sun headlines ever: "Freddie Starr Ate My Hamster"

The other two: 'Gotcha', and 'Super Cally Go Balistic, Celtiv Are Atrocious'