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Would you if you could?... move to Europe, that is.

Would you if you could?... move to Europe, that is.

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Old Jul 16th, 2008 | 01:34 PM
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Well, I moved to France, to the Perigord (Dordogne) 14 years ago from Canada, and have never had a regret.

The things we were lucky to have:
both of us fell in love with the area and wanted the same thing. We were both fed up with our corporate jobs, which didn't hurt. We've since met many people who don't agree, and who usually end up going back.

Both of us managed to have British, therefore European, passports. I was born in London, husband's father born in England. Made staying here somewhat easier.

The other lucky thing was that i agreed to teach English in the local school system, really just as a way to help our village school. Turns out I became a regular employee with health insurance rights. I stopped 6 or 7 years ago, and we had a bit of a scare late last year when the rules did change, and it looked like we might be in the group left out of the health insurance plan. However, all is now well and we are covered by France's excellent system.

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Old Jul 16th, 2008 | 01:38 PM
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Well, I moved to France, to the Perigord (Dordogne) 14 years ago from Canada, and have never had a regret.

The things we were lucky to have:
both of us fell in love with the area and wanted the same thing. We were both fed up with our corporate jobs, which didn't hurt. We've since met many people who don't agree, and who usually end up going back.

Both of us managed to have British, therefore European, passports. I was born in London, husband's father born in England. Made staying here somewhat easier.

The other lucky thing was that i agreed to teach English in the local school system, really just as a way to help our village school. Turns out I became a regular employee with health insurance rights. I stopped 6 or 7 years ago, and we had a bit of a scare late last year when the rules did change, and it looked like we might be in the group left out of the health insurance plan. However, all is now well and we are covered by France's excellent system.

We also did a lot of things to improve our luck, like working hard at French before we came, and working hard at getting to know people when we arrived. (Being asked to help out at the school didn't arrive from nowhere)

We came because we fell in love with this part of France, and were ready for a new life. Our two cats who cem with us didn't complain either.

People said how brave we were, but in fact it was something we felt we just had to do, and brave didn't enter into it. No desire to go back to Canada, and when we do go to visit family, we feel completely out of touch, and happy to come 'home' to France.
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Old Jul 16th, 2008 | 03:37 PM
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This is such an interesting post! And also interesting how it is resonating with so many people. I have dreamed about moving to Italy - maybe not forever, but for a few years. It does seem like it would be very difficult to find a job, but I'm taking Italian, because I think that is the first step. For me (an art and history lover) it would be such an incredible experience to be right there. And also - at mid life - as someone said "seize the day." I am anxious to get away from DC - the traffic the air, the race around. Oh I would so love it....it's lovely to see how many people are making that dream come true!
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Old Jul 17th, 2008 | 01:50 AM
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Carlux said
<People said how brave we were, but in fact it was something we felt we just had to do, and brave didn't enter into it.>

That's perfect! We moved to the UK but see it as only our first stop in our "live around the world" adventure. We hope that each subsequent move will take us to more and more exciting and exotic places. We get the brave comment too -- but it isn't about being brave at all. It's just doing what you feel you need to do. Thanks carlux for saying it so well!
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Old Jul 17th, 2008 | 02:49 AM
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travel2live,

We moved Aug 1, 2007 to London. And we love it. I am a CA as well, and my hubby is in IT. We actually changed careers after we were married so that we can do this.

Leaving family was sad, but it really hasnt been that bad. I have lived away from my family for over 10 years, so only saw them 2 times a year for a weekend here or there. My hubby's family just moved as well so we didnt see them much at all. To be honest we talk to our families more now hahahaha...and they are all coming out for 2-3 week trips likely every year where they will spend a week in London and then we will all go somewhere.

And of course facebook and our blog are great ways to keep up with everyone.

Have you pinpointed any specific towns yet?
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Old Jul 17th, 2008 | 03:40 AM
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suzG--sorry to disappoint you, but Italy also has traffic, bad air, and racing around. Of course, if you're just on vacation in Italy, the racing around part doesn't necessarily apply, but that's true anywhere, including your home country.
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Old Jul 17th, 2008 | 04:23 AM
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<i>suzG--sorry to disappoint you, but Italy also has traffic, bad air, and racing around.</i>

Amen. The larger Italian cities share the same problems that any large US city has, often even worse. Certainly, air quality and traffic are issues in any large European city, much as in the US.

This goes back to the point about thinking about why you are moving. If you want to move to Europe in a bid to slow down your life and get out of the rat race, I urge people to consider whether they are conflating a desire to slow down with a desire to move to Europe. Moving to Europe comes with a lot of hassles and challenges; if you are looking for natural beauty and a slower pace, then you might find you can get those in the US, at less cost and less hassle. For example, someone posted about how cheap rents in rural Italy are compared to Manhattan. Of course they are, just as rents in rural Vermont are a fraction of those in Manhattan. You don't need to move to Europe to get a nice apartment in a small town for a fraction of what you would pay in Manhattan.

Of course, many do want what Europe offers, in terms of historic villages or the appeal of London or Paris. The key is separating those Europe-only attributes from those that can be found elsewhere. Until you do that, and make an honest assessment of how much you value those different attributes, then I would say you haven't really thought it through.
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Old Jul 17th, 2008 | 05:14 AM
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In a heartbeat!
Maybe not forever, but at least 6 months to a couple years.
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Old Jul 17th, 2008 | 05:22 AM
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We moved to Edinburgh 2.5 years ago and absolutely love it! We're on a 3-year contract for my husband's job but are starting the process to get permanent visas to stay... and maybe one day citizenship? We love living here and are so thrilled that we took the leap. We're also under 30 and don't have kids yet so it was really easy to move.

I think what made it easier for me is that there was nowhere in the states that felt like 'home' to me - none of my family still lives where I grew up, my parents divorced and live on opposite sides of the country and my brother is still in school and has no plans for after graduation. Both of our families are scattered all over the states and up through Alaska so there isn't really a centre for us.

We love so many things about living here... the 'free' health care (I went without in the states for a couple years so really appreciate it!), the fact that we don't have a car and hardly notice, the amazing travel opportunities... the list goes on forever. When we decide to have children I'll have a full year off from work to care for my baby, we have 6 weeks of holiday time a year... it's so incredible to live like this I still can't believe how lucky we are.

We might return to the states one day - or move to Australia - or Munich (I love Munich!) - or really anywhere, I can't rule anything out, but for now we're planning on staying here.

Zappole - your description of your home sounds lovely, maybe we'll get to live there one day!
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Old Jul 17th, 2008 | 05:54 AM
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I'm glad you put 'free' in quotes for the health care. Of course it isn't 'free,' just paid for in advance with taxes.
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Old Jul 17th, 2008 | 06:56 AM
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I agree with Travelgourmet's above statement. All this talk about moving to Europe for a slower pace is a bit puzzling to me. As big as the U.S. is, there are plenty of places to move to that have a slower pace. I have plenty of friends in various countries in Europe and who are living in a rat race lifestyle and always complaining about it.
I think that many people, who are in Europe, on vacation come back to the U.S. with this idealized vision that things are slower. Well, yeah, they're on vacation and not having to work and do the things that people do in their everyday &quot;regular&quot; lives. Just my opinion on the issue. Happy Travels!

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Old Jul 17th, 2008 | 07:31 AM
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<i>I have plenty of friends in various countries in Europe and who are living in a rat race lifestyle and always complaining about it.</i>

Both my wife and I work as hard and as many hours in Europe as we did in the US. There are certainly no 2 hour lunches over a glass of wine in a quaint cafe or traipsing off to the market every day to get my pick of the fresh produce. If anything, we find many of our days more compressed, as we find ourselves racing home to get to the store before it closes, or getting up early on Saturday, because everything starts shutting down by 1pm.

Our free time is regimented in a way it never was in the US, due to the fact that it is so much less convenient to complete day-to-day errands when and where you want to complete them. For instance, my wife and I used to often have friends over for Sunday dinners when we lived in the US. It was sort of our thing. My buddy and I would head out early Sunday afternoon to pick up the fixin's for dinner and we would spend the better part of Sunday evening cooking and chatting and drinking. Here, if I want to cook up a feast on Sunday, it means I have to shop on Saturday. Spur of the moment cravings for braised short ribs are doomed by the fact that your shopping choices are the 7-Eleven or the Thai Supermarket (which is maybe 1/10th of the size of the Asian supermarket we went to in the US).
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Old Jul 17th, 2008 | 07:43 AM
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Ditto to the two posts above.

One interesting thing has come up in terms of job seeking: some international recruiters we have talked to say they won't even consider candidates who haven't lived in Europe for at least a couple of years because the people who have only traveled to Europe on holiday or as students or have lived abroad just a year or so still have much too much a rose-colored view of what life is really like.
We've lived in a few European countries for almost a decade now. Some places we have liked MUCH more than others.

Also, remember, that no matter where you go, the one thing that always travels with you is YOU. Moving to Europe won't be an &quot;escape&quot; from the things in your personality or outlook that may drag you down at home. If, for example, you're short-tempered or disorganized in the U.S., you won't automatically become serene and orderly in Europe. Your character, both the good and the bad, will remain essentially the same and so will that of any loved ones who move with you.
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Old Jul 17th, 2008 | 08:01 AM
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&quot; Spur of the moment cravings for braised short ribs are doomed by the fact that your shopping choices are the 7-Eleven or the Thai Supermarket (which is maybe 1/10th of the size of the Asian supermarket we went to in the US).&quot;


if no other, that would definitely be a good argument to deter anyone contemplating living in Europe!
LOL
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Old Jul 17th, 2008 | 09:27 AM
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YES! No problem relocating... the problem lies in the WHERE? It would be very difficult determining where I ended up... Would I want a flat in Munich or a country home in Alsace? An apartment in Paris or a seaside villa in Santa Margherita? Ahhh, the decisions, the decisions!
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Old Jul 18th, 2008 | 06:17 AM
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It may sound silly to some, but one of the most difficult things for me to give up would be US football, college and pro.
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Old Jul 18th, 2008 | 06:47 AM
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I ran into a couple from Ireland this week. Their views? Ireland has changed so much, people have money coming out of their ears, the pace of life is hectic, and they envied our relaxed lifestyle in the American West.

Reminds me of the poem: &quot;Ill fares the land with hastening ills a prey, where wealth accumulates and men decay.&quot;
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Old Jul 18th, 2008 | 06:47 AM
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Many citizens within the EU and Schengen countries are now moving to other countries. Switzerland has been literally invaded by the Germans (which we don't mind) and England has a huge population of Poles.

I wonder how this new influx will change Europe in the next few decades?
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Old Jul 18th, 2008 | 07:16 AM
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Schuler: let us not overlook the Turkification of Germany. The tensions building will some day reach an explosion point.
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Old Jul 18th, 2008 | 11:07 AM
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<i>It may sound silly to some, but one of the most difficult things for me to give up would be US football, college and pro.</i>

Testify!

We get 2 NFL games per week, but it is tough giving up college ball. The internet helps, but it isn't the same. College basketball is non-existent, as well. The Europeans don't know what they are missing...
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