xxx

Give it up, Cynthia, you've been busted. No one is going to take your itinerary seriously. Anyone who says they will have a "relaxing" two days in Paris spending one at Disney and one at Versailles, and covering the whole city of Paris itself in the early morning hours and nights is not playing with a full deck, and has done a pretty bad job of trying to pretend they are serious about this. And you're going to tour London in an hour and a half or so before catching the late morning train to Paris?<BR>Why do you ask what there is to see in Madrid and say it is a priority, since if you are going from Paris by train you will arrive there in the middle of the night and you are leaving early the next morning? Obviously you won't see Madrid.

cynthia

Oh heavens, is that what time I would arrive in Madrid, never checked the train schedule but thanks bunches!

patg

No one has commented on the obvious flaw in logic here. If Cynthia's husband is so very, very, active, why would he want to spend 75% of his vacation with his tush parked in a train or car seat? I can't wait until the trip report where they both get sick and have to do this itinerary from hell while suffering with diarhea.<BR><BR>To Shain - pulling my (your) leg means we are kidding. Isn't there an equivalent expression in German - pulling your arm, or ear or hair or something? My memory is poor, but I remember being told this.

cynthia

Please just give me your honest suggestions and leave off the cutting comments. I truly do understand if someone does not agree with the rush of my itinerary but I am unable to understand why someone would need to make vulgar comments about diarrhea and having sex in every city.<BR>I am looking at my options now in order to trim and rearrange, however, the flights are already set.<BR>thanks bunches

Rex

Okay, I'll fall for this (the very best trolls always leave us unsure - - "might this person be serious?")<BR><BR>And this is a legitimate question: I'm booked to fly into Shannon and fly back out of Rome ten days later, and I haven't though through my itinerary very well. What would make sense as an itinerary, and not spend inappropriate time nor money, getting from place to place?<BR><BR>I'd say start with three days in Ireland, then fly from Shannon or Dublin to London, Brussels or Paris on www.ryanair.com - - spend the next three-four days "there" (depnds on which "there" you choose) - - then fly to Italy - - Stansted to Treviso, Pisa, Brescia or Rome and spend three or four days in Italy.<BR><BR>Tell me what part in the middle would appeal to you most, and I'll help provide additional suggestions, at least for the second and third segments. I don't consider myself expert about Ireland.<BR>

xxx

Rex, I'm ashamed of you, my hero. How could you possibly even think for a minute that this person is serious? Especially after the Madrid comments?<BR>You are right, the best trolls leave us unsure, but this one is not a good troll, it is apparent she is pulling our collective legs as well as various other appendages.

janis

Cynthia is so obviously a troll that it is scary she MIGHT be legit. <BR><BR>A lot of misguided people ask here about itineraries covering London, Paris, Ireland, Edinburgh - being sure to visit "the Highlands" - in a week; or have 5 days in London and wnat to know about 4 day trips out of the city; or want to drive from Paris to Munich in a day seeing everything along the way.<BR><BR>So it is possible (barely) that Cynthia is for real. <BR><BR>Cynthia - PLEASE say it isn't so, and we will all be relieved.<BR><BR>Into Shannon and out of Rome in 10 days? -- then spend the first 5 days in Ireland and then fly to Rome and spend the last 5 days there. Simple enough.

Shain

Dare Cynthia,<BR>if you have these tickets(maybe I'm the only one who believe in you), take my advice.<BR>Take your husband to Shannon,<BR>fly to London, take the Eurostar to Paris and fly to Rome -<BR>nothing less and nothing more.<BR>You may make it - and it won't be too bad.<BR>Or - better skip rome - change your tickets, accept a reasonable cancellation fee fly to London and than on to Paris - not enough for those cities but you ll find a lot of day and night activities around !!! Take my advice if you want more infoes how to arrange - mail me.<BR><BR>To xx - thanks for your hint. In german we say: "Sie h&auml;lt dich zum Narren",<BR>means - she takes you for a fool !<BR>Thanks all of you - maybe I'm too naiv, but I like people to give good sense of what europe is about if you never have been here - it is different from the US.<BR>I hope you don find it arrogant of me to say so!<BR>Shain/Germany/D&uuml;sseldorf

Rex

I'm not sure that xxx is asking me to defend myself, but I figure that (assuming this is a troll), the best counter-measure is to make up my own ANSWERable question, and provide a workable solution. "Five days Ireland, five days Rome" is also an answer - - but gives no clue how to do that affordably.<BR><BR>If cynthia IS for real, my answer is usable.<BR>

patg

Cynthia, if you are for real, I apologize for my flip answer. I did not think this was a serious post. I can see that if you loved visiting Europe and want your husband to see it, too, that you might get kind of drunk on the idea and schedule way too much - especially if you may not make it back for a long time.<BR><BR>I am sure of one thing, however. If you do too much in too little time on a too-tight schedule with a weary, jet-lagged confused husband, he will absolutely HATE Europe and refuse to go back.

Shain

Hi, I agree with patg. ,<BR>you will def not return with yr husband.<BR>Than safe the money and stay where u are, safe holidays and return with a much bigger time to spend or just accept the fact that it is too much to see, hear and eat. Than you will love it and can nit await to return a scond or third time !!<BR>Shain/Germany/D&uuml;sseldorf

cynthia

Believe me, I understand how one might consider this message insincere since many on here tend to ask ridiculous questions. But please don't lump all of us in with a select few. <BR>I do want my husband to see it all and as odd as that may sound to some it remains how we feel. My husband feels uncomfortable flying and would prefer not to cross the atlantic on an eight hour flight too many times.<BR>again, thanks bunches

janis

Cynthia - if your husband hates flying nothing about your itinerary will convince him to try again. Ten days can be a wonderful trip - but your plan really is overly ambitious. My idea of 5 days in Ireland and 5 days in Italy is still too much, but given your tickets into Shannon and out of Rome it seems the only realistic one. Ireland to England to France to Italy in 10 days means you will be spending 5 full days of your ten in airports, in train stations and on planes/trains. You will be totally jet lagged the first day so now you are down to 9 days. With the early check-in requirements in Rome you are now down to 8+ days. take 5 travel days out of that and you actually have little more than 3 sightseeing days for four countries. This is not an exaggeration. Now, would your husband think that is worth the hassle - think not. <BR><BR>So fly into Shannon, spend 4 or 5 days touring the west and southwest. Then go ack to Shannon and fly to Italy - Milan or Florence are good choices. Spend five days between Milan or Florence and Rome and fly home from there.<BR><BR>This is still too rushed but at least you will see SOMETHING, besides the insides of terminals and stations.

Not

Thanks bunches? Thanks bunches? Sounds like Marilyn Monroe.

Rex

To janis:<BR><BR>Perhaps I "dissed" your plan of flying from Ireland to Italy too quickly. I figured that it requires a stop or change somewhere - - might as well turn that into a third destination country.<BR><BR>But non-stop service is available cheaper than I anticipated - - DUB-MIL non-stop, for example on Aer Lingus from $168 (roundtrip - - throw away the return); to Rome from $219 (on Alitalia). In June. Note: taxes and fees add about $25 to these fares - - using Travelocity is getting to be a bigger pain all the time to find out these things.<BR><BR>I'd still do it (cheaper) - - on RyanAir, or other low-cost carriers - - but it depends on whether the intermediate destination(s) is/are considered worthwhile or not.<BR>

yyy

xxx (and Cynthia): xxx, I think your suggestion to try to fit Australia -let alone China- into Cynthia's itinery is MUCH too ambitious. Instead of "relaxing" in Venice for 2 nights, I think they would be better off staying just 1. That way the next a.m. they could catch a flight to Stockholm, and spend the day there. Fly to Oslo that evening and sleep there instead of Venice. That way they could see Oslo in the morning, catch a flight to Copenhagen for an afternoon tour, then fly to Florence/Tuscany that evening to continue on with the rest of the itinery that Cynthia has planned. What do you and Cynthia think of this suggestion? I might add that although it might be a fairly long flight to Stockholm, they wouldn't have to contend with the jet lag problem they would encounter by flying over to Perth. If they had another 3 days for vacation time, I would say,xxx, that your recommended itinery would be excellent. On second thought, if they didn't stop to kiss the Blarney stone and left out Disney, they could probably fit in Australia, but I doubt China.

janine

If you want to enjoy yourselves, pick one country and do two maybe three cities/towns.<BR>You're not seeing anything on a schedule like that.<BR>and Eurodisney? Instead of Paris?

janis

janine: Of course you are correct. Unfortunately, they already have purchased tickets into Shannon and out of Rome. So doing one country is impossible.

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gengis

i have not decided if you are just a plain troll or incapable of seeing reallity. you need to increase yoour meds dear