IMDonehere

I was going to let this die, until the final comment.

You wrote:
To be clear. I am speaking of American factorys

One is hopeful there is a proofreader for these standards.
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You wrote in respond the fact there some misunderstanding of your responses.

You wrote:
4 is not so many

But if safety is the concern, four can be four too many.
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Languages can be tricky and the last things people usually learn in a new language is the subtleties of humor and technical terms. But as the US falls further and further behind other countries in the sciences, we will need the help of people who speak all types of languages. And I am sure some of them will work in the automotive industry.

travelgourmet

<I>As far as getting a job in any EU country, I suggest you read about the obstacles for non-EU citizens.</I>

Some countries require nothing more than a minimum income to get a work permit.

<I>Travelgourmet
A US citizen can not even enter France illegally
Some of you missed the point.I am not speaking of finding the job and then coming here.</I>

I got the point. You just happen to be wrong. Italy alone sees something like 100k undocumented immigrants every year. I don't think so many would come, year after year, if it were impossible to find a job. Much as in the US, I'd think that the agricultural sector, household help, cleaning services, etc. would be the best places to look for work if you are an illegal immigrant.

My cleaning lady when I lived in Denmark might very well have been undocumented - I don't know - but we paid her under the table and she spoke neither English nor Danish.

gigi69

Palenq Its a job requirement to read and speak English to assemble cars at TABC and Cataler. Of course anyone can sweep.

It is a law have a green card or work visa,which is what I repeated over and over.You do not understand.You are taking away what you want from my statements.America is full of undocumented workers who do not even try to speak English.

IMDonehere
Look over your last post. I see at least one mistake.
I never said that people need to speak fluent English.
I learned how to make slurry and build catalytic converters from
Japanese engineers who spoke limited English.But I learned some Japanese
because I wanted the job.

I have no tolerance for people who break the law and are to lazy to learn any English expecting the manager to learn his language.Its about give and take.Enough has been taken from American workers.My brother was 48 when he was laid off and replaced by illegals willing to work for less than minimum wage.
We lost him to depression and other things last Thanksgiving.
That may be why I feel so strongly.

PalenQ

How many Americans want to pick veggies in California hot sun from daybreak to sunset at less than the minimum wage - NONE - if we did not have guest workers or illegals we'd pay a whole lot more for our veggies - and IMD - you have my solace about your brother and I understand your angst about illegals - my point is that illegals are filling a job need no American would take - I say a minimum wage of $13-20/hr for ALL jobs would change that quickly.

gigi69

My brother worked in textiles at the same company for 30 years. He made $13 PER HR.

gigi69

Travelgourmet,
The US has 11 million illegals.That is alot more than 100k.Noone here was complaining about the maids,but I dont want them building Boeings,BMWs and Toyotas.They take more jobs than you mentioned.Some people liked their
$13 per hr jobs.

gigi69

Thanks PalenQ for at least getting my feelings.

travelgourmet

<I>The US has 11 million illegals.That is alot more than 100k.</I>

The 100k was only Italy and only those entering in a single year.

<I>Noone here was complaining about the maids,but I dont want them building Boeings,BMWs and Toyotas.</I>

I don't think anyone with half a brain seriously believes there are large numbers of undocumented immigrants, not fluent in English, working in high-skill factory jobs.

<I>They take more jobs than you mentioned.</I>

Sure.

<I>Some people liked their
$13 per hr jobs.</I>

Then I'd recommend gaining skills. Like how to spell "factories" and "Kaizen".

gigi69

Travelsnob,
You have no clue.Do you even know what 6 Sigma is? Have you ever laid off 25 people? Can you define Kaizen? I love my job. I miss my brother,and know for sure that many Americans have lost good jobs. Unless you are from North Carolina and have witnessed the losses,you should just keep quiet.

I have a job,maybe you should read my post again.I have plenty of skills.I make my sure my spelling is perfect at work.I do not seek your approval,as you do not sign my paycheck.

If you read,I am happy that South Carolina is not going to let illegals
build airplanes and automobiles.

travelgourmet

<I>Do you even know what 6 Sigma is?</I>

Yes.

<I>Have you ever laid off 25 people?</I>

Yes.

<I>Can you define Kaizen?</I>

Yes.

<I>If you read, I am happy that South Carolina is not going to let illegals
build airplanes and automobiles.</I>

If you read, you'll note that I think it is silly to think one needs the state to ensure that "illegals" don't build airplanes and automobiles. The entire notion that this is a problem is absurd. Frankly, I am still holding out some hope that this whole thing has been some sort of gag, because believing that there are people out there that believe this stuff makes me sad.

gigi69

Travelsnob you are sad,mean and in denial.

IMDonehere

It is ironic that you work for a Japanese company in a state where the literacy rate is way below the American average especially in math and science. Toyota gets a tax breaks and who knows what else that is not disclosed to be in SC. Yet you speak haughtily about the level of English needed.

6 Sigma is when senior management doesn't know how to manage. American management is so insecure they do not trust their instincts and need metrics to justify their firings, because they too cowardly to do so otherwise. Knowing 6 Sigma and Kaizen are not indications of sophistication but an indication that a company is bloodless and cowardly.

Studies have shown have that MBA's have the highest rate of cheating on exams among all the post-graduate majors. But that is not illegal, that is doing what is needed.

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aw7s9m0BmcBo

gigi69

You really dont read do you? I wrote that I am from Califonia. Due to cut backs my department was moved to North Carolina. Ha Im done here.

sparkchaser

6 Sigma is such BS.

IMDonehere

Too many Carolinas. Just add me to list of people confused by your written English.

Worse than 6 Sigma is when they bring in a consultant like McKinsey. You have explain your job to them, so they make recommendations on how you should do it, and then they leave without one iota of accountability. More MBA's.

gigi69

IMDonehere
You are one of the four people on the list. I have lived in more than one state. Why is that hard for you to understand?
Cowboy1968 wrote
Or it's the other way around that skilled employees that want a job will learn German. Unless you work in the international sales department, the overseas subsidiaries or already quite high in management, the ability to converse in English is no relevant asset.

He is referring to Germany. I am referring to USA.

gigi69

travelgourment wrote
Nonsense. English is the language of business. In a globalized economy - which the Dutch embrace enthusiastically - it is impractical to expect everyone to learn every language. One year, my wife spent time for work in something like 30 countries (including a lot of time in Holland). It would be impossible to learn all of those languages.

Again That's what I'm talking about.

PalenQ

You tend not to pick up much of the local language IME if everyone seems to speak fluent English.

gigi69

PalenQ
I agree with you
But USA has so much diversity that it
Is impossible for managers to learn all of the different languages.
I found that even Spanish is a little different if you have Costa Ricans
Mexicans,Brazilians who speak no English at all.

I should have taken the time to better explain.
There's plenty of jobs for non English speaking employees.
A company where every employee has spoken English for over 100 years was not a smart fit.






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IMDonehere

Gigi

If your English was better, you would not be confusing so many people.