NYCFoodSnob

Sorry, capo, if I struck a dissonant chord. I understand (the sensitive musician). There's nothing more charming (or juvenile) than a guy who would use a smiley face to soften the blow of a bitter and angry dig.

Grinisa, practically every tour guide in Rome tells that same rivalry story as they address their group in front of that fountain. The majority of visitors to Rome make lousy art historian "students." You can't imagine the erroneous "facts" I've overheard through the years by the so-called experts. Let's hang out in the Forum sometime. I'll bring lunch.

I think Steves would privately admit he's no historian and plays fast and loose with facts and details. The truth is, he's encouraged a very large group of people to travel that, otherwise, might not have, and I think that's a good thing. I doubt his imperfections would ruin anyone's trip. Every guide book has its flaws.

I firmly believe everyone should visit the great art and architecture of this world at least once in their life, regardless of budget, income or level of education. Rick Steves' unique brand of travel has brought joy to millions and that accomplishment deserves credit.

The_Pixies

I don't think Rick recommends 1 day and two nights in a major city at all. I think he does know that he caters to a crowd that likes to travel at a quicker pace than many on this forum.

I also don't find his accomodations to be low end at all (travelling on Canadian dollars in fact I often can't afford his recommendations!!).

Scarlett

Having only seen one of his shows, I can not say that there is anything about sleeping in a barn and eating with some farmers family that stirs great jealousy in my heart.
I really prefer traveling the way I do, stay in a nice hotel and not have to carry my luggage on my back walking through the countryside. Even my backpacking children seemed to have traveled better than Rick S did on that show! But then maybe, all of his trips don't include the red faced wife and kids tagging along while they trudge up a hill carrying big heavy backpacks?
OR is that just for the cameras?
I have never really used a Travel Guide by a particular person, Fodors, Frommers, etc..but not a single persons.
This site is the best for travel and restaurant information! Who needs Rick Steves?
*disclaimer*
this was said in a Light manner, please do not take offence if you looove RS~

USNR

Rick is young enough to be my son, but I would congratulate him for his efforts to help tourists overcome one emotion: fear.

How many times have I heard people my age say that they wished they had gone to Europe when they...were younger...had their spouse been alive...when the dollar was stronger...when they had their health...had someone to go with them...and on and on and on.

Rick and all those loveable and unloveable characters from "Lonely Planet" (I especially get a kick out of the scrapes run into by Ian) have helped people overcome the fear of the unknown and add a little adventure to their humdrum lives...if they only would get out the rut. Bravo, Rick! Bravo, Ian!

Grinisa

NYFS, lunch in the Forum would be great; wonder if Steves would describe it as the medieval forum. Yes, it's true there are many guides that still tell that bogus rivalry tale, but Steves has plenty of researchers at his disposal and he should at least try to get the facts straight if he bothers to relate a story to millions of television viewers.

artlover

I use his books (as well as Fodors, Frommers, EyeWitness and several others) as well as his website, and this one and several others. He provides another great resource and I value the information.

I live in Seattle and have gone to his free workshops in Edmunds and they too have been very helpful.

I've loved some of his recommendations--Hostal Cardenal in Toledo, for one, and have been disappointed with others--Hotel Europa in Madrid and Hotel Continental in Barcelona. As another poster said, he seems to love Rue Cler, which I like, but don't love, and some of his restaurant recommendations are good, others, just so-so.

But overall, I think he provides a very useful service.

Sue4

You can count me, also, an admirer of Rick Steves. For the same reasons most of the other posters had stated. I generally don't use his hotels, but have on occasion, and found them quite acceptable. When planning my travel, I use MANY guidebooks, this forum, plus other internet research. His books have very useful BASIC information that many other books lack.

Several years ago, I went to Paris solo after about 40 years since my last trip there as a teenager. Rick's book was terrific, and a comfort (and light to carry!) My style of traveling is not at all like his (I prefer to stay in one general area longer), but I certainly benefitted from his guidebook.

Sue_xx_yy

A recent thread on this board discusses a malaise of the modern man: information overload. The paradox is that the more detailed an explanation of anything, be it a country/city or the clock setting feature on a VCR, the less likely it will succeed as an explanation.

In other words, products that worsen the overload tend to fail. Products that help one to start making order out of information overload succeed. Rick Steves falls into the latter category.

He has my admiration, therefore, as a travel engineer. (He also has my money, as I have eight of his books so far.) As to his sermons on culture, the less I say about those, the better. But hey, I don't expect anyone to be all things to all people.

suze

Go to www.ricksteves.com and you'll find plenty of people who adore Rick Steves!

Love him or hate him I think he is incredibly helpful, especially for people new to European travel and on a moderate budget. I think he can give a mainstream neophyte traveler the courage to go it on their own, rather than sign up for a packaged tour. Posters on Fodors mostly travel a bit more upscale and have been abroad multiple times. So maybe feel his advice is elementary, or insulting, or not applicable to their situations?

Personally I have never used his guidebooks while on a trip, but consider "Europe through the Backdoor" essential reading for anyone new to Europe and/or foreign travel.

Rich

and . . ya just gotta admire a guy who would moon a tour boat on the Seine . .

rj007

I have had the chance to meet and talk with Rick on several occasions. He has always been gracious and helpful in his answers to my questions. I enjoy his shows. I used to enjoy the Travel Channel until new management took over and ruined what was an excellent source of information.

I have used some of his guidebooks - most of the places that I used were just fine. I love the Rue Cler neighborhood in Paris. I stayed on a quiet tree-lined street in Berlin. Last month I stayed in a very nice hotel in Rome and got a 30% reduction on the room by mentioning his name.
The Graffiti Wall on his website is another good source of information for places you might never have found.
His website is just one of many places I look at as I never tire of reading about Europe.
I don't agree with his political views but everyone is entitled to their opinion. And as other posters have pointed out he has encouraged many people to travel to Europe who might not have otherwise.

I have long adhered to his ideas of traveling light. It never ceases to amaze me to see people bring half a dozen giant suitcases to Europe. One carryon bag works fine for me (I never have had any lost luggage). Having a laundry where you can drop your clothes off and pick them up the next day is nice.

wesley

Maybe Grinisa can clarify her historian facts. (One can find medieval in the Forum if you know where to look.)

The rivalry between Bernini and Borromini is well documented because both artists competed for the same patronage, with Pope Innocent X (1644-1655) favoring Borromini and Pope Alexander VII Chigi (1655-1667), favoring Bernini, and Pamphilj money paying for some of the greatest works.

What makes their story more fascinating is its class-war element, with Borromini from a working class family and Bernini's family being nobles. Throw in the fact that Bernini served under the patronage of eight popes, lived until the rare old age of 81, at one point hired Borromini to help with St. Peter's, and Borromini committed suicide at the age of 68, what more does any art historian or third rate guide need?

One can argue that the legendary stories surrounding the Rio de la Plata and the River Nile and their relationship to S. Agnese are, indeed, just stories. But I've always enjoyed contemplating the mystery behind such rumor and innuendo, especially when the stories revolve around these two geniuses.

I watch Rick Steves on PBS, sometimes, but I don't travel like him.

StCirq

I think if the people on this board who know what they're talking about concerning cetain areas of certain countries banded together, they could provide serious competition to Steves, who in my opinion is still a babe in the woods when it comes to Europe. I mean, here at Fodors we actually have people who can speak European languages, which is always a big entreée into local society that Rick is always waxing poetic about. Why not create a guide that is even better than Rick's (not that i've ever used it - I haven't ever since reading that he thought that the dordogne was too far for anyone to visit - fine with me

coldwar27

I suppose I am a fan. I use to watch the shows on PBS and drool about going to Europe. I couldn't find anyone to go with me to the cities/site that I wanted to see so I decided to go on one of his tours last summer. I spent time on my own in Europe but did a two week France tour as well. I was really glad I did. While there always seems to be an air of arrogance with Rick, there was none of that on the actual tour. Interestingly, we ran into Rick in a couple of cities as he was shooting for the next season and he was somewhat standoffish but again, not enough to make me never tour with them again. It was a good first time to Europe alone experience. We did go to nonchain restaurants and charming hotels but I thought that was part of the great experience. We also didn't have to worry about optional tours for more money that I think is almost standard on other tours.

rj007

I would hardly classify Rick as a babe in the woods. The man has been going to Europe for 35 years. He spends 3 months in Europe every year updating his guidebooks. He is on the road several weeks a year in the U.S. lecturing and teaching about Europe. He is getting paid to do something he loves. He has put together a successful company that leads thousands of people to Europe every year.

His style of travel may not be for everyone, but as been discussed on this board countless times, there are different ways to travel. The important thing is to enjoy your vacation.

I will never take his tours as I prefer independent travel. But lots of other people will take his tours-many are repeat visitors.

I am getting ready for my 9th trip to Europe and the 3rd in the last 5 months. I will be going again later this year. One reason I can go frequently is I don't waste money on overpriced hotels or overpriced restaurants. I stay in nice B&B's owned by people who in some cases have become an extended family for me. There are plenty of places to get a nice meal without having to fork over a gold card.

Grinisa

My comment about the Forum was obviously tongue in cheek. However, I wouldn't put it past R. Steves to latch onto the fact that the church of Santa Maria in Antiqua is in the Forum and thus refer to the Forum as "medieval." Bernini and Borromini may have been rivals, but it doesn't take that much effort to discover that Bernini completed the Fountain of the Four Rivers two years before Borromini even began work on the facade of Sant Agnese in Agone.

Giovanna

I have mixed feelings about Rick Steves. We have watched him on PBS many times and find some of the series entertaining. I think I admired him more before we starting going to Europe yearly and expanding our horizons, both in terms of how to travel and about Europe itself in general.

I have only one of his books (Spain)and found it somewhat helpful, although his maps are laughable. Contrary to ArtLover's opinion, we were satisfied with the Hotel Europa in Madrid and would probably stay there again, assuming it has remained as it was when we stayed there. It was inexpensive, clean and we loved the location.

The only other thing we have used and was helpful was a guide to Pompeii which I found on his site, printed out and took with us.

More power to him, however, and I too envy his ability to make a very good living by doing something all of us here love: traveling!

BTilke

I'm one of those who think little of Rick Steves (when I think of him at all, which is seldom). After all these years, you'd think he'd learn to speak more of the various European languages than some butchered phrases.
And all his "live like the locals" by staying and eating cheap is silly. Plenty of Europeans spring for 4 star hotels and nice restaurants on their travels; to suggest that you won't see/can't meet "natives" traveling in first class style is just plain ludicrous. Also, he finds a few "off the beaten path" places and then goes back to them over and over and over, drawing his crowds behnd him. OTOH, I should be grateful that he sticks to his own path so closely--it leaves so many places in Europe as beautiful and charming (or more so!) as his "finds" still relatively untouched.
I suppose he's fine for novice travelers. When I was first going to Europe on my own, I lived by my Let's Go guides. I put RS in the same category as Let's Go, only he writes for an older crowd.

Woody

I have used books by Rick Steves, as well as by others, while planning trips to Europe. But if I take one book with me, it is usually his. I find my trips are enriched by the information and tips he offers.

I have attended some of his free travel seminars in Edmonds, Washington, and would recommend them to anyone wanting to learn more about European travel destinations.

Woody

LaurenSKahn

I have said this before: The only reason Rick Steves attracts all the attention (and hostility from self proclaimed experts) is that people are envious of him.

If you think you can write a better guidebook, by all means do it, but shut up about Rick Steves. He is not worth a gazillion threads on travel message boards. If you don't like the Steves' guidebooks, don't buy them.

Rick Steves fills a niche. His market is inexperienced timid travelers. I see nothing wrong with marketing to that niche. While I do not own any of his guidebooks, I would never trash him for not speaking foreign languages, not being suave enough, making mistakes in his guidebooks, staying in budget hotels, etc. You do know, by the way, that ALL guidebooks have mistakes--and things change just as soon as the books are published.

Wouldn't we all like to be paid the big bucks Rick Steves earns for traveling in Europe? Again, I think a good piece of this is plain and simple jealousy.