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Old Apr 18th, 2014, 08:05 AM
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Yet more taking of a comment out of context and adding your own silly additions to it to make it something you can decry.

Where in anything I wrote aliced did you read that I wear a down jacket to dinner? The ONLY thing I suggested about down is that it has the highest warmth to weight ratio of any material. Care to disagree with that?

Why don't you tell me what you would pack for this 2 day trip. It's June and you are in Grindelwald, Switzerland. You are going to WALK from Grindelwald to Faulhorn where you will spend the night at the Berghotel Faulhorn. It's a moderate 5 hour hike up. The hotel is the oldest and highest hotel in Switzerland. http://www.berghotel-faulhorn.ch/index_eng.html
Dinner is whatever they are serving that night. This is a pretty basic hotel indeed.

Getting up early the next morning you head down the other side of the Faulhorn. The initial descent is steep, snow covered in places and therefore a bit tricky. It's also quite cold since you are in the shadow of the mountain.

It gets better as you drop in altitude, the total drop will be 2000m over around 7 hours of hiking to get you to the Grand Hotel Giessbach. http://www.giessbach.ch/about-the-grandhotel.html

Checking in wearing hiking clothes will not see anyone bat an eye even though most people would say this is a pretty upmarket hotel indeed. Your room will run you from say 300CHF to 700CHF. Around $350 US plus.

Dinner for 2 in the hotel's Les Cascades restaurant will run you around 300CHF/340USD with wine, quite easily. I mention the cost as it often makes people think it will indicate what would be suitable dress. It isn't the communal meal you had up at the Faulhorn with other hikers in other words.

So, just 2 days aliced. You need to pack for perhaps a warm day hiking up to Faulhorn, be prepared for rain just in case. You will need to be prepared for cold weather on the second morning. Not freezing but definitely chilly, you will want to keep moving to keep warm for the start at least. Then you arrive at Giessbach which is upmarket and you will need to pack for what you are comfortable wearing for dinner in the restaurant there.

In case you think no one would go from one extreme to another like this, let me tell you first that my wife and I have done just this and that it is not that uncommon.
Here is the basic hike and stops being suggested as a 2 day trip from Interlaken. http://wiki.epfl.ch/aw-ch/interlaken

Also bear in mind this is not done in isolation. It is quite likely part of a longer trip. Yet you have to carry all your belongings with you. City stuff and hiking stuff and whatever you are carrying it in.

Now tell me what you would pack aliced and tell me what in and how much it would all weigh. A wheeled suitcase weighing 40lbs. is not likely to make you happy.

My wife can do this with under 11 lbs. and still look 'fashionable' enough to feel comfortable anywhere including an upmarket hotel or restaurant. She isn't an 'average tourist' by any means.
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Old Apr 18th, 2014, 08:25 AM
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http://www.fodors.com/community/euro...ek-sojourn.cfm

More of the same.
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Old Apr 18th, 2014, 01:15 PM
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it must be a laugh a minute in the dulcius household as they pack to go on a trip - the endless debates about whether they've got room for the dinner jacket, the cocktail dress and the hiking boots in their tiny valises.
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Old Apr 19th, 2014, 06:59 AM
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Actually, I would guess there is far less debate about what to pack in my house than in the households of those posting about taking their pashminas and 4 pair of shoes.

My wife likes to remind me every once in a while that she needs one hour to get ready to go. It goes along the lines of, 'if you were thinking of surprising me with a trip to X, just remember I only need an hour's notice to be packed and ready to go.' In other words, feel free to surprise me any time and I don't need a week's notice.

How long do you need annhig? Rather than speculating how long it takes in my household, tell me how long it takes in your household.
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Old Apr 19th, 2014, 07:48 AM
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How long do you need annhig? Rather than speculating how long it takes in my household, tell me how long it takes in your household.>>

roughly half a day, since you ask, dulcius. I have a list for each person [already on the computer, I just print it out] and amend for season/destination. [eg no warm clothes to Sri lanka]. I think it's worth taking a bit of time and care, I like to use packing cubes as these are really useful if you are moving around, and if there's a weight/space issue, I want to make sure that I make maximum use of every inch/pound.

I'm impressed that your wife takes only an hour, dulcius, but I suppose that it doesn't take long to pack the 11lbs of gear that you tell us you take with you - the little black number and the hiking gear and she's good to go. and of course the sense of humour [which must have done overtime over the years] doesn't weigh anything.
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Old Apr 19th, 2014, 02:16 PM
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But see, Bogarts are going away for 13 days, and I dont think they are hiking from one spot to another, but bully for you! We went to Switzerland for ten nights (there) and all I know my Lucas 21" weighed 29 lbs. No I didnt carry it on my back in Grindenwald, Wengen or Murren nor did I weigh my Marmot waterproof shell, pashmina or down jacket. Nor have I conducted heat/ratio tests but perhaps we can find a local lab to do so. Yes, annhig and dulcius, I have kept packing lists for our frequent and once visited destinations. If someone calls me to see if I can on an emergent basis go off with them to wherever, I too could be ready in an hour. With at least 4 prs of shoes. Do I love my stuff?? Abso-freaking-lutely! Don't like to buy necessities, prices outrageous in Europe. D
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Old Apr 19th, 2014, 02:18 PM
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Dulcius, hope you have a wonderful hike. Bogarts, pack whatever you love!
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Old Apr 19th, 2014, 02:29 PM
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So far, I have issued 3 specific challenges and so far only one of you has been willing to answer my challenge.

Sylvia doesn't want to post a picture. Alicd doesn't want to list what she would pack for the two day trip I described.

Annhig, congrats on being able to be ready in a half day. That's quite reasonable.

Aliced, I've spent a total of probably more than a year visiting Switzerland. Numerous trips of varying lengths from a week to a month. I've never needed (nor has my wife) to pack 29lbs. to do so. You're a tourist, not a traveller. That's fine, tourists are needed. But don't try to tell a traveller what's best, that's like an amateur trying to tell a pro.
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Old Apr 19th, 2014, 02:44 PM
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How did a question about what to pack for Amsterdam, Rome, Florence and Venice in May turn into what to pack for a hiking trip in Switzerland in June? I don't think the same criteria apply. And why is it about challenges for other posters to do things that have nothing to do with the question? And why do we all have to do things the same way?

And why am I posing all these rhetorical questions?
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Old Apr 19th, 2014, 02:51 PM
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"Sylvia doesn't want to post a picture."
Why on earth whould anyone ever answer such a "challenge"? On the internet?! Why do you want to see a photo of me, anyway? Because I mocked your worship of waiters and watches? You are, frankly, a bit of an ass.
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Old Apr 19th, 2014, 03:04 PM
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Personally, I love packing. It's part of the fun of travel for me, and I drag it out as much as possible. I make and revise lists, try on outfits, Go to the drug store and buy fun travel toiletries...it's kind of a blast.
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Old Apr 19th, 2014, 03:16 PM
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Unfortunately, I think Bogarts has left the room. Why woukd she stay?

Dulcie, what makes you think anyone here cares enough about your challenges to bother responding to them? Your arrogance is beyond the pale.
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Old Apr 19th, 2014, 03:20 PM
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He's doing the best he can, Cathie.
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Old Apr 19th, 2014, 03:22 PM
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Yes I guess so. I wonder if he realises that he provides OMG type of laughter across the globe each time he posts.
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Old Apr 19th, 2014, 03:52 PM
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Unfortunately he is almost single handedly ruining at least two of the forums (Travel Tips and here on Europe). I for one am no longer the least bit amused by his nasty crap - and I do wonder why the moderators let him stick around and continually attack people - they have nuked/suspended others for far less.

Between dul/Improvisor and sandralist/zeppole -- Fodors is simply no fun anymore . . .
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Old Apr 19th, 2014, 04:43 PM
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That's true Janisj. Newcomers must wonder what on earth is going on and it has to be the reason so many don't bother returning to their posts.
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Old Apr 19th, 2014, 04:50 PM
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<< Between dul/Improvisor and sandralist/zeppole -- Fodors is simply no fun anymore >>

I'm laughing myself silly after reading this thread. There have been some great comments here (although not by dul sex nor zeppole). How could you possibly say that fodors is not fun, janis?
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Old Apr 19th, 2014, 07:14 PM
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>>How could you possibly say that fodors is not fun, janis? <<

I guess with things going on in my personal life - having to daily fight off attacks by jerks like dul isn't my idea of 'fun' anymore.

Maybe its time for a break. (He's actually told me to quit posting since I'm so 'dumb/ill informed/boring/simple minded - you name it. I did think personal attacks and monopolizing threads was against the guidelines, but he seems to get a pass)
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Old Apr 20th, 2014, 02:22 AM
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And why am I posing all these rhetorical questions?

i don't know, Nikki, why does the sun rise in the east?

jj - please don't go. that would be playing into his hands, wouldn't it? and we need people with a sense of humour here, heaven knows!
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AAfrequentflyer called me a moron a few days ago. There's no point in letting the bullies win.
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