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May 10th, 2015, 01:59 AM
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<i>pointing out the huge achievements of Mrs Thatcher</i>
Putting the unemployed onto sickness benefits so they didn't appear on unemployment figures
Defence cuts which led to Galtieri thinking he could win a Falklands War - and if he'd delayed a year he would have won.
Conversion of member owned organisations into foreign owned companies
Wasting the money raised from privatisation, North Sea oil and gas - anyone care to explain where it all went?
Making London into the world's centre for financial corruption
Covering up child rape by politicians
Putting the unemployed onto sickness benefits so they didn't appear on unemployment figures
Defence cuts which led to Galtieri thinking he could win a Falklands War - and if he'd delayed a year he would have won.
Conversion of member owned organisations into foreign owned companies
Wasting the money raised from privatisation, North Sea oil and gas - anyone care to explain where it all went?
Making London into the world's centre for financial corruption
Covering up child rape by politicians
May 10th, 2015, 02:52 AM
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-tell-you.html
This is interesting. I wonder how many in each country are working or retired
This is interesting. I wonder how many in each country are working or retired
May 10th, 2015, 03:24 AM
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I'd follow flanner's Economist link for the most perceptive of reports.
The tricky bit about UKIP is splitting the anti-Europe thing away from the little-Englander thing and the barking-racist thing. I still laugh myself to sleep with dear Victoria's quote aboutwhat to do when the renewable energy runs out
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...nergy-runs-out
bless.....
Onwards and upwards
The tricky bit about UKIP is splitting the anti-Europe thing away from the little-Englander thing and the barking-racist thing. I still laugh myself to sleep with dear Victoria's quote aboutwhat to do when the renewable energy runs out
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...nergy-runs-out
bless.....
Onwards and upwards
May 10th, 2015, 04:46 AM
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"free health care when visiting an EU country,"
I've known 4 people in the past 2 years that have had to be admitted to hospital in Spain, on only one occasion was their E.H.I.C card looked at (even though it was offered every time), all they were interested was the patients travel insurance policy or credit card details and these weren't private hospitals. Only one of the patients got nearly all their money back, the other's were well out of pocket.
I've known 4 people in the past 2 years that have had to be admitted to hospital in Spain, on only one occasion was their E.H.I.C card looked at (even though it was offered every time), all they were interested was the patients travel insurance policy or credit card details and these weren't private hospitals. Only one of the patients got nearly all their money back, the other's were well out of pocket.
May 10th, 2015, 05:00 AM
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As a non-UKer, I think dropping out of the EU would be a disaster and Cameron knows it. It will be interesting to see him deal with the far right members of his party on this and other topics.
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May 10th, 2015, 05:13 AM
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"Surely the swing to the SNP was more than that.
You are right, 3.1% nationally but 30% in Scotland"
How can you talk about a national swing when they only fielded candidates in Scotland?
Will the expats living in Europe get a vote on the refeendum? (I'm an expat living in the US and I won't, but I've been here a while.)
You are right, 3.1% nationally but 30% in Scotland"
How can you talk about a national swing when they only fielded candidates in Scotland?
Will the expats living in Europe get a vote on the refeendum? (I'm an expat living in the US and I won't, but I've been here a while.)
May 10th, 2015, 06:41 AM
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Several of us commit the ultimate crime (in left-leaning fascists' eyes) of pointing out the huge achievements of Mrs Thatcher.>
Well ferretred out the one unrepetent money grabbing for the upper classes Tory by that statement - huge achievements means putting more wealth in the hands of a few - like flanner livingin his gated estate in the hotty-totty Cotswold Hills.
Well ferretred out the one unrepetent money grabbing for the upper classes Tory by that statement - huge achievements means putting more wealth in the hands of a few - like flanner livingin his gated estate in the hotty-totty Cotswold Hills.
May 10th, 2015, 07:57 AM
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Several of us commit the ultimate crime (in left-leaning fascists' eyes) of pointing out the huge achievements of Mrs Thatcher.>
So if you are left-leaning you're a fascist? Sums up flanneur's views and politics where business is the number one thing always - huge achievements of Maggie Thatcher - who except for Richard Nixon the person in politics in my lifetime in so-called western democracies that I and many Brits too I think totally despise.
And yes reflecting on Brit Fodorites many may not be Thatherite conservatives like flanneur but more let's say the Liberal Democrat - half way stuff but few are I'd wager new old Labour types like Ed Miliband tried to put back in power.
I'd like to see the UK get out of the EU - would serve folks like flanneur and his Maggie Thatcher worship right - that would be bad for business of course which is what flanneur and Maggie think should be preeminent it seems.
So if you are left-leaning you're a fascist? Sums up flanneur's views and politics where business is the number one thing always - huge achievements of Maggie Thatcher - who except for Richard Nixon the person in politics in my lifetime in so-called western democracies that I and many Brits too I think totally despise.
And yes reflecting on Brit Fodorites many may not be Thatherite conservatives like flanneur but more let's say the Liberal Democrat - half way stuff but few are I'd wager new old Labour types like Ed Miliband tried to put back in power.
I'd like to see the UK get out of the EU - would serve folks like flanneur and his Maggie Thatcher worship right - that would be bad for business of course which is what flanneur and Maggie think should be preeminent it seems.
May 10th, 2015, 11:19 AM
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No, I think our duty is to stay in Europe, they need us.>
Though knowing good ole bilbo that is probably said tongue in cheek I'm sure many Brits think that to be the truth - Britain propping up Europe - well Germany is propping up Europe not the U.K. The U.K. is propping up Scotland and Northern Ireland and that was one reason Independence vote failed - to much gravy to be lost in Scotland.
But twill be interesting if Scotland break the chains on English homogeny and goes into the Euro as a sovereign country - it could be fortress Europe all around the little ole rump state of the U.K.
Yes once again the hackneyed and perhaps not true headline a British paper was said to have blared out one day long ago when Channel ports were closed due to dense fog - "Fog Shuts Channel Ports - Continent Isolated.
Well out of the E U will have one plus - fish and chips in proper newspaper wrappings perhaps - if there are printed papers to wrap them in!
Though knowing good ole bilbo that is probably said tongue in cheek I'm sure many Brits think that to be the truth - Britain propping up Europe - well Germany is propping up Europe not the U.K. The U.K. is propping up Scotland and Northern Ireland and that was one reason Independence vote failed - to much gravy to be lost in Scotland.
But twill be interesting if Scotland break the chains on English homogeny and goes into the Euro as a sovereign country - it could be fortress Europe all around the little ole rump state of the U.K.
Yes once again the hackneyed and perhaps not true headline a British paper was said to have blared out one day long ago when Channel ports were closed due to dense fog - "Fog Shuts Channel Ports - Continent Isolated.
Well out of the E U will have one plus - fish and chips in proper newspaper wrappings perhaps - if there are printed papers to wrap them in!
May 10th, 2015, 11:30 AM
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"I'm sure many Brits think that to be the truth - Britain propping up Europe - well Germany is propping up Europe not the U.K. The U.K. is propping up Scotland and Northern Ireland and that was one reason Independence vote failed - to much gravy to be lost in Scotland."
Talk about stating the obvious, of course we know Germany is propping up the EURO and they're welcome to it. That's what happens when you want to be masters of the universe.
Talk about stating the obvious, of course we know Germany is propping up the EURO and they're welcome to it. That's what happens when you want to be masters of the universe.
May 10th, 2015, 11:57 AM
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so why is Britain the only major Europea economy not to embrace the Euro? Just curious not going to attack or anything - just why - more control over your own economy - well that would benefit France or even Germany and especially Greece and Spain but the whole idea of a Europe United in name and fact seems should be the goal even if some have to sacrifice.
Either that or break all the bonds that tie.
Either that or break all the bonds that tie.
May 10th, 2015, 12:14 PM
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Because the Euro is a basket case at the moment, I got 1.37 Euros to the pound the other week, the highest I've ever seen it, probably got Greece to thank for that. There was lot of politicians some years ago that were pushing for the UK to adopt the Euro, they all seem to have gone very quiet over the past few years, BTW there are another 9 European states that are not in the Euro.
May 10th, 2015, 10:54 PM
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<i>"so why is Britain the only major Europea economy not to embrace the Euro?"</i>
1. Because Britain the only major European economy where jobs are being created? Over the past five years: more than in all the rest of Europe combined.
2.Only? Switzerland? Norway? Sweden? Does Greece count more than Europe's other grownup countries staying well clear of the economy-destroying euro madness?
<i> "So if you are left-leaning you're a fascist?</i>
Absolutely not. But if you're a foreigner describing the democratic decision of ANY other country (voting right, left or for little green men) as something that "sucks", that's exactly what you are.
If you're a foreigner from a country with a government like America's, reacting like that to the victory of as party that's infinitely more progressive on everything that counts than Obama, you're not just a democracy-despising intolerant: you're also clearly just politically ignorant.
On EVERY current issue, Cameron is lightyears more progressive than the autocue-dependent snob currently mismanaging the US. From climate change, through gay marriage to healthcare he exposes Obama as an empty suit.
True, America's other pseudo-liberals - tolerating union abuses, trade barriers on products from poor countries, legal bars on public health systems negotiating low prices from profiteering drug companies, and derisory levels of overseas development assistance - are also well to the right of Cameron.
But that's no excuse for supporting their anti-poor orthodoxies while decrying serious progressive politicians.
1. Because Britain the only major European economy where jobs are being created? Over the past five years: more than in all the rest of Europe combined.
2.Only? Switzerland? Norway? Sweden? Does Greece count more than Europe's other grownup countries staying well clear of the economy-destroying euro madness?
<i> "So if you are left-leaning you're a fascist?</i>
Absolutely not. But if you're a foreigner describing the democratic decision of ANY other country (voting right, left or for little green men) as something that "sucks", that's exactly what you are.
If you're a foreigner from a country with a government like America's, reacting like that to the victory of as party that's infinitely more progressive on everything that counts than Obama, you're not just a democracy-despising intolerant: you're also clearly just politically ignorant.
On EVERY current issue, Cameron is lightyears more progressive than the autocue-dependent snob currently mismanaging the US. From climate change, through gay marriage to healthcare he exposes Obama as an empty suit.
True, America's other pseudo-liberals - tolerating union abuses, trade barriers on products from poor countries, legal bars on public health systems negotiating low prices from profiteering drug companies, and derisory levels of overseas development assistance - are also well to the right of Cameron.
But that's no excuse for supporting their anti-poor orthodoxies while decrying serious progressive politicians.
May 10th, 2015, 11:55 PM
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No tongue on this.
I don't see it as financial support, I see it as more emotional and political support (after all we have a history of acting as a aircraft carrier of freedom during times of stress on the continent, hope you get the allusions here).
Before the evil Tony Blair came along you could not progress within the UK civil service beyond a certain point unless you had "done time" in Brussels and for that you needed a minimum of 2 european language. The result was there were more UK civil servants there than now.
William Hague (a friend) failed to change that back, but probably lacked the money to do it.
The continent needs us.
The Euro is a different matter, at the time I said "shackling a donkey to a bulldozer was going to hurt the donkey", too many countries were allowed to fudge the rules on the Euro for political reasons and we see the results now.
I don't see it as financial support, I see it as more emotional and political support (after all we have a history of acting as a aircraft carrier of freedom during times of stress on the continent, hope you get the allusions here).
Before the evil Tony Blair came along you could not progress within the UK civil service beyond a certain point unless you had "done time" in Brussels and for that you needed a minimum of 2 european language. The result was there were more UK civil servants there than now.
William Hague (a friend) failed to change that back, but probably lacked the money to do it.
The continent needs us.
The Euro is a different matter, at the time I said "shackling a donkey to a bulldozer was going to hurt the donkey", too many countries were allowed to fudge the rules on the Euro for political reasons and we see the results now.
May 11th, 2015, 12:16 AM
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"Well ferretred out the one unrepetent money grabbing for the upper classes Tory by that statement - huge achievements means putting more wealth in the hands of a few - like flanner livingin his gated estate in the hotty-totty Cotswold Hills."
I can't understand a word of this.
But only an intolerant American could describe the democratic decision of the English as "money grabbing for the upper classes Tory"
Cameron is in Downing Street because more people in Britain want him there than want a union-dependent Miliband. We've lived through such governments before - and if we got one again, we'd be back to the mess we were in the last time we elected a Labour party that wasn't led by Blair. That was 1976.
Incidentally, what IS a "gated community"? I've never seen one.
I've seen the gated communities Americans expect their Presidents to live in: at Camp David and Washington, securely locked away from any contact with the oppressed masses who pay for them.
How very different from the pleasant (ungated) cottage my neighbour the Prime Minister lives in. Or the open footpaths right in front of his official country house a few miles away.
You have to be an allegedly "progressive" American hypocrite to accept the seclusion from voters Obama, Gore and the two Clintons expect as their entitlement.
I can't understand a word of this.
But only an intolerant American could describe the democratic decision of the English as "money grabbing for the upper classes Tory"
Cameron is in Downing Street because more people in Britain want him there than want a union-dependent Miliband. We've lived through such governments before - and if we got one again, we'd be back to the mess we were in the last time we elected a Labour party that wasn't led by Blair. That was 1976.
Incidentally, what IS a "gated community"? I've never seen one.
I've seen the gated communities Americans expect their Presidents to live in: at Camp David and Washington, securely locked away from any contact with the oppressed masses who pay for them.
How very different from the pleasant (ungated) cottage my neighbour the Prime Minister lives in. Or the open footpaths right in front of his official country house a few miles away.
You have to be an allegedly "progressive" American hypocrite to accept the seclusion from voters Obama, Gore and the two Clintons expect as their entitlement.
May 11th, 2015, 12:58 AM
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I'm no fan of either gentleman. However, Putin made a state visit and drove through the streets of London with the Queen in an open carriage.
Bush drove in what was essentially a bombproof tank. Quite a contrast.
Bush drove in what was essentially a bombproof tank. Quite a contrast.
